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I really hope to hear more on the Red Line soon. Also the White Marsh subway would rock if it was ever made.
If they could do both those projects within the next 10 years it would be great. I'd also be satisfied if that was all the city got. Of course I'd want more -- I think the light rail should get a Towson extension -- but I think we'd have a fairly decent transit system with those two projects taking place soon.
 

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If they could do both those projects within the next 10 years it would be great. I'd also be satisfied if that was all the city got. Of course I'd want more -- I think the light rail should get a Towson extension -- but I think we'd have a fairly decent transit system with those two projects taking place soon.
Unfortunately, getting both the Red Line and the Green Line extension built by the end of the decade is unlikely. The Red Line has a good chance, but the state also has to worry about funding the Purple Line in the DC Suburbs. Its not too bad though, at least we have one major mass transit project being taken seriously. The question then becomes which newer line, the Yellow or the Green, gets built first. I like the idea of the Yellow connecting Towson with downtown and Columbia, but the Green Line also sounds good because its almost certain that it would consist of heavy rail. The Yellow would likely be light rail, which isn't bad, but heavy rail is the best of the best. A lot depends on what happens in DC over the next few years. If the Dems experience another terrible year like 2010, we'd be lucky as a state if we get the Red and Purple Lines completed.
 

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Unfortunately, getting both the Red Line and the Green Line extension built by the end of the decade is unlikely. The Red Line has a good chance, but the state also has to worry about funding the Purple Line in the DC Suburbs. Its not too bad though, at least we have one major mass transit project being taken seriously. The question then becomes which newer line, the Yellow or the Green, gets built first. I like the idea of the Yellow connecting Towson with downtown and Columbia, but the Green Line also sounds good because its almost certain that it would consist of heavy rail. The Yellow would likely be light rail, which isn't bad, but heavy rail is the best of the best. A lot depends on what happens in DC over the next few years. If the Dems experience another terrible year like 2010, we'd be lucky as a state if we get the Red and Purple Lines completed.
Getting the green line out to White Marsh would give the east side of Baltimore a rail line into the city. It has none right now. The west side of Baltimore has two. That is why I think that should get the priority.
 

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Getting the green line out to White Marsh would give the east side of Baltimore a rail line into the city. It has none right now. The west side of Baltimore has two. That is why I think that should get the priority.
With Harford County and East Baltimore County expanding with BRAC I think the Green Line makes the most sense after the Red Line is built.
 

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Does anyone else look at that map and feel slightly uneasy? Like.. this is the best that they could come up with? really? thats it? 40 years out and thats what were aiming for?
 

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Getting the green line out to White Marsh would give the east side of Baltimore a rail line into the city. It has none right now. The west side of Baltimore has two. That is why I think that should get the priority.
No, the westside of Baltimore has one rail line and one worthless string of cars that runs through abandoned factories on a pointless ROW that has about 500 people living within walking distance of it.
 

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Does anyone else look at that map and feel slightly uneasy? Like.. this is the best that they could come up with? really? thats it? 40 years out and thats what were aiming for?
Well Regional Rail would only take 15 years max to build out and a total cost of 7-12 billion , that includes New Tracks , stations , Electrification on some lines , New Trains , Buying up some ROW , New Bridges and Tunnels. The Projected 2030 Ridership of Maryland , Virgina and Delaware Railway network is 470,000+. The Rest of the Light Rail and Streetcars is in between and keeps changing.
 

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How do you get your ridership prediction?
I factored in the growth and densification on the lines , form what i'm told increased service to every 30 mins on the Penn line off peak and every 5-10 mins peak. On the other lines it would be every 30-45 mins off peak and 10-15 mins peak , so i factored that in. Better service translates into higher usage , and coupled into the densification the lines will really become busy. I don't think the Brunswick line even with the extension to Hagerstorm will be used by more then 20,000 , thats due to the Capital Cities Corridor light rail line. I think the LA plata line will be used by alot , but thats only if there is a bus / light rail connection to DC. As for the Virgina side i see the same , with the Extensions to Haymarket and Culpepper , i see very high usage on both lines , the only thing needed on that side is better frequency.
 

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Hopefully the people in Edmondson Village won't protest too much as people are debating over above-ground and tunnels for the system. Not to mention those Canton folks being angry about the soon-to-be made traffic patterns.

I know it's gonna be a lot fighting. On the 13th of January is gonna be a VERY interseting CAC meeting.
 

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Hopefully the people in Edmondson Village won't protest too much as people are debating over above-ground and tunnels for the system. Not to mention those Canton folks being angry about the soon-to-be made traffic patterns.

