Born on the south side raised on the north side, it's too close to call. I say it's a draw.
Yeah, I ride the Red Line to 35th occasionally. But that's an exception to the rule, based on the fact that I grew up a Sox fan because a family friend was one of their team doctors. He'd get me seats behind home plate, and visits to the clubhouse before and after games; how could you not be a Sox fan?sharptent said:chi-town, aren't you a sox fan? comiskular is south of roosevelt, there's one reason right there.
Yep; and now the accountants, bankers, lawyers, marketing execs, etc that make Chicago rich live on the North Side.edsg25 said:As a North Sider, I've gotta say: thank God for the South Side. It's real. It's gritty. It's muscular. It's what Carl Sandberg had in mind.
There may be more money on the North Side than the South, but a lot what made Chicago rich, the heavy industry that drove the place for so many years, was on the south.
America as a whole, and its successful cities, have been making a transition for decades from a manufacturing to a service economy. Cities like New York and Chicago now thrive thanks to jobs in areas like financial services, not factories.Dampyre said:How do those people make Chicago rich? :lol:
Its like the German concept of "heimat"...an urban heimat....the "real Chicago" is different for different folks at different times (hence perhaps nostalgia..sepia toned or noir?)...trying to get at some ineffable spirit of the place, the genus loci. There's an implied issue of "authenticity", but I thing its more about genus loci.aion26 said:BTW, when people bring up this "real chicago" argument, I just want to laugh. What does "real chicago" mean? Does it have any more meaning than "real american" or is it just thinly veiled xenophobia against the supposed 'outsiders'? Don't get me wrong, I don't like trixies as much as the next person, but what was makes a person a 'real' resident of a city? and how is that person you don't like because they happen live in an area you don't like less 'real' than someone like my father who once worked on the southside in a garage around 83rd and Halsted (who incidently moved here from the east coast, making him pretty far from a native, but based on the blue collar romanticism that pervades some ideas of chicago makes him somehow 'real')? Seriously, I'm curious as to what that criteria would be?
amazing...i thought it was gritty and muscular long before the Great Migration. Gritty and real is what the South Side has always been about and it has nothing to do with race or ethnicity; a lot of it comes from a place with a far more industrial setting than the North Side has. Meanwhile, there is plenty of crime on the North Side.How the hell you could have read that into my quote is beyond me, especially since we've interacted here a number of times and I would have thought that you would know that is not what I would think. I find that insulting, Oshkeoto, for what it's worth. I was born on the South Side, know it well, and respect it....and personally I don't give a flying **** what someone's race, ethnicity, or religion is, and I resent the fact that you thought I do.oshkeoto said:"As a North Sider, I've gotta say: thank God for the South Side. It's real. It's gritty. It's muscular. It's what Carl Sandberg had in mind. "
...yeah, just as long as you don't have to live there.
That was kind of a bogus thing to say. Condescending. The South Side, with all those black guys, all the crime! How gritty! How quaint! How "real"!
No kidding, I hate it when people romanticize living in a 'rough neighborhood." Having had my own experiences in rough areas (I once lived in a building in which someone was stabbed in the courtyard in a gang related incident) and know what it is like to be woken up hearing gunshots in the middle of the night (and had friends growing up who had it much worse, my childhood buddies who lived in East Chicago had their living room windows shot out by ganbangers when they were kids, I remember their mom telling my mom about it in horror), I make absolutely no apologies about living in an area where I don't have to put up with that crap, even if I have to pay a bit more for a cramped space (no, I don't live in lincoln park, I live in ukranian village) and have to put up with the derision of those idiots who want to 'keep it real', (whatever that means) for my living choices.oshkeoto said:I'm reminded of an article in the Onion by a guy who brags about how tough it is in Washington DC, about how cool it is that so many people get killed there. I've heard a fair number of people say that kind of stuff without irony, so I may have been projecting their attitudes too much onto what you said.
I didn't mean to make that much of it in the first place, but truth be known, when I thought of "grit" I did not me "downtrodden". Look at it this way: Printers Row in Chicago and Soho in Lower Manhattan have grit, but are by no means downtrodden.oshkeoto said:You're right, you've generally been more understanding of racial issues in this city than most people on the forum, and you're not one of the people who generally romanticizies grit in an offensive way. That being said, though, I did see a kind of condescending undertone to what you said, even if it wasn't what was in your mind consciously.
So, only people who live on the North Side work in the financial services field. Gotcha....Chi-town said:America as a whole, and its successful cities, have been making a transition for decades from a manufacturing to a service economy. Cities like New York and Chicago now thrive thanks to jobs in areas like financial services, not factories.