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Edmonton leaders licking wounds, assessing damage of Expo decision
Even planned expansions of U of A campus, LRT will slow down

November 24, 2010

Gordon Kent
edmontonjournal.com

EDMONTON — While local leaders tallied up the damage Tuesday from the federal government’s failure to support Edmonton’s Expo 2017 bid, Public Works Minister Rona Ambrose defended the move as necessary cost control.

Organizers asked Ottawa to put about $700 million into the $2.3-billion event, but Ambrose said this contribution could have ballooned to $1 billion if there was a security threat to the site or the oilsands.

“Even at a low-risk threat, securing this 90-day event would have cost $100 million, and that didn’t include the RCMP and city police,” she said.

“The infrastructure funding would have been great for Edmonton. I’m not going to deny that. The operational cost would have been taken on by the city and the province, but we would be responsible for security.”

Premier Ed Stelmach was also disappointed, telling reporters the federal government invited a bid from a province seen as being in the best position to support such an event.

“It’s the 150th anniversary of Canada. What a prime opportunity to showcase the new West, the oilsands, which I believe will be driving the economy in this country for years and years.”

But Ambrose said the government saw this year how security costs can spiral upwards at international events such as the G-8/G-20 summits and the Vancouver Winter Olympics.

However, bid committee sponsorship chair Ruth Kelly said the government never tried to negotiate a lower contribution to the fair despite repeated requests for talks.

She called the security concerns “a huge red herring.”

Police, military and other safety experts from all three levels of government toured the site during a two-day meeting earlier this month and agreed the committee’s $91-million security budget was reasonable, bid officials said.

Ottawa was asked to provide just $11 million of that expense.

The city and the province spent about $3.5 million developing and promoting the bid, Kelly said.

The main venue for the three-month fair was to be at the University of Alberta’s new South Campus, leaving behind classrooms and office space to give the crowded main campus breathing room.

Expo would have left South Campus with $800-million worth of buildings, which the U of A was to convert into academic research space through a $500-million renovation, vice-president of facilities and operations Don Hickey said.

They’ll now have to try to secure provincial funding for the amount, he said.

As well, city plans to complete LRT lines to the west end, Mill Woods and NAIT within six years to have them ready for the world’s fair will probably be delayed by one or two years, transportation general manager Bob Boutilier said.

Rest of Article:
http://www.vancouversun.com/business/Ambrose+defends+feds+anti+Expo+stance/3872828/story.html

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On one hand, we've had an expensive year, with the 2010 games and the G8/G20 (feds pitching in $878 and $858 million respectively, for security). But we're talking Expo 2017. Surely we'll be out of recession by the time the money needs to be set aside? Seems kinda cruel to invite the city/province to waste $3.5 million of their own money for a bid that was never going to happen. Guess that's what happens to blue provinces, lol.
 

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Edmonton really should have stepped up their game. The bid video looked amature while the competition was putting their best foot forward. I am surprised that the Cons wouldn't back it though, even if it was a wasted effort.



I also think that voting nations for expo would think of the tar sands when making their decisions.
 

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they're not going to spread funds around in places where they are already guaranteed votes.

it's the way we've allowed the feds to govern for decades and it's unfortunate but Canadians don't seem interested in changing the votes for funds cynical way of doing things.
 

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I'd love to see Expo come to Toronto, it's a big deal in that you can get some really cool iconic architecture from it.
 

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Is the expo still a big deal these days?
well its definitely put the city into world class category for sure,same does for Vancouver back in 1986.
 

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Edmonton really should have stepped up their game. The bid video looked amature while the competition was putting their best foot forward.
The Edmonton video looks totally tacky and designed by a bunch of nostalgic bureaucrats. The Belgium one looks like the work of a single computer nerd, and doesn't show much either. Overall, neither video was satisfying in the least.

TB, if I recall corectly, the province of Ontario also blew off Toronto for its 2015 bid, lol.
 

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How to make a bid video.

That's just horrible. At least the Canadian one has some character and doesn't give one a headache watching it.
 

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We don't need anymore expos here. The greatest one on Earth ever was '67 in Montreal, and since no one cares about expos anymore, and Canada or the world will never be able to top '67. Let's just say, thank you for saving the tiny bit of money Canada actually has.
 

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TB, if I recall corectly, the province of Ontario also blew off Toronto for its 2015 bid, lol.
The province blew it off because the Feds refused, and they did not want to be stuck paying the whole thing. I imagine this is precisely what has happened with this present case.
You can't win an Expo or Olympic bid without support from your own Federal Government- no committee would agree to such an arrangement.
 

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^^To clarify for everyone else... the Feds and Ontario were jointly going to fund expo 2015, but they couldn't come to agreement on who's going to be responsible for cost overruns. The feds passed a bill a decade beforehand that prohibited them from being liable to cost overruns/budget shortfalls for these events, so presumably that would have been a given in the Edmonton bid, except that bid got killed without any negotiation.
 

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Is the expo still a big deal these days?
It's a mixed opinion since there are more forms of entertainment now than the Expo compared to yesteryear. But the Shanghai one this year attracted over 70 million visitors. Don't think it was 90 days long only - thought it was double that.
 

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^^To clarify for everyone else... the Feds and Ontario were jointly going to fund expo 2015, but they couldn't come to agreement on who's going to be responsible for cost overruns. The feds passed a bill a decade beforehand that prohibited them from being liable to cost overruns/budget shortfalls for these events, so presumably that would have been a given in the Edmonton bid, except that bid got killed without any negotiation.
Guess it was just an old fashioned miracle how they managed to swing it for the Vancouver Olympics!! ;)
Anyhoo... just to clarify it for everyone, the Feds simply stalled till the deadline was past, because they had no intention of backing the proposal.
 

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Well, to be fair, I thought that the Shanghai expo was very impressive (the Canadian Pavilion was one of my favourite). That being said, the reach and impact of this event seems to have decreased over the years...
 

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Guess it was just an old fashioned miracle how they managed to swing it for the Vancouver Olympics!! ;)
...and G8/G20 ;) Funny how depending on one's mood, the Ontario government can do no wrong :) Wait, why are we even talking bout Toronto, and now Vancouver for that matter, lol?
 

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Toronto didn't particularly want the G20... Vancouverites were quite obsessed with the olympic bid!
 

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I thought that was pretty obvious to most Filip, but some seem to think we wanted it.

I am curious why Edmonton and Alberta even need a government handout for an event like Expo. One would have thought they could have funded it themselves.
 
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