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This is a guess but the fact that they have put a lid on it at 10pm [when they could sell trebles til 3am without trying] makes me suspect there's been a fair few calls made, but don't worry, 3am will follow....

Now NCC are already running a fast track for street pavement applications
Pavement Cafes | Newcastle City Council

Now my reading is that the car park is not part of the licenced premises 'area', or rather not for serving and it's moot as to whether it's pavement, but this is Tokyo, the folks who managed to convince licencing that Tyne Bridge Tower will be an art gallery and exhibition area [not one assumes on the basis of their expertise in that trade], so:
  • They'll get the ok [on the basis that it's a prominent local business and the bonfire of regulations we're going to see]
  • They'll be trading before they get an OK
  • They'll ask for an extension in 6 months on the basis that no one has complained when it was shut at 10pm...
 

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But BTRBC, Sage and Baltic are on the South Bank of Newcastle, not Gateshead. You have to walk up the bank for true Gateshead. And, well, most of the spirit, energy and exuberance is on the breath of your average punter in the bookies, not lining the streets with entrepreneurial fancy.

Sorry to be taking lumps out of Gateshead again, but it's annoying when journo's talk bullshit with authority. Let's face it. The taxi from Central to Hillgate Quay won't give them anything of Gateshead to qualify any sort of judgment whatsover.

I wish what he was saying was true mind.
 

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A problem Newcastle has is that it’s one of the biggest nightlife cities in Europe. It is this because of the cheap drinks policy. It is virtually all that Newcastle offers. Our hospitality relies on it. Very few businesses have conferences here unless they are based here. There is no massive culture to bring people here.
Ok our culture is great when you get to know it, but our museums and such aren’t bringing people in. Our biggest non-drinking culture we have that brings people to the city is arguably NUFC, and that generally tends to attract young males who surprise surprise, want to have cheap drinks on away days.
Ok in recent years bringing people to SJP has improved with the rugby and to a lesser extent, a couple of concerts.
The new arena should help with bringing businesses conferences and other conference events to the area, however the arena itself is not going to be big enough. You look at Manchester which has a much bigger arena and it attracts pretty much all the major concerts in the North of England. The SECC in Glasgow the same to a lesser extent. Newcastle generally attracts people to concerts from the area, very rarely does it attract people outside of the North East. At the end of the day those people going to a concert are likely to go direct to the concerts, and directly home again. Only a few will eat out in the city centre and stay out afterwards, why, because getting home is quick and easy, there is no need to stay in a hotel for the night and catch the train in the morning, like what I would do if I was going to Manchester for a concert.

I have been to university here, and worked with a lot of students. For many of them a big reason why they came here was for the nightlife, I.E. cheap drink and clubs that are open until 6am. I have heard stories of people who have stayed up here for 2 weeks and never needed a hotel because they can always find a bar. How they got changed and washed was not a question I asked, but there you, there is the reality of what Newcastle’s open all hours facilities offers.
To me the nightlife in Newcastle isn’t something we should try and takeaway, but evolve. Instead of having just cheap all you can drink booze, why don’t we offer club/shows like Coco Bongo in Cancun, Cabaret shows, more comedy like the Stand, Whiskey bars to add to the Gin bars, as well as the like of the Jazz bars etc that seem to be opening up.

I’m not a fan of gambling myself, and do believe the advertising and in particular the links to football and sports has become too much, but I do believe there is a place for it where it is regulated, much like alcohol, and in a separate debate prostitution in my opinion.
How about we opened a couple of high class casino’s? Las Vegas gets a trashy reputation, but a lot of their big casino’s are well ran respectable businesses that offer luxury and entertainment far away from it’s trashy reputation. I myself can’t see why Newcastle shouldn’t consider opening a few similar quality casino’s, over the current trashy types we currently have. Of course that would require a change in rules from the UK government, and some ‘Me too’ copycats from elsewhere in the UK, but Newcastle’s nightlife reputation offers us a platform to build upon, something others don’t.

