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gee that great now lets starting paying the 850 million a year in interest charges we will own for the 12 billion dollars plus we are in debt for next year . LOLOLOLOLOL

That kinda like the crocidile dundee movie inwhich alberta is nick dundee and nova scotia is the black kid that tries to mug him with a switch blade.
"that not a knife son this is a knife" Alberta stading there with a 7.5 billion dollar surplus. LOLOLOLOLOL

That not a surplus alberta says THIS IS a SURPLUS.

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Jonestowncultinpicto said:
gee that great now lets starting paying the 850 million a year in interest charges we will own for the 12 billion dollars plus we are in debt for next year . LOLOLOLOLOL

That kinda like the crocidile dundee movie inwhich alberta is nick dundee and nova scotia is the black kid that tries to mug him with a switch blade.
"that not a knife son this is a knife" Alberta stading there with a 7.5 billion dollar surplus. LOLOLOLOLOL

That not a surplus alberta says THIS IS a SURPLUS.

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You're are soooooo annnoying. I know Alberta has a 7.5 billion dollar surplus....geeech.

This is good for Nova Scotia because the provinces books have been balanced for four year now and the surpluses are now getting more significant and are now paying down the debt. 830 million on the debt last year from the Atlantic accord and a decent size surplus thsi year. There is a long way to go thats for sure but we are now heading in the right direction.
 
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yes so lets add a billion on to the debt shall we for the commonwealth games. Do you actually think we will continue to get 21.5 percent of our budget paid for in transfer payments from the federal government with a surplus of 151 million ???? You see the hands are out too much for Stephen Harper not to believe he was right when he made his statement about atlantic canada. With the province at the table asking to restore health care funding pre liberal government and the surpluses , transfer payments and entertainign funding of 350 million in funding for the CWG's between the province and th city you are not going to have a receptive partner at the table feeding what they see as a soil brat that wants to rott its teeth on a pound of sugar everyday.

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yes so lets add a billion on to the debt shall we for the commonwealth games. Do you actually think we will continue to get 21.5 percent of our budget paid for in transfer payments from the federal government with a surplus of 151 million ???? You see the hands are out too much for Stephen Harper not to believe he was right when he made his statement about atlantic canada. With the province at the table asking to restore health care funding pre liberal government and the surpluses , transfer payments and entertainign funding of 350 million in funding for the CWG's between the province and th city you are not going to have a receptive partner at the table feeding what they see as a soil brat that wants to rott its teeth on a pound of sugar everyday.

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Jim, do you have anything good to say about anything? Someone makes a post about Nova Scotia making a surplus and somehow you find some way to find fault in it. If your so disgusted in this province, why dont you just move to Alberta??
 

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Jim, do you have anything good to say about anything? Someone makes a post about Nova Scotia making a surplus and somehow you find some way to find fault in it. If your so disgusted in this province, why dont you just move to Alberta??
They wouldn't want him. lol lol
 
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Jim, do you have anything good to say about anything? Someone makes a post about Nova Scotia making a surplus and somehow you find some way to find fault in it. If your so disgusted in this province, why dont you just move to Alberta??
Yes I do have something great to say about Nova Scotia. Thanks to John Hamm of stellarton nova scotia home of sobeys the largest nova scotia owned company and danny williams premier of newfoundland we may just convince stephen harper that we are capable of being responsible with money. Now we can go further and stop the Commonwealth Games/ Stadium crap avoiding that we will not have a tenant when Jean Charest my buddy reads my e mail and decides to build a stadium with the 100 million a year Quebec is investing in sport venues around quebec city.
A stadium is logical for the efford to bid on the 2022 games. They get a cfl team and have a tenant paying for venues they are starting to build 16 years in advance. the CFl no longer has a need to have a new franchise in the east to balance the schedule with the western teams. No specs changing for the stadium and they have great cost savings building the opening and closing ceremonies venue first.
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So, whats the difference between Halifax getting the commonwealth games and the CFL, and Quebec City getting the winter olympics and the CFL?
 
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well we dont have the tax bill and they do LOLOLLOLOLOL. and actualy quebec city has almost double the population , quebec has over six times the population of nova scotia . So hey they got the smokers funding the facilites at 19 cents a pack at six times the rate .
Very logical guy my buddy jean charest . I just happened to met him working for peter mackays first run at the MP's office.
Building the facilities without the deadline way in advance is what Abuja did. and Doha UAE has done that along with seville spain and pusan korea. You avoid the mess of european blackmail under a deadline. It seems Jean has learned the lesson of how to do it right like so many others.
THe Hrm could learn from him and others.

You see I would be for a commonwealth games if the proper master plan was done in 1969 and you developed logically but this is about a city too small for what this event has become having not money and thinking the Feds will come to the rescue. Sorry it is only going as far as peter mackay doing a very funny raw raw cheerleading luncheon and proclaiming moncton and halifax would share a CFL franchise. If that isnt a clue that you are being mocked I dont know what is. LOLOOLOLO

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Jonestowncultinpicto said:
well we dont have the tax bill and they do LOLOLLOLOLOL. and actualy quebec city has almost double the population , quebec has over six times the population of nova scotia . So hey they got the smokers funding the facilites at 19 cents a pack at six times the rate .
Very logical guy my buddy jean charest . I just happened to met him working for peter mackays first run at the MP's office.
Building the facilities without the deadline way in advance is what Abuja did. and Doha UAE has done that along with seville spain and pusan korea. You avoid the mess of european blackmail under a deadline. It seems Jean has learned the lesson of how to do it right like so many others.
THe Hrm could learn from him and others.

