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If you ask me, EU plus the other Scaninavian countries Norway, Sweden and Finland should invest in the bridge as well as the Danish state. These are the countries that will benefit most of a bridge, no doubt about it. After the Fehmarn bridge, a train tunnel plus a motorway dito between Elsinore and Helsingborg should be constructed to ease up the traffic to and from Scandinavia.

A bridge between Jutland and Zeeland however, perhaps somewhere some other time in future... They should spend that money on upgrading the rather stagnant Danish railway network if you ask me.
 

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If you ask me, EU plus the other Scaninavian countries Norway, Sweden and Finland should invest in the bridge as well as the Danish state. These are the countries that will benefit most of a bridge, no doubt about it. After the Fehmarn bridge, a train tunnel plus a motorway dito between Elsinore and Helsingborg should be constructed to ease up the traffic to and from Scandinavia.

A bridge between Jutland and Zeeland however, perhaps somewhere some other time in future... They should spend that money on upgrading the rather stagnant Danish railway network if you ask me.
And on that note, the Meglev debate is also starting to become more frequent here in Denmark. the Danish leg of the Schiller Institut wants to build a maglev track on the same rute as a possible kalunborg-samsø-århus bridge, making the trip from Copenhagen Central Station to Århus ditto a mere 25 minutes. They expect the price to be about 40 billion dkr, and to include both a tunnel to Samsø and a bridge from Samsø to How just south of Århus. They expect the route too be possible to build, with stations at around every 10 minutes, without it slowing down the speed to much, and suggests stops in Høje taastrup, Roskilde, Holbæk, Kalunborg, Samsø, Århus, Brabrand, Mundelstrup, Hadsten, Randers, Hobro, Aalborg. With all the stops the trip to Aalborg would take 1 hour 31 minutes. The direct line would take you from Copenhagen to Arhus in 25 minutes and to Aalborg in 43 minutes...

I dont think I can underline how cool this would be, or how much time you could save here...

The article in Danish and a sugested time sceduel for the train.

Tog fra Århus til København: 25 minutter

Gør som i Shanghai og byg et magnettog fra Århus til København, lyder et nyt forslag.

Det kunne lyde som en fantasihistorie, men er det ikke:

I Shanghai har man taget springet og investeret i et ekstremt hurtigt magnettog med en tophastighed i den daglige drift på 431 km/t.

Sådan et tog bør vi også investere i i Danmark, mener den politiske forening, Schiller Instituttet, der har afdelinger i hele verden, også i Danmark. Den danske formand, Tom Gillesberg, siger:

"Vi mener, at man seriøst bør overveje et magnettog fra Århus til København. Det er ganske vist en meget stor investering i infrastruktur, men vil til gengæld give os et trafikalt kvantespring ind i fremtiden."

Magnettog via Samsø

I Shanghai tager det 7 minutter og 20 sekunder at rejse de 30 kilometer ud til byens lufthavn.

Med et magnettog via Samsø, Kalundborg og Roskilde, ville rejsen fra Århus til København tage 25 minutter, har Schiller Instituttet regnet sig frem til.

Ifølge Tom Gillesberg vil det koste omkring 40 mia. kr. at bygge en magnetbane over Kattegat. Han forestiller sig en 21 kilometer lang tunnel fra Røsnæs lige nord for Kalundborg til Grydenæs Odde på Samsø og videre via en 25 kilometer lang lavbro til Hov sydøst for Odder.

"Hvis man virkelig vil tænke nyt, vælger man over de næste 25 år vælger at bygge et net af maglev magnettog i hele Danmark. Sådan et net med 635 kilometer vil koste omkring 150 mia. kr. at bygge. Det vil gøre Holbæk og Kalundborg til forstæder til København og for alvor flytte transport fra landvejen og over på skinnerne," siger Tom Gillesberg.