There is room for both the more upper class forms of entertainment, pavement cafes, and the traditional night clubs, Newcastle needs to just go for it.

Alas I’m not a member of NCC, and my ideas involve some sort of investment and hard work to make it possible and to overcome the difficult challenges that would come it’s way, so my ideas will never be listened too.
 

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But BTRBC, Sage and Baltic are on the South Bank of Newcastle, not Gateshead. You have to walk up the bank for true Gateshead. And, well, most of the spirit, energy and exuberance is on the breath of your average punter in the bookies, not lining the streets with entrepreneurial fancy.

Sorry to be taking lumps out of Gateshead again, but it's annoying when journo's talk bullshit with authority. Let's face it. The taxi from Central to Hillgate Quay won't give them anything of Gateshead to qualify any sort of judgment whatsover.

I wish what he was saying was true mind.
It’s Gateshead-historically, administratively, geographically please spare us the broken record. Alastair Gilmour edits Cheers magazine which is a decent read and a good summary of decent beer and decent pubs in the North East. The opinions in it are usually pretty accurate as is this short piece.
 

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Chris, agree.

It’s Gateshead-historically, administratively, geographically please spare us the broken record. Alastair Gilmour edits Cheers magazine which is a decent read and a good summary of decent beer and decent pubs in the North East. The opinions in it are usually pretty accurate as is this short piece.
I like cheers too :)

Don't want to speak for NO but I think the point he making [I ve said something similar] is that there is a sort of line, perhaps the railway line where to the north of that tho there may be a Gateshead postcode it looks [physically and culturally - the feel] towards Newcastle.

There's a line around the central bar and station east which when you cross feels different. Should it be that way - no, but the central bat and station east could fit easily in the Ouseburn, bottom of Dean St, behind the central station. Put them on Gateshead high street and.... not so much [and there are few bits of core Gateshead where they would fit]. It's not a criticism of Gateshead, but it does feel like that.

I'm probably the only person on earth who thinks the 'Ryder Tyne Deck' would have made a better connection between the north and south of the river and [probably like many here] would like there to be a Tyneside where the core of both places were more dovetailed. It would be better for all.
 

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Chris, agree.



I like cheers too :)

Don't want to speak for NO but I think the point he making [I ve said something similar] is that there is a sort of line, perhaps the railway line where to the north of that tho there may be a Gateshead postcode it looks [physically and culturally - the feel] towards Newcastle.

There's a line around the central bar and station east which when you cross feels different. Should it be that way - no, but the central bat and station east could fit easily in the Ouseburn, bottom of Dean St, behind the central station. Put them on Gateshead high street and.... not so much [and there are few bits of core Gateshead where they would fit]. It's not a criticism of Gateshead, but it does feel like that.

I'm probably the only person on earth who thinks the 'Ryder Tyne Deck' would have made a better connection between the north and south of the river and [probably like many here] would like there to be a Tyneside where the core of both places were more dovetailed. It would be better for all.
Can't say I agree about the Tyne Deck!

But... when you think about it, the Tyne Deck is just a literal translation of what the River is doing now, and how the Quayside is a unifier, and heart of 'Tyneside' as it was planned by Ryder decades ago.

My point about Newcastle South of the River was to highlight the fact that Gateshead Quays is far more part of Newcastle's activities than Gateshead's regardless of administration and geography.
There is still much to do to bring Gateshead Town Centre proper into a proper 'Tyneside centre'. NP is right, the cut off is really the Railway line, but i'd also add its the mess of Askew Road/Gateshead Bypass junction that provides a messy decapitation.

The river Tyne has always been thought of as a piece of 'infrastructure' albeit natural. Whereas once it was a dividing line, it is now a unifier. Apply the same logic to the rail and road strangulation of the Town centre, make them into inhabited squares and boulevards and people will see them as somewhere to cross, not avoid.

And then, cool pubs like BTRBC will climb up the banks, inhabit the railway arches, and begin interacting with GTC, the place will feel a bit as one then.
 