You see I would be for a commonwealth games if the proper master plan was done in 1969 and you developed logically but this is about a city too small for what this event has become having not money and thinking the Feds will come to the rescue. Sorry it is only going as far as peter mackay doing a very funny raw raw cheerleading luncheon and proclaiming moncton and halifax would share a CFL franchise. If that isnt a clue that you are being mocked I dont know what is. LOLOOLOLO

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Remember, this is a NATIONAL bid. Why are we breaking this down to the municipal or provincial level? Glasgow and Abuja both see their bids as national so what's the difference? I know your going to say our government isnt going to fund us and what not and really that would be a damn shame if they didnt.
 
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yes with no federal funding from the conservatives and an investigation pending to sports canada by the city of hamilton that spells unity and a national bid. considering glasgow has almost one million names and organizations signed on for support of the glasgow bid you can consider that to be a national movement by the citizens. Sebastan Coe the British olympic track star and IOC memberis now on broad the glasgow team . He is from the southern part of england I believe. Wheres Donovan Bailey? or Cindy Klassen or others in the canadian world of elite athletes in regards to the Halifax Bid?
Gosh glasgow has a former british olympic associaton president helping the glasgow bid . If it was a national bid maybe Dick Pound the vice president of the IOC and a canadain lawyer from montreal would help Halifax. You see the professionals from the rest of canada know that halifax is a bad attempt to win something that is going to africa.
I bet harper jumps on broad for quebec if the population says sure to jean charest. The tories didnt pick up anything in nova scotia and especially the Hrm. with tories coming a distant third and 20 points behind there is not need to reward a special interest group with little support in the HRM. It gains the tories nothing. Tax cuts in todays budget will be however the thing that will bring votes to the tories nation wide. They have a better shot in quebec with the colapse of the liberals and the citizens of quebec seeing the tories as the federal national party with members in every province except PEI.

Quebec could be rewarded for the seats they added to prime minister harpers victory that is more then all the seats in nova scotia.

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So, whats the difference between Halifax getting the commonwealth games and the CFL, and Quebec City getting the winter olympics and the CFL?
The biggest difference is that Quebec City in the eastern time zone of north america would reap 250 million off of american tv rights alone minimum , canada's right package for domestic coverage between rogers, tsn and CTV is 158 million dollars US for vancouver 2010. Then you have rights packages to the rest of the world and asia will become a huge player by that time. Quebec city 2022 could top one billion in TV rights or well over double of calgary's bonanza in 1988. With a good plan of constructing over time well before the bid Jean charest realizes that cost overuns are not going to be there like montreal.

The commowealth games in 2014 would be a 40 million dollar fee to the federation that halifax would have to pay and we would then lose 50 million like kerry packer did with melbourne 2006 because there is not the nations like the united states , western mainland europe, japan of china payingfor the CWG's like the winter games. India was a little over 200,000 us for tv right to manchester.
Outside of the UK,New Zealand and Australia about 2 million in tv right were obtained for a 40 million dollar fee to the federation. You might as well have handed the metro centre over to the brits in 1978 because that is equal to the loss kerry packer experienced this year.

with a population of 717,000 for the metro quebec city area and the first new stadium build for a cfl franchise quebec in 23 years that would be more attractive to the CFL then halifax. You have travel expenses not as high for the league and fans from Quebec easily able to travel by via rail high speed for toronto, montreal and hamilton games. No one is going to fly to halifax in the number that quebec city fans will go to cheer their team in montreal or vise versa.
those are the huge differences .
Hey I bet if quebec and calgary decide to compete for the same games calgary will not pull out like it did 3 month prior to the CWG's domestic bid awarding. It might be a damm shame in your opinion and others if they dont fund the bid but that is politics in canada and thus what I have been saying all along. The thing is progames people and halifax boosters get wrapped up emotionally and dont see or deny the realities of the economics of these games. The people of the HRM were played by Paul Martin and the liberals
as he knew it was a promise he would not have to fund. Economically you get a one month bump for a 2 billion dollar price tag atleast if not more. The commitment I heard was so far out of the need that it is really a morality crime. Martin put a hard cap on funding for the fina aquatic championships in his own neighboorhood last year . The figure I read in the herald was 350 million with a hard cap for the halifax CWG bid. That would have the city and province with huge debt problems that would double the cities debt. The city's current debt load is the reason taxes are high now. doubling the debt would have many people moving to hants county and beyond to commute to work and then take their wages to pay property tax at a much lower rate in elmsdale, lantz or other communities just outside the boraders ot the HRM. The same thing happened to a great extent with montreal with the summer games in 1976 . taxes and the separtists drove people to ontario and toronto.

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You think Quebec would somehow experience amazing TV revenues while Halifax would get a pittance because of a one hour time zone difference?

Quebec City has a larger metropolitan area but its hinterland is effectively smaller, mostly because Montreal is sitting just to the West