Han mener sagtens, man kan lave fem- eller ti minutters drift på sådan en bane, ligesom han forestiller sig, at man f.eks. kan bygge en station på bl.a. Samsø. Rejsetid København-Samsø: 42 minutter.

Instituttet har allerede lavet et forslag til en køreplan, der desuden viser, at det ville tage 43 minutter at rejse fra København til Aalborg.

Forslaget kommer, efter at trafikforsker Uffe Jacobsen i Morgenavisen Jyllands-Posten har foreslået at bygge en ny bro mellem Kalundborg og Jylland via Samsø. Et forslag som i dag har fået SF til at foreslå at droppe både Femerbroen og den nye bro via Samsø for i stedet at satse på højhastighedstog i lighed med, hvad man har i Spanien, Tyskland og Frankrig.



Edit - An extra picture from their website on how they suggest the line to go, and what other meglew lines they also suggest, one connected with the femeren bridge.



 

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When you think about it - Denmark is actually a perfect country for a Maglev network. :)
How come? Density is low and you need to build expensive bridges. What's perfect about that?

No this idea is insane. Maglev is too expensive even for Japan and the line in Shanghai was heavily subsidized as far as I remember, and it was a big gimmick anyhow. Building a normal high speed railway makes more sense but even that is a hard sell considering the extremely low density in Denmark. You need dense cities of a couple million as a minimum and a travel time around 2-3 hours for it to be perfect.
 

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^^

I think that's possible, via Åland. But then again, if you would even propose a bridge or a tunnel via the Swedish & Finnish Archipelagoes you would most likely only get shot by some group of activists :D

BUt of course it would be orgastic to have a straight line from STHLM to HKI ;)
 

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Tog fra Århus til København: 25 minutter

Gør som i Shanghai og byg et magnettog fra Århus til København, lyder et nyt forslag.
HOLY FRIGGIN SANTA SHIT!!!! That would be so awesome!

I would be able to go to Århus as fast as home from work :lol:

Crazy world... but it would be so good for Denmark bringing us all together, making working location and living location optional...


Unfortunatly it's one of those things that makes too much sense and would be too awesome - so I doubt it'll ever come true! :(
 

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^Because the cost has nothing to do with it... ;)

Maglev is still way to expensive to ba a real option if you already have a rail infrastructure (since maglev means starting from scratch).
 

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^Because the cost has nothing to do with it... ;)

Maglev is still way to expensive to ba a real option if you already have a rail infrastructure (since maglev means starting from scratch).
We are only talking about 200km's here... ( 100 on land, 100 over water )...

Sure it'll be hella expensive but the opotunities is so crazy it'll be worth every penny imo...

The thought of the entire mainland being available in under 1.5 hours is crazy...

And one could go shopping in Århus and back in under 2h :lol:


I btw had family on Samsø ( the small island in the middle of where the bridge will be ) and spend most of my childhood there ( vacations )... it would be awesome to be able to go there in 20min lol ( today it takes almost 5h )


Man, screw the Femern I want THIS to happen ASAP!:banana:
 

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^^I totally agree. I would much rather see this happen, though I doubt it will. I think it would be good for the whole country and financially better then a femeren bridge. Not to mention great for turism or dreams of an olympic game or a football eurocup. Suddenly the whole country becomes as one...
 

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Yeah, and then we could just include Århus and Aalborg as suburbs of Copenhagen and finally end that battle with Stockholm over which is the biggest city :lol:

On a serious note, though. That would be ... fantastically awesome! Actually, when those people suggested the bridge to Århus I was against it, thinking it would be better to build a rail tunnel instead. But maglev, wow! Best idea ever :happy: It's extremely expensive, though
 

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Banverket prioriterar hårt i reviderad långtidsplanering

2007-04-02

I dag skickar Banverket ut den reviderade banhållningsplanen (Framtidsplanen) på remiss. Den ökade efterfrågan av järnvägstransporter och de högre kostnaderna för investeringar innebär hårda prioriteringar. Av en total ram på 108,8 miljarder återstår cirka 30 miljarder till start av nya projekt.