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South Shields Wetherspoons The Wouldhave Pub and The Ranch House, Mile End Road, South Shields, conversion/alterations - information on scheme 15/07/20

South Shields Wetherspoons The Wouldhave Pub and The Ranch House, Mile End Road, South Shields, conversion/alterations - pictures 04/02/20

Scheme covered on previous posts #1290, 1407 on South Shields thread and this thread #9393 on 21/09/18 - Grant of Planning Permission, #9566, #9819 on 12/10/19 and #9862 on 11/12/19 (cut down version above, pictures removed)

Pictures by myself from Monday 04/02/20 approx 1400 showing further views of work being carried out on The Wouldhave pub, 40-42 Mile End Road South Shields
Scheme covered on previous posts #1290, 1407 on South Shields thread and this thread #9393 on 21/09/18 - Grant of Planning Permission, #9566, #9819 on 12/10/19, #9862 on 11/12/19 and #9905 on 05/02/20 (above)

Shields Gazette article from 15/07/20 aboutwork being carried out on The Wouldhave pub, 40-42 Mile End Road South Shields

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Work restarts on South Shields Wetherspoons pub The Wouldhave - with new reopening date set

A new reopening date has been set for Wetherspoons pub The Wouldhave in South Shields after major redevelopment work was delayed due to the pandemic.

Full article, including short video, on New reopening date set for Wetherspoon pub as work restarts on £2.2million expansion and refurbishment of The Wouldhave


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The Telegraph Pub, Orchard St, Newcastle - pictures 19/07/20

When in the area on Sunday 19/07/20 approx 0815 took these pictures of The Telegraph Pub, Orchard St/ Forth St, Newcastle - opposite the Orchard St tunnel, under the Central Station, linking to Neville St used as taxi wait area

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Bar 52, former Antler, 55 Degrees Roundabout, Newcastle - further pictures 19/07/20

Bar 52, former Antler, 55 Degrees Roundabout, Newcastle - pictures 01/02/20

Some pictures by myself from Saturday 01/02/20 approx 1400 showing further views of Bar 52, former Antler, 55 Degrees Roundabout, Newcastle
Some pictures by myself from Sunday 19/07/20 approx 1115 showing views of now completed after refurbishment Bar 52, former Antler, 55 Degrees Roundabout, Newcastle

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Recently heard a rumour (from ex staff) that Perdu has been taken over by players and will become a players bar at some point.

Also a new bar from the people behind Soho Rooms and Green House Disco Gardens is launching soon, it's called 'Queens' but I have no idea where it could be or what it could be replacing.
 

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Recently heard a rumour (from ex staff) that Perdu has been taken over by players and will become a players bar at some point.

Also a new bar from the people behind Soho Rooms and Green House Disco Gardens is launching soon, it's called 'Queens' but I have no idea where it could be or what it could be replacing.
Interesting, Perdu hasn't re opened so possible. Would take the demographic of the street down a few staircases downmarket.

As to the new place - ok, this is a cliche but from the name I could guess it's targeting a specific clientele - which is fine, I used to drink in the village a lot when I lived in Manchester.
 

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Grey's Monument, Newcastle, Erection of a temporary two storey bar for 8 weeks in 2021 - 2024 - Planning Application Withdrawn

What had been proposed, Chronicle Live website article from 17/03/20

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Huge two-storey bar surrounding historic Grey's Monument could be built in Newcastle city centre

Developers behind the venue, proposed as a temporary installation for this year’s Christmas markets, are promising patrons never-before-seen views of the iconic landmark

Full article on Two-storey bar could be built surrounding Grey's Monument


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Application Reference Number: 2020/0353/01/DET

Proposal: Erection of a temporary two storey bar (Class A4) with ancillary facilities and installation of lighting to Grey's Monument. The bar is to be erected for 8 weeks between November 2020 and the first week of January 2021, 2022, 2023 and 2024.

