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i don't really go down Clayton but from what i gather it is your cheap shops- which is fine- we need cheaper shops somewhere- and although a niceish street it certainly aint Grey Street- so leave it as it is. I just couldnt face £ stretcher opening up on the former Kookai shop of soemthing and that is what I think might happen.
 

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Just a thought, but if the council does fully pedestrianise Blackett St/New Bridge Street/upper Pilgrim Street, the necessary transfer of bus routes to the Newgate/Grainger/Market Street axis, and, even more so, if some services could be routed via Westgate Road/Grainger/Market Street, would bring greater footfall to the lower Grainger Street area and perhaps help to stimulate local businesses there.
 

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We talk about the area from TJ's t central but i don't think that area is so bad- we have a lot of more 'different' shops - guitar shops, comic books, coffee shops, backpackers hostels- yeah it aint regent street but it is pretty full- justa few empty units- it is the stretch from Monument to TJ hughes that is the problem.
 

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i don't really go down Clayton but from what i gather it is your cheap shops- which is fine- we need cheaper shops somewhere- and although a niceish street it certainly aint Grey Street- so leave it as it is. I just couldnt face £ stretcher opening up on the former Kookai shop of soemthing and that is what I think might happen.
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7 - Leave the 'Clayton Street' area of Graingertown as is. It is happily finding it's niche with the "cheaper shops" (?)
 

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I feel if nothing is done then Grainger/Market Street could become the new Clayton Street!
Yeah, which is a shame, because Clayton Street actually has some very nice buildings.

Now lets get this right.

Newcastle should focus on a higher end retail area, it needs it, their is no stores like it from Leeds to Edinburgh, one hell of a gap, so it does need it.

So it needs it.

I can't be in ES, which has poundland, and retailers the the type we are trying to attract wouldn't want to be located next to.

It can't be Northumberland St, for the same reason, plus their is currently few fee spaces.

EPS isn't going to get off for another 20 years.

Grey St is mostly full.

Blackett St doesn't have many free spaces, only one when Schuh relocate.

So Grainger town is the only realistic alternative. Plenty of good buildings, plenty of vacant buildings. The only downside is T J Hughes. Now thats where the problem is, somehow we have to get rid of them. Then I feel it would be possible to attract the higher end retailers.
 

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i don't really go down Clayton but from what i gather it is your cheap shops- which is fine- we need cheaper shops somewhere- and although a niceish street it certainly aint Grey Street- so leave it as it is. I just couldnt face £ stretcher opening up on the former Kookai shop of soemthing and that is what I think might happen.
Clayton Street actually has quite a bit going for it - a number of small local businesses such as the Scrumpy Willow cafe and the like - it's a shame they, and places like Richer Sounds, weren't on Grainger St.

Possibly some of the E European businesses to be made homeless by the demolition of the Newgate Centre could be encouraged to Grainger Street to form a little Eastern quarter.
 

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Just a thought, but if the council does fully pedestrianise Blackett St/New Bridge Street/upper Pilgrim Street, the necessary transfer of bus routes to the Newgate/Grainger/Market Street axis, and, even more so, if some services could be routed via Westgate Road/Grainger/Market Street, would bring greater footfall to the lower Grainger Street area and perhaps help to stimulate local businesses there.
It should also already get the 'footfall' from the Central, so would that sort of footfall ("on the way TO somewhere else") necessarily help much?
 

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Yeah, which is a shame, because Clayton Street actually has some very nice buildings.

Now lets get this right.

Newcastle should focus on a higher end retail area, it needs it, their is no stores like it from Leeds to Edinburgh, one hell of a gap, so it does need it.

So it needs it.

I can't be in ES, which has poundland, and retailers the the type we are trying to attract wouldn't want to be located next to.

It can't be Northumberland St, for the same reason, plus their is currently few fee spaces.

EPS isn't going to get off for another 20 years.

Grey St is mostly full.

Blackett St doesn't have many free spaces, only one when Schuh relocate.

So Grainger town is the only realistic alternative. Plenty of good buildings, plenty of vacant buildings. The only downside is T J Hughes. Now thats where the problem is, somehow we have to get rid of them. Then I feel it would be possible to attract the higher end retailers.
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8 - Graingertown is the only space for high-end (new) retail.

Question though - Chris, do you mean "Monument to TJ Hughes only" or do you mean "all the way down to Central" ?
 

