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^^ Kenya has its challenges, ill be the first to admit that but is far from being the sick man of eastern Africa as you obviously seem to wish << that's extreme hyperbole on your part and a sensible person would willingly admit that instead of typing up an essay.

You could type a whole day and inject as much conjecture as you please but that's an exercise in futility.

I'm not even going to waste my time arguing about Kenya's position as the most dynamic and largest economy among the countries you mentioned or the country with the highest HDI, GDP per capita and just about every other indice out there...........because I know your the same guy who not long ago said you're moving to Somalia or Rwanda(can't remember which) because Kenya is a failed state.
 

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^^ Kenya has its challenges but is far from being the sick man of eastern Africa as you obviously seem to wish.

You could type a whole day and inject as much conjecture as you please but that's an exercise in futility.

I'm not even going to waste my time arguing about Kenya's position as the most dynamic and largest economy among the countries you mentioned or the country with the highest HDI, GDP per capita and just about every other indice out there...........because I know your the same guy who not long ago said you're moving to Somalia or Rwanda(can't remember which) because Kenya is a failed state.
Suit yourself, son
 

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I agree with yungin Kenya is very far from being the "sick man of Eastern Africa"

Even if it were so, it is ur duty as a Kenyan to not say stuff like that, its bad for morale and bad for the country for us to be the ones trying to take it down.
 

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^^ It's a political thing, that's what i figured. How do you explain criticism based on NO facts..If someone had bothered to read and understand the cable system is a PPP initiative, where a private investor chooses where/what to invest in and at the same time recoup his investment at the the shortest time possible, then you learn to ignore some of this "kenya is the sick man of eastern Africa" kinda statements..(Like burundi is better:eek:hno:)
 

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A country that has been peaceful for over 50 years can only manage a paltry 2,100 MW. Why?
Kenya had an installed capacity of 1050 MW in 2010. That has since doubled to 2100 MW. By what standards is 100% growth in 5 years "paltry"?

I have an interest in flower exports from Kenya, and I will tell you a secret: flower exporters are leaving the country because of expensive power (generated from the same thermal IPPs).
Your "secret" has been loudly touted by flower producers for more than a decade and a half.

In 2000, Kenya's flower exports were worth KES 8.35 bn, though, and by 2014, that figure had risen to KES 54.46 bn. There is a discrepancy between the real world and your statements, so you might want to get your facts straight.

The country is failing.
If believing that somehow makes you feel better, then by all means, keep on believing it..
 

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You can't please everybody, folks. I am sure our brother Arezdu has very solid reasons as to why he has completely refused to invest in the "collapsing" flower industry in Kenya, and this is well within his democratic right. Yes, it's an "open secret" that flower farmers are bolting, our power generation is 'paltry', the socialist dictatorship in landlocked Ethiopia is doing 'better' things like building a city tram and a 'cheaper' (despite vast differences in terrain, logistics etc ) SGR, the list is endless....

Who are we to stop him from packing his bags and moving to seek out dazzling flower farm prospects in the second poorest country in the world, given the "sick man of East Africa" is too much of a hostile territory for his tastes :colgate: ?
 

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You people have really trolled arzedu
 
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You people have really trolled arzedu
Never mind, my brother. I have a skin nearly as thick as that of a rhinoceros. [That is why you will never see me edit my posts. I have only ONE mind.] I enjoy brickbats now and then.

The point is, only one of the "respondents" seem to have understood what I meant by "sick man." This is the term that was originally reserved for Turkey, and meant to convey this message: "the country is under-performing."

No doubt at all in my mind that Kenya is under-performing because of an avaricious leadership that sucks the blood out of its people. I get no pleasure in lampooning my own country (for this is where I was born and bred, despite perceptions to the contrary). My angst is with the sheer levels of corruption that have pulled (and are pulling) this country into a dark abyss.

Policemen have been given leave to fleece motorists (who in turn do everything that civilised societies shouldn't, like overlapping, etc). This is the first thing visitors to Kenya notice. These visitors include bringers of the all important FDI inflows, investors. Rule of law is absent in Kenya.

I have lived (and worked) in Ethiopia before (it is one of the 14 African countries that I have visited and worked), and I survived.

About my writing a [whole, rambling] essay in my rebuttals. It is my style, for I am a lecturer too. :)

Cheers, mates.
 

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You can't please everybody, folks. I am sure our brother Arezdu has very solid reasons as to why he has completely refused to invest in the "collapsing" flower industry in Kenya, and this is well within his democratic right. Yes, it's an "open secret" that flower farmers are bolting, our power generation is 'paltry', the socialist dictatorship in landlocked Ethiopia is doing 'better' things like building a city tram and a 'cheaper' (despite vast differences in terrain, logistics etc ) SGR, the list is endless....

Who are we to stop him from packing his bags and moving to seek out dazzling flower farm prospects in the second poorest country in the world, given the "sick man of East Africa" is too much of a hostile territory for his tastes :colgate: ?
We used to command 70% of the cut flower market in Europe, and earn slightly over $1 billion in the years yonder.

