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M20 - this is vital.
I'd suggest also maybe dualling Tuam to Sligo and then try and get it up to Letterkenny but I'd say this is a pipe dream.
Maybe light rail for Cork.
I wonder if even planning the widening of the entire motorway network to 3 lanes would be a good option?
 

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I know it won't happen but the Outer Orbital Motorway for Dublin is needed to bypass the M50. Would also open up vast swathes of Kildare and Meath for housing. If this was complemented by DU,MN and improved commuter rail services then Dublin may finally being to match European standards for transport.
 

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I know it won't happen but the Outer Orbital Motorway for Dublin is needed to bypass the M50. Would also open up vast swathes of Kildare and Meath for housing. If this was complemented by DU,MN and improved commuter rail services then Dublin may finally being to match European standards for transport.
Do we really want more housing in Kildare and Meath? Maybe sort out the planning laws and build proper high density (high rise) housing along with MN and DU and get more people living in Dublin.

Building the M20 and sorting Corks infrastructure deficit needs to be done too to try to create an alternative to Dublin along the M18-M20 corridor.
 

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Do we really want more housing in Kildare and Meath? Maybe sort out the planning laws and build proper high density (high rise) housing along with MN and DU and get more people living in Dublin.

Building the M20 and sorting Corks infrastructure deficit needs to be done too to try to create an alternative to Dublin along the M18-M20 corridor.
Yes we do want more housing in Kildare and Meath, because families with kids will want suburban living and it's not really possibly to provide that affordably in Dublin anymore. By all means increase the density of Dublin, we'll have to do both. Fully agree with the M20 and infrastructure in Cork but again it's not an either/or choice...the population is increasing so rapidly we'll need infrastructure and housing everywhere.
 

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They've already outlined some major commitments;

The plan, which was discussed by Ministers at a special Cabinet meeting on Monday night and is being finalised in the coming weeks, will feature new and existing commitments, including the Cork-Limerick motorway, a second runway at Dublin Airport, expansion to the Dart rail system in Dublin, a schools building programme, a garda ICT system and a rural regeneration fund.
Nothing definite in regard to DU and MN though.

Government sources acknowledge that the plans will prioritise the development of cities outside Dublin, but stress there will be a “strong regional element” also. “The whole point is to move growth away from Dublin,” said one high-ranking source.
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If that's the thinking then I don't see Dublin securing both DU and MN, never mind talk of things like an outer orbital motorway.
 

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The new National Development Plan is to be announced soon and is said to contain big projects - DART Underground and Metro North among them.

Varadkar says he'll splash the cash on infrastructure.

The NDP will be announced in the coming weeks.

What do you want to see in there?
Means nothing without a definite commitment to start dates for M20, DU and MN.

If you don't get those this is merely more bullocks from the political system that specializes in bullocks :eek:hno:
 

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Nothing definite in regard to DU and MN though.
MN is certainly going to be included. I imagine they'll give a vaguer commitment to DU over the longer term, Donohoe previously said it was "over-engineered". Will have to wait and see but really if they had any sense it would be included. It's a no-brainer requirement for Dublin over the short, medium and long term.
 

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The Capital Plan will basically be a commitment of funding for projects for which funding was previously committed. There will be nothing new, just reannouncement of projects which have been previously flagged or progressing (very slowly) already. The likes of the M20, M28, Galway bypass, etc. Will be there.

DU certainly won't be happening any time soon but the plan will most likely include DART expansion to Balbriggan/Drogheda and/or Maynooth. Expansion to Maynooth is absolutely necessary to serve north Kildare and west Dublin, I don't really see the need for northern line expansion. Furthering the electrified network will reduce the cost of DU in the future as this was included in the original cost. KRP2 is another no-brainer imo.

Not a discussion for this thread but I don't understand why people always talk about an outer bypass. It would remove a small level of long distance traffic from the M50 but the traffic that causes the connection on the M50 is moving in and around Dublin and an outer bypass would do nothing to alleviate this.
 

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Har, har, hilarious. Any more mindless virtue signalling or straw men arguments from you? Moderator showing his bias by not deleting that off topic comment too.
I don't think it's "virtue signalling" at all, and certainly not a strawman argument as I didn't mean it to refer only to you (although, what are you so mad about? That you seem to hate poor people is more than borne out by your posts on here).

Simply this - the idea of an Outer Bypass motorway is rooted in a deeply selfish belief that the priority for expenditure on infrastructure in this country should be to service private motorists. That by itself is a routinely selfish mode of transportation. I don't think it's much of a stretch to suggest a good amount of the supporters of such an idea are supportive of other selfish political ideas.

Let's build public transport instead of building more roads, it's a pretty basic idea.
 
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