Idag transporteras mer gods och fler människor på järnväg är någonsin tidigare. Det är mycket glädjande, men det medför samtidigt stora problem med punktligheten på grund av trängsel på spåren. Väl fungerande arbetspendling är viktigt för många människor och industrin är beroende av säkra leveranser.

-Pengarna räcker inte till allt och vi måste lägga resurserna där de gör störst nytta. Vår första prioritet är att pågående projekt fullföljs. Därutöver prioriterar vi satsningar på ökad kapacitet och kvalitet på de delar av nätet där trafikvolymerna är stora, som strategiska godsstråk samt i regioner med tät persontrafik. Arbetet fortsätter därför med att förbättra situationen i storstäderna, främst i Stockholm/Mälardalen, säger Banverkets generaldirektör Per-Olof Granbom.

Banverket kan konstatera att regeringens uppdrag i princip innebär oförändrade planeringsramar med en liten uppräkning på cirka en procent till dagens prisnivå. Samtidigt har de faktiska priserna för entreprenader och material ökat med 17 procent. En annan orsak till de fördyrade projekten är att i arbetet med den nuvarande banhållningsplanen beräknades många projekt i mycket tidiga skeden av planeringen, vilket i vissa fall medfört att kostnaderna underskattats.

-Vårt förslag bygger på omfattande kontakter med många berörda kunder och förtroendevalda. Vi hoppas att förslaget, trots att vi tvingats till många svåra bortprioriteringar, speglar de investeringar som under den här perioden bidrar allra bäst till samhällsutvecklingen. Det är också viktigt att komma ihåg att för de objekt som nu senareläggs kommer en ny planering för 2010-2019 att genomföras med början under nästa år, säger Banverkets generaldirektör Per-Olof Granbom.

Både Banverket och Vägverket skickar nu förslag till reviderade planer för investeringar i järnväg och vägar på remiss. Remisstiden sträcker sig från den 2 april till den 18 maj 2007.

Source: http://www.banverket.se/templates/Pressmeddelande____14685.asp


http://www.banverket.se/upload/7197/Objektslista_slutlig.pdf
 

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Yeah! Let's build Maglev!

It would be cool if we would build a maglev bridge between Helsingör and Helsingborg and then have the maglev go all the way up to Gothenburg. I guess the travel time between Gothenburg and Copenhagen would be something like 1,5h? That would be awsome (And extremly expensive).
Unfortunately it's just silly dreaming, it won't happen. Maglev in Sweden is just as probable as the moon falling down or somthing. :bash:
 

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Inga nya järnvägar inom tio år

Abstract: No new railways in Sweden within 10 years more. The Swedish Railways' budget doesn't allow any new investments in railways for the coming 10 years. Green party says that the new swedish government doesn't take its responsibility towards the environment. Which is true what they say.

Banverkets budget tillåter inga nya satsningar på järnvägar under den kommande tioårsperioden.

Flera av de förslag på nya järnvägar och ombyggnationer som tidigare har tagits fram läggs ner eller skjuts på framtiden, skriver stockholmsfria.nu.

– Regeringen tar inte sitt miljöansvar. Om de menade allvar med klimatfrågan skulle de minska motorvägsbyggen och satsa på järnvägar istället, säger Karin Svensson Smith (mp)

Source: http://www.aftonbladet.se/vss/telegram/0,1082,69399206_852__,00.html
 

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^I don't find it strange at all. This is a right-wing goverment, and thus interested in promoting an auto-centric society, not in improving mass-transit. just look at how they tried to scrap the commuter-train tunnel under Stockholm in favour of a more expensive motor-way ½ringroad waaaay out in the suburbs that would have improved traffic/commuting in/to/from inner Stockholm not in the least. The surrounding counties have had to pledge money for it to get built!!!
/that's how it goes these days.
 
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