I know it's gonna be a lot fighting. On the 13th of January is gonna be a VERY interseting CAC meeting.
Over on the Sun there was an article about a new Charm bus route being opened for the 2012 Bicentennial of the War of 1812...and Canton people were saying they wanted a Charm Bus route. LOL!!! So I guess they are OK with buses (the 7, 11, 13 MTA buses go there now) but as long as they are free buses!
 

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Urban Transit / Rail mileages

Northern Virgina
Current System : 29 mi
added miles of Metrorail : 52
added miles of Streetcar : 89
added miles of Bus Rapid Transit : 41

Washington DC
Current System : 106 mi
added miles of Metrorail : 52
added miles of streetcar : 50
added miles of Bus Rapid Transit : 40

Maryland Suburbs of DC
Current system : 0
added miles of Streetcar : 24
added miles of Light rail : 43
added miles of Bus Rapid Transit : 51

Baltimore
Current System : 40 mi
added miles of Light Rail : 84
added miles of subway : 12

Fredrick
Current system : 0
added miles of Streetcar : 9

Wilmington
Current system : 0
added miles of streetcar : 15

Commuter / Regional Rail and Intercity Rail

Virginia

Current system size : 90 mi
added Miles of Electrified Rail : 116
added Miles of Diesel Rail / Intercity Rail : 517


Delaware

Current system size : 20 mi
added Miles of Diesel Rail : 249
added miles of Electrified Rail : 37

Maryland

Current system size : 187 mi
added Miles of Diesel Rail : 111
added miles of Electrified Rail : 32
 

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Northern Virgina
Current System : 29 mi
added miles of Metrorail : 52
added miles of Streetcar : 89
added miles of Bus Rapid Transit : 41

Washington DC
Current System : 106 mi
added miles of Metrorail : 52
added miles of streetcar : 50
added miles of Bus Rapid Transit : 40

Maryland Suburbs of DC
Current system : 0
added miles of Streetcar : 24
added miles of Light rail : 43
added miles of Bus Rapid Transit : 51

Baltimore
Current System : 40 mi
added miles of Light Rail : 84
added miles of subway : 12

Fredrick
Current system : 0
added miles of Streetcar : 9

Wilmington
Current system : 0
added miles of streetcar : 15
 

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Maryland / Delaware

MARC / Deldot

Projects to be completed by 2030

Upgrading of the Brunswick & Camden lines
Overhaul of the Penn line
Refurbished Penn Station
Added Capacity to Union Station
Downstate line
Hagerstorm extension of the Brunswick line
MTA Red line
MTA Purple line
MTA Corridor Cities Transitway
Replacement of MTA buses and LRT cars
Replacement of HHP-8

Large Scale Rail Projects

Project : Downstate lines
Number of lines : 2
Stations : 16
Type : Trunk line
Projected Ridership : 50,000
Status : Study Underway

Project : Cambridge branch
Number of lines : 1
Stations : 4
Type : Light Passenger Rail / Freight corridor
Projected Ridership : 3,000
Status : needs to be studied

Project : Eastern shore branch
Number of lines : 1
Stations : 8
Type : Light Passenger Rail / Freight Corridor
Projected Ridership : 5,000
Status : needs to studied

Project : Centerville Branch
Number of lines : 1
Stations : 3
Type : Light Passenger rail / Freight corridor
Projected Ridership : 1,000
Status : needs to be studied

Project : Chestertown branch
Number of lines : 1
Stations : 3
Type : light passenger / freight corridor
Projected Ridership : 2,000
Status : needs to be studied

Project : Northwest line
Number of lines : 1
Stations : 15
Projected Ridership : 45,000
Status : Study Underway

Project : Westminster branch
Number of lines : 1
Stations : 4
Projected Ridership : 5,000
Status : needs to be studied

Project : Extension of the Penn line to Newark,DE
Number of lines : 1
Stations : 4
Projected Ridership : 20,000
Status : Awaiting Funding

Project : Severn line
Number of lines : 1
Stations : 11
Projected Ridership : 27,000
Status : Study Underway

Project : Bowie line
Number of lines : 1
Stations : 7
Projected Ridership : 14,000
Status : Study Underway

Project : Extension of the Brunswick line to Hagerstorm
Number of lines : 1
Stations : 5
Projected Ridership : 11,000
Status : Awaiting Funding

Project : Baltimore Red line
Number of lines : 1
Stations : 20
Projected Ridership : 60,000
Status : Construction to begin in 2012

Project : MTA Purple line
Number of lines : 1
Stations : 21
Projected Ridership : 65,000
Status : Construction to begin in 2012

Project : MTA Corridor cities Transitway
Number of lines : 1-2
Stations : ?
Projected Ridership : ?
Status : Study Completed

Project : MTA Yellow line
Number of lines : 1
Stations : 46
Projected Ridership : 80,000
Status : Study Completed

Project : MTA Green line
Number of lines : 1
Stations : 7
Projected Ridership : 50,000
Status : ?