Valid Date: 13-03-2020

Decision Issued Date: 20-07-2020

Decision: Withdrawn


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Moved from xmas thread as more appropriate...

Thank heaven this has been withdrawn. Could we sink any lower? Strip club at the Laing? Crack den in the Lit and Phil?

Newcastle can be a 'party city' without denigrating every square foot to serve this purpose and losing our soul in the process.
 

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Seems similar to the one in Manchester, two stories drinking, but theirs wasn't in front of a monument but in the market square which seemed to be OK.
 

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Moved from xmas thread as more appropriate...

Thank heaven this has been withdrawn. Could we sink any lower? Strip club at the Laing? Crack den in the Lit and Phil?

Newcastle can be a 'party city' without denigrating every square foot to serve this purpose and losing our soul in the process.
Newcastle is far from a party city these days. Working in town for nearly 5 years now it's completely declined, most of the few remaining nightclubs struggle to get busy at the weekends plus nearly all the weekday club events have ended so there's nowhere for students to go and the pre bars have paid the price because of it.

There's now too many pretentious cocktail bars (yes I work in one) and places that sell pints for £6.

Anyway I saw on Facebook that Hoochie Coochie are launching a new bar called The Hooch. I have a feeling this could be taking over Empourium on the quayside.

Plus leaving work tonight I found out where the Queens bar is opening. It's taken over the #Central bar next to powerhouse.
 

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Newcastle is far from a party city these days. Working in town for nearly 5 years now it's completely declined, most of the few remaining nightclubs struggle to get busy at the weekends plus nearly all the weekday club events have ended so there's nowhere for students to go and the pre bars have paid the price because of it.

There's now too many pretentious cocktail bars (yes I work in one) and places that sell pints for £6.

Anyway I saw on Facebook that Hoochie Coochie are launching a new bar called The Hooch. I have a feeling this could be taking over Empourium on the quayside.

Plus leaving work tonight I found out where the Queens bar is opening. It's taken over the #Central bar next to powerhouse.
I think Newcastle should be culturing a more responsible outlook than wrapping our best statues in a timber framed drinking tent.

Do you reckon there is an actual decline or a change in where we drink? I don't think i've been to a club in years (maybe my age) as you can basically drink anywhere until 1am. Maybe people are staying in better quality, sit down (if you hang about long enough) and have a conversation type places instead?

I'm also finding, especially with students, that in places other than the somewhat unique night time economy of Newcastle, that drinking is shifting strategies. I remember your typical british night out was basically Spoons, then a bar crawl up the high street, and onto a sticky floored club. Now we've got places that want to keep you for longer, by either racking up the quality, pretentiousness, or genuineness of a decent local (prices, naturally follow the incline. £6 pint is a bit rough even by London's standards!). One good way of keeping you for longer is by not being that near other pubs- or forming a group huddle of similar ones. Places like Ouseburn, Hillgate by the river whatnot and so on. So the centre is thinned out compared to the good old days of following the circuit.
 

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Newcastle is far from a party city these days. Working in town for nearly 5 years now it's completely declined, most of the few remaining nightclubs struggle to get busy at the weekends plus nearly all the weekday club events have ended so there's nowhere for students to go and the pre bars have paid the price because of it.

There's now too many pretentious cocktail bars (yes I work in one) and places that sell pints for £6.

Anyway I saw on Facebook that Hoochie Coochie are launching a new bar called The Hooch. I have a feeling this could be taking over Empourium on the quayside.

Plus leaving work tonight I found out where the Queens bar is opening. It's taken over the #Central bar next to powerhouse.
I have to somewhat agree with this. Newcastle gets called a party city but compared to the likes of Leeds, Manchester and Liverpool it’s very tame. All those cities have lots of late clubs open till 5/6 in the morning and most bars open till 3. They also have big events spaces for things like the warehouse project. Depending on your lifestyle this may seem like a blessing or a curse but everyone I talk to that has been on nights out in the big northern cities would consider Newcastle as the least fun.
 
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