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I think it's unlikely this will remain a supertall, if it is even built at all. Nevertheless, we have another legitimate supertall proposal for downtown.

Another Tower Plan for the Seaport: 'There's Going to Be Fierce Opposition'





Hughes executives and architects from Skidmore, Owings & Merrill revealed their options for a soaring project at 250 Water Street, buildings that would many times exceed zoning limits in the South Street Seaport Historic District.

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Each project, which would include 200 below-market rate apartments, features a base about eight stories high meant to fit in with the low-rise neighborhood and, the developer hopes, convince the Landmarks Preservation Commission that the project is appropriate for the low-rise historic district.

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Hoping to pave a path forward, Hughes Corp. is promising an array of local improvements, including a new $50 million, 30,000-square-foot building for the South Street Seaport Museum at John and South Streets, and a $100 million, 75,000 square-foot building for an undetermined community use, at the site of the current New Market Building. Then there are the host of other possible local improvements, from an upgraded play street for the Peck Slip School to a community theater to a skate park.

“We have a rare opportunity to bring affordable housing to an area where it’s in short supply, secure the long-term future of the Seaport Museum, boost resiliency along the waterfront and provide public realm and infrastructure improvements across the historic neighborhood,” a Howard Hughes spokesman said

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In 2014, following an intense struggle with local opponents, Howard Hughes abandoned plans for what first had been a 650-foot, then a 495-foot-high tower on the site of the New Market Building, next to Pier 17 and just outside the historic district. The main lure to the community then, a promised 71,000-square-foot middle school at its base, could not win over opponents. Four years later the developer bought 250 Water Street for $180 million from Milstein Properties, a developer that had repeatedly failed over the years to win approvals for a tall building on the site. But its attempts led CB1 and others to fight a winning battle in 2003 to downzone the site to a maximum building height of 120 feet and thwart any future attempts for an out-of-scale project.
 

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This looks nice, hope it will be built. Also downzoning should NEVER be a thing (in fact it would be better if zoning was as minimal as possible).
 

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The 990 feet version looks like Trump Tower on 5th avenue and the 880 feet version like a mini 270 Park Avenue. Are these renderings to be taken seriously?
these are schemes drawn up by SOM, so yes. Just pay no attention to the facade, that can be inaccurate as these are not official renderings.
 

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There has been much speculation about whether the full-block development could reach supertall status with the transfer of 700,000 square feet in air rights, which would make it the tallest structure in Lower Manhattan, after One and Three World Trade Center, with diagrams indicating a total height just shy of 1,052 feet
Height bump too ;)

Title update?
 

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Good. The higher they propose it, the taller it will be when friends of the seaport, Margaret Chin, Gale Brewer et al inevitably suggest it be shortened. If it happens at all, that is.
 

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Wow, that is really striking. I assumed the brick would be featured heavily at the base as a way to integrate with the Seaport, but I didn't picture brick cladding all the way to the top. It will certainly stand out, but I appreciate the way it becomes less obtrusive as it rises -- the red becomes more muted; the balconies morph from full, to juliet, to nonexistent; and the crown tapers away elegantly -- so the overall effect isn't one giant crimson shaft.

Any idea if the crown tapers on both sides, or just the side facing the water?

Good. The higher they propose it, the taller it will be when friends of the seaport, Margaret Chin, Gale Brewer et al inevitably suggest it be shortened. If it happens at all, that is.
This project has been contentious from day one, so we should anticipate a battle. But this version seems really contextual at the base, especially compared to the other massings that were being considered, no? And the tower itself is set as far back as can be, and it's to the North so it's not going to cast shadows over the Seaport. SOM clearly took this challenge seriously. I guess the locals could try to argue that adding another 500-700 units will overcrowd the neighborhood -- laughable, given the proximity to eight subway lines and the East River Ferry, and arguably immoral, given the need for more housing -- but they won't have a leg to stand on if they claim this design adversely affects the physical character of the area.
 

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The YIMBY article has been updated with these statements from Hughes and SOM:

Statement from a Howard Hughes spokesperson:

“These renderings pulled from internal conceptual studies were leaked by a former SOM employee, are outdated and do not depict designs under consideration for 250 Water Street. As we recently outlined during our community stakeholder planning process, we are considering several configurations for a mixed-income project at 250 Water Street, and no designs have been finalized. As part of this transparent workshop process, we showed a range of several massing scenarios including a single point tower that would use all available air rights within the Seaport district. We continue to work with local elected officials and stakeholders as we explore configurations for this potential project and craft a comprehensive planning framework for the broader Seaport area.”

Statement from an SOM spokesperson:

“We believe that the images published today on New York YIMBY represent work samples that a former SOM employee sent out, without authorization, as part of his portfolio to demonstrate his individual effort on the project at 250 Water Street. They do not in any way represent the range of studies currently being undertaken by the firm for this project, nor do they illustrate our most current thinking. We regret that these images were taken out of context in this way and look forward to our continued study of this site, and to sharing designs at the appropriate time.”
So this may well not be the design they have in mind (alternatively, they could be covering their asses to avoid a backlash before they're prepared to deal with it.)
 

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we showed a range of several massing scenarios including a single point tower that would use all available air rights within the Seaport district.
I feel like this is the most important sentence, as this points out that this tower is basically the best case scenario, more likely than not the air rights will be distributed more and we end up with 2 or 3 or a bunch of smaller towers. I doubt we will see anything over 250m in the end.
 

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I'd be fine with the taller one around 200 meters, fits better in the skyline and doesn't obstruct the 1WTC.
Anyhow, I just hope it gets built in any form.
 
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