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Maybe so, but still. I dont think its two extremes. If a space is developed well, contains a certain type of businesses and is not confined to upper floor or 9 to 5 uses, then you have have a healthy public environment.

When you rely on private companies to look after the streetscape beacuse the local authority can't be arsed to propely plan and maintain the area... thats a problem.
 

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It's a more central location in terms of retail for All Saints though, I would imagine they would get more customers being located with ES the they would on a half empty St.
I'm pretty sure they are Newcastle based as my friend used to knock about with the owner... I think he owns Hyena Cafe too... However dont quote me as I may have dreamed this?!:nuts:
 

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^^^ More Subway, great! Who even eats them?

Should point out that even with its recent proliferation it is still No. 2 in the Newcastle City Centre fast food retail stakes in terms of number of units.

TRIVIA: No. 1 anyone?
 

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i believe that is standard practice on part of the big american chains - you open a load of new stores in one area to drive existing businesses out of operation/prevent new competitors opening up.

doesn't help that subway is perhaps my least favourite 'shop' on the planet. yuck.
Whenever I watch a programme or read anything about 'American-style' unregulated capitalism it makes me sick. Did anyone see Food Inc and see how the big food companies force farmers into huge amounts of debt by constantly demanding new equipment be installed... this makes them beholden to the food company who can then exploit this to hammer down the prices. :eek:hno::eek:hno::eek:hno:

Anyway, off topic. But another reason to not eat at Subway is they use imported GM products, so I have heard.
 

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Got it! Here is a good article on them from the BBC. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/8330573.stm

I love the comments from the bottom. It highlights the north/south divide. LONDON: Greggs is bad and makes you fat, NORTH: Greggs is yummy and I eat it all the time. I agree with the latter of course, when I come back to Newcastle in December I'll be having a pasty a day fro three weeks :banana:
 

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The former Millets building in Grainger Town- the one that has been closed longer than the other one- the one near the Barclays bank- is being divided into 3 units? There are plans on NCC website- although the third does not seem to have street frontage. I wonder why they are doing that? The unit isnt all that big anyway- maybe one the units is the planned subway that was mentioned by someone earlier in this thread.
All 3 will be subways, each a different franchisee. In line with Subways plans to carpet-bomb Newcastle with sub sandwiches then finish off anyone left standing with that weird toxic smell they pump out into the street.
 

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Its funny how nobody learns. If Eldon Square sent a planning application with a ton of blank facades in it, the council should have sent them packing. Look at the redevelopment of the Arndale... thats some nice use of materials and modern design.



Why did we get this fecking heap of crap that is ES South
 

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Aye, this is top of my list at Christmas! The metro centre is really getting back on track lately, its quickly gonna be one of the top retail destinations again at this rate.

Can anyone remember a couple of years back reminiscing about when it first opened. Its was a real wonder back then. Newcastle wasnt up to much back then like, so it did shine.
 

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I do think that NCC planning committee must be a bunch of muppets. CSC must be laughing all the way to the bank when you look at the cheap-shit materials and half-baked architecture they got away with. Grrrrrr.
 

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regarding Pilgrim Street (apologies on Northumberland Street) i dont think it will be retail or leisure. all i can say is that street needs a strong office user.

also the metrocentre is due to be anchored by another department store where the cinema used to be. talks are ongoing but it will be interesting, john lewis, selfridges???
Yeah that makes sense to have offices, there is no way the retail drag can extent that far down, I dont know if there are enough shops in the world! But I still think we need an 'Anchor' building. So something with sufficient floor space that the numbers working in the building fuel decent foot-fall. I also think intergration of leisure into the basement and lower floors would be good.

In some ways I wonder how feasible it would be to have a 'family entertainment complex' down that way. Cinema, bowling, quasar, soft-play area, climbing wall, daycare facilities etc. Then family restaurants and things too. Would be a big draw and would be what the gate was always meant to be before the council started giving licences to Casinos and half-naked cheerleader bars!


On the metro centre front, they said a while back that Tesco had it, so unless things have changed, expect a superstore. Soon it will be 'GatesTESCOhead'
 

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Yes, that is where Newcastle's next target lies, after we have completed everything else first though, but having Pilgrim St as entertainment st, next to our retail area is a very good idea.
We do need another cinema in Newcastle though. The Empire is a heap of dung. We should get AMC or UGC to open up. I do think Cinemas are great anchor tenants, people often eat and drink before the cinema, so they draw in more leisure.
 

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Dont think I even knew there was a sport shop there?! I'm sure they will go bust soon, like all the other sports shops except JD and AshleyDirect.com
 

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The shops are also absolutely horrible environments, very dark, very loud horrible dance music and topless male shop assistants....basically they are gay clubs without an alcohol license.
so true :lol:

I refuse to set foot in A&F because of their discriminatory hiring policies and their general attitude to people who dont conform to their 'look'. Makes me sick, especially since they are hawking the same shitty 'made in vietnam' shit that H&M sells for £3 and marking it up 500%.
 

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I cant fit into Superdry. I am a big bloke, 6'2 and broad (although normally still wear L or XL) and even their XXL stuff was soooo tight. So thats a shop that is a no go for me!
 

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Eldon Garden was always meant to be high-end right? Maybe its a type of retailer that will just never come to Newcastle. We have two schemes now (Eldon Garden, Grainger Town) that were supposed to bring them in... but they never came!
 
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