Current Regional Rail / Light Rail System


Line : Penn line
Length : 87 mi
Stations : 13
Ridership : 20,000 > Projected 2020 Ridership : 40,000

Line : Camden line
Length : 35 mi
Stations : 12
Ridership : 5,400 > Projected 2020 Ridership : 8,000

Line : Brunswick line
Length : 82 mi
Stations : 19
Ridership : 7,800 > Projected 2020 Ridership : 15,000

Line : MTA Baltimore Light Rail
Length : 30 mi
Stations : 33
Ridership : 35,000 > Projected 2020 Ridership : 60,000

Line : Baltimore Subway
Length : 15 mi
Stations : 14
Ridership : 57,000 > Projected 2020 Ridership : 63,000
 

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Maryland / Delaware

MARC / Deldot

Projects to be completed by 2020

Upgrading of the Brunswick & Camden lines
Overhaul of the Penn line
Refurbished Penn Station
Added Capacity to Union Station
Downstate line
Hagerstorm extension of the Brunswick line
MTA Red line
MTA Purple line
MTA Corridor Cities Transitway
Replacement of MTA buses and LRT cars
Replacement of HHP-8

Large Scale Rail Projects

Project : Downstate lines
Number of lines : 2
Stations : 16
Type : Trunk line
Projected Ridership : 50,000
Status : Study Underway

Project : Cambridge branch
Number of lines : 1
Stations : 4
Type : Light Passenger Rail / Freight corridor
Projected Ridership : 3,000
Status : needs to be studied

Project : Eastern shore branch
Number of lines : 1
Stations : 8
Type : Light Passenger Rail / Freight Corridor
Projected Ridership : 5,000
Status : needs to studied

Project : Centerville Branch
Number of lines : 1
Stations : 3
Type : Light Passenger rail / Freight corridor
Projected Ridership : 1,000
Status : needs to be studied

Project : Chestertown branch
Number of lines : 1
Stations : 3
Type : light passenger / freight corridor
Projected Ridership : 2,000
Status : needs to be studied

Project : Northwest line
Number of lines : 1
Stations : 15
Projected Ridership : 45,000
Status : Study Underway

Project : Westminster branch
Number of lines : 1
Stations : 4
Projected Ridership : 5,000
Status : needs to be studied

Project : Extension of the Penn line to Newark,DE
Number of lines : 1
Stations : 4
Projected Ridership : 20,000
Status : Awaiting Funding

Project : Severn line
Number of lines : 1
Stations : 11
Projected Ridership : 27,000
Status : Study Underway

Project : Bowie line
Number of lines : 1
Stations : 7
Projected Ridership : 14,000
Status : Study Underway

Project : Extension of the Brunswick line to Hagerstorm
Number of lines : 1
Stations : 5
Projected Ridership : 11,000
Status : Awaiting Funding

Project : Baltimore Red line
Number of lines : 1
Stations : 20
Projected Ridership : 60,000
Status : Construction to begin in 2012

Project : MTA Purple line
Number of lines : 1
Stations : 21
Projected Ridership : 65,000
Status : Construction to begin in 2012

Project : MTA Corridor cities Transitway
Number of lines : 1-2
Stations : ?
Projected Ridership : ?
Status : Study Completed

Project : MTA Yellow line
Number of lines : 1
Stations : 46
Projected Ridership : 80,000
Status : Study Completed

Project : MTA Green line
Number of lines : 1
Stations : 7
Projected Ridership : 50,000
Status : ?

Current Regional Rail / Light Rail System


Line : Penn line
Length : 87 mi
Stations : 13
Ridership : 20,000 > Projected 2020 Ridership : 40,000

Line : Camden line
Length : 35 mi
Stations : 12
Ridership : 5,400 > Projected 2020 Ridership : 8,000

Line : Brunswick line
Length : 82 mi
Stations : 19
Ridership : 7,800 > Projected 2020 Ridership : 15,000

Line : MTA Baltimore Light Rail
Length : 30 mi
Stations : 33
Ridership : 35,000 > Projected 2020 Ridership : 60,000

Line : Baltimore Subway
Length : 15 mi
Stations : 14
Ridership : 57,000 > Projected 2020 Ridership : 63,000
Where do you get your pojected ridership stats from? I find it highly unlikely that the light rail will experience an increase of 25,000 riders in 9 years.
 
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