"The KNBS data shows that horticultural exports dropped 7.2 per cent from Sh89.9 billion in 2012 to Sh83.4 billion last year in line with a declining trend that started in 2011." Then down to KES 60 billion last year. More here.

The main sticking point is expensive thermal power to run the packing houses and the greenhouses. Kenya has spent nearly KES 100 billion on geothermal electricity alone, but the output is not commensurate with this gargantuan investment. Why? Drilling rigs, and the way we have rigged the prices of equipment.
 

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Lol...........one has to feel for Arzedu. The frustrations of being a Kenyan can send one to an early grave lol. Seems like everything is mismanaged - from the roads to the offices to the ground and to the biggest culprits, the politicians. Lol.

Kenya is one country with the most industrious people and capability of easily reaching the developed status but it seems the people running this country just don't want that to happen because they are ripping big from the country's underdevelopment. I wouldn't be surprised if the only reason we can't have an LTR is the fact that many politicians have invested heavily in the Matatut business.

However it is unfair to label Kenyan the sick man of East Africa, in fact other than Rwanda all the rest are under-performing more than Kenya. Just because they lack freedom of press for instance doesn't mean Ethiopia's government is not doing anything dirty in there otherwise we wouldn't be receiving all these refugees from a country that is supposedly more stable than ours. Tanzania on the other hand is the worst underperformer IMO...........look, this country has more resources than the rest of us combined. A mere point ahead in terms of growth rate doesn't justify that.

All in all we should also stop being too hard on ourselves, we can't lead in everything. Ethiopia's LTR and energy projects are commendable but Kenya beats Ethiopia in many other things remember.
 

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Kenya is under performing. Systemic corruption and wastage remains a major impediment. Kenya collects as much revenue per annum as Ethiopia and Tanzania combined but you cant see that difference in the level of infrastructure investment.

However, Kenya's faster growing neighbors are starting from a significantly lower base on many fronts including infrastructure, manufacturing etc. Also, Kenya may be struggling when it comes to GDP growth but is not doing too badly on other indicators such as household consumption.
 

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I think this explains everything

I am a lecturer too. :)
Ah, this explains everything, now. Ivory tower punditry.
Those who can, do, those who can't, teach. In 14 countries around Africa. With "one mind" :colgate:

I'm ribbing you, brother. What country in the world is over-performing by the way?
 

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We used to command 70% of the cut flower market in Europe, and earn slightly over $1 billion in the years yonder.

"The KNBS data shows that horticultural exports dropped 7.2 per cent from Sh89.9 billion in 2012 to Sh83.4 billion last year in line with a declining trend that started in 2011." Then down to KES 60 billion last year. More here.

The main sticking point is expensive thermal power to run the packing houses and the greenhouses. Kenya has spent nearly KES 100 billion on geothermal electricity alone, but the output is not commensurate with this gargantuan investment. Why? Drilling rigs, and the way we have rigged the prices of equipment.
I have no dog in this fight, but it is evident that you vision is grounded in alternate reality. It is surprising to see someone rubbishing geothermal energy, a resource that gives Kenya real competitive advantage!

The reported long term economic indicators are in Kenya's favor. Your sophomoric spin of the facts is both offensive and illogical. One can hail the development of Kenya's mobile IT industry, financial services and retail sectors to counter your cries for the flower industry. The lesson here is that context and an inclusive analysis of the facts is necessary...

As for Ethiopia, do not let their shiny light rail system cloudy your view. The facts on the ground & the legions of economic and political refugees streaming from that country is evidence enough of the structural failures of authoritarian states.

You remind me of republicans who rubbish everything dems do.
 

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I agree with arzedu on some points. On corruption, yes it massively drains on the country's resources and demoralises the populace. That we need to massively work on. On underperformance, that's true. But what African country doesn't? Ethiopia you mentioned has more energy than Kenya but are they using that energy? Kenya currently is over producing. If we had 5000mw right now what would we use with that power. Installed capacity is under 2000 mw. Nigeria did not have 24hr access to energy, maybe they still don't have, but that hasn't stopped their growth. Yes they have oil but so does Ghana, Chad and many other countries yet that isn't the catalyst for greatness. Nigeria mainly uses diesel generators at home yet they don't use that as an excuse not to grow. They also have the same level of corruption as Kenya if not more but they still lead the continent in gdp. Let us use what we have as a growth pivot. If that is tourism or agriculture let it be. We shouldn't whine about the little we have but use it to our advantage. Let's eliminate corruption and work to make Kenya great. Remember that Rwanda does not have massive mineral resources nor does it have oil. It imports energy but is still one of the best performing countries
 

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Haile Selassie Avenue (Nairobi)





Jomo Kenyatta Avenue (Addis)



 
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^^ Behaving like a 5 year old who has seen his friends shiny new toy and goes on a hunger strike. This cable car system, the subject of the thread, is one among very many solutions that will benefit your cities.

Instead of throwing tantrums, swearing never to invest in the flower industry—like Azedu did—& rubbishing your country because Ethiopia has a shiny new light rail system, propose creative solutions and play an active role in making your situation better.

Very soon, your big railway project will be ready, don't cry.
 
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