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Clayton Street actually has quite a bit going for it - a number of small local businesses such as the Scrumpy Willow cafe and the like - it's a shame they, and places like Richer Sounds, weren't on Grainger St.

Possibly some of the E European businesses to be made homeless by the demolition of the Newgate Centre could be encouraged to Grainger Street to form a little Eastern quarter.
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9 - The impact of the new re-development of the Newgate Shopping Centre is unknown.
 

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Just as we appear to be identifying "issues" well, and avoiding "suggesting solutions" at this stage - I have to shoot off for a while.

We have NINE issues so far . . . lets see how many we can come up with?
 

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It should also already get the 'footfall' from the Central, so would that sort of footfall ("on the way TO somewhere else") necessarily help much?
What numbers come to Newcastle by train to shop, what numbers by bus? And of those travellers who arrive by train, how many walk up Grainger Street towards Monument, and how many go straight to the Metro, buses, taxis? An awful lot in the latter categories, I would hazard. Making lower Grainger Street much more of a bus 'centre' than it is at present would draw shoppers down that way. Look at the crowds at the stops on Blackett and Pilgrim Streets at the moment!
 

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8 - Graingertown is the only space for high-end (new) retail.

Question though - Chris, do you mean "Monument to TJ Hughes only" or do you mean "all the way down to Central" ?
I myself would say to T J Hughes, but their is no doubt that their is also undesirable retailers located within desirable buildings, and areas further down to be considerd aswell.
 

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I myself would say to T J Hughes, but their is no doubt that their is also undesirable retailers located within desirable buildings, and areas further down to be considerd aswell.
But, should we (at a later stage when we come to suggesting solutions to all the "issues" we identify) should we be suggesting DIFFERENT solutions to the two mentioned parts of Grainger Street? Logically, we should.

Anyway, back to brainstorming 'issues'!!
 

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8 - Graingertown is the only space for high-end (new) retail.

Question though - Chris, do you mean "Monument to TJ Hughes only" or do you mean "all the way down to Central" ?
No. Grainger Town is not the only place to develop high end retail. Due to Newcastle's rather poor population- in comparison to other cities such as Leeds or Edinburgh- we can not expect a D&G shop to just open up on Grainger Street- they would not take the risk. The attract high end we would need a big anchor store that would result in richer people coming to Newcastle specifically to visit that store- such as Leeds or Bristol getting Harvey Nicks. Unfortunetly there will be no such development in Grainger Town. The one that could have been used for this purpose was given to TJ Hughes-some have said that the likes of Harvey Nicks would never have opened up there anyway- stepping over vomit from the Bigg Market revellers wouldnt look good really. I agree a bit- but we didnt need to have had an entrance on the Bigg Market and we could have totally change the way the street was developed having the entrance to the store on market Street where say Envy is- so it would have been close to Grey Street (wasnt that where Binns used to be anyway?) and used where TJ Hughes for your smaller stores that would radiate near the anchor. Anyway its doen now- TJ's is there and there will not be a spot available any time soon- so without the anchor Grainger Town will not develop into the 'Bond Street' of the north.

The way to attract high end reatilers would be a new developement- which again is attarctive to retailers- they are built which are exactly what 21st Century retailers need- although Grainger Town buildings look lovely from outside they are a bugger to use for modern day retailers. As mentioned before the Odeon site on Pilgrim Street would be ideal. Near to Northumberland Street- not near the busy Bigg- Gate area and also close to Grey Street and the likes of Cruise and Vivienne. The pedestrianisation of the street from Northumberland to Market would help these plans.
But this doesnt answer the problem of Grainger Town. But what I am trying to say is Grainger Town has lost its chance to become high end retail and maybe, if it is to become retail- it will become more like Clayton Street.
 

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Grainger Street footfall is generally high- but it more people going to somewhere that is not shopping and therefore the income of the stores along there are probably low. High end retailers make their money by people who are in that street specifically walking along that street specifically for shopping- they would then maybe just pop in and fall in love with a lovely top and spend far too much for it. People walking to central station probably wouldnt just pop in and have a look around. The bottom end near the station are also more specialised store such as comic or guitar or big and tall shops- those going there wouldnt be likely to pop in and have a look at the lovely Jummy Choo shoes up by the monumnet would they?
 

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No. Grainger Town is not the only place to develop high end retail. Due to Newcastle's rather poor population- in comparison to other cities such as Leeds or Edinburgh- we can not expect a D&G shop to just open up on Grainger Street- they would not take the risk. The attract high end we would need a big anchor store that would result in richer people coming to Newcastle specifically to visit that store- such as Leeds or Bristol getting Harvey Nicks. Unfortunetly there will be no such development in Grainger Town. The one that could have been used for this purpose was given to TJ Hughes-some have said that the likes of Harvey Nicks would never have opened up there anyway- stepping over vomit from the Bigg Market revellers wouldnt look good really. I agree a bit- but we didnt need to have had an entrance on the Bigg Market and we could have totally change the way the street was developed having the entrance to the store on market Street where say Envy is- so it would have been close to Grey Street (wasnt that where Binns used to be anyway?) and used where TJ Hughes for your smaller stores that would radiate near the anchor. Anyway its doen now- TJ's is there and there will not be a spot available any time soon- so without the anchor Grainger Town will not develop into the 'Bond Street' of the north.

The way to attract high end reatilers would be a new developement- which again is attarctive to retailers- they are built which are exactly what 21st Century retailers need- although Grainger Town buildings look lovely from outside they are a bugger to use for modern day retailers. As mentioned before the Odeon site on Pilgrim Street would be ideal. Near to Northumberland Street- not near the busy Bigg- Gate area and also close to Grey Street and the likes of Cruise and Vivienne. The pedestrianisation of the street from Northumberland to Market would help these plans.
But this doesnt answer the problem of Grainger Town. But what I am trying to say is Grainger Town has lost its chance to become high end retail and maybe, if it is to become retail- it will become more like Clayton Street.
OK, another couple of issues (it doesn't matter at this stage that one of them 'contradicts' an earlier one) . . .

10 - Graingertown is not suitable for 'High End' retail.

11 - EPS (or 'part' of EPS) is more suitable for that high end retail.
 

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The way to attract high end reatilers would be a new developement- which again is attarctive to retailers- they are built which are exactly what 21st Century retailers need- although Grainger Town buildings look lovely from outside they are a bugger to use for modern day retailers. As mentioned before the Odeon site on Pilgrim Street would be ideal. Near to Northumberland Street- not near the busy Bigg- Gate area and also close to Grey Street and the likes of Cruise and Vivienne. The pedestrianisation of the street from Northumberland to Market would help these plans.
But this doesnt answer the problem of Grainger Town. But what I am trying to say is Grainger Town has lost its chance to become high end retail and maybe, if it is to become retail- it will become more like Clayton Street.[/QUOTE]

I totally agree! Graingertown has imn my opinion missed the boat, as mentioned previously I used to work there in my student days working in Jigsaw Menswear,and there used to be a great little buzz, especially on a sat afternoon, but that has all but gone!
I feel the only real opportunity for an anchor store is a) Odeon site (which could be pedestarianised in front and along to Hood Street or b) the old Fire Station would make a great small department store but the surroundings let it down. Odeon could be really successful site!
 

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The way to attract high end reatilers would be a new developement- which again is attarctive to retailers- they are built which are exactly what 21st Century retailers need- although Grainger Town buildings look lovely from outside they are a bugger to use for modern day retailers. As mentioned before the Odeon site on Pilgrim Street would be ideal. Near to Northumberland Street- not near the busy Bigg- Gate area and also close to Grey Street and the likes of Cruise and Vivienne. The pedestrianisation of the street from Northumberland to Market would help these plans.
But this doesnt answer the problem of Grainger Town. But what I am trying to say is Grainger Town has lost its chance to become high end retail and maybe, if it is to become retail- it will become more like Clayton Street.
I totally agree! Graingertown has imn my opinion missed the boat, as mentioned previously I used to work there in my student days working in Jigsaw Menswear,and there used to be a great little buzz, especially on a sat afternoon, but that has all but gone!
I feel the only real opportunity for an anchor store is a) Odeon site (which could be pedestarianised in front and along to Hood Street or b) the old Fire Station would make a great small department store but the surroundings let it down. Odeon could be really successful site![/QUOTE]

12 - The Odeon or Fire Station could house an anchor store (this is almost a "proposed solution", mind!!)

13 - Hood Street could be pedestrianised ("Ditto"!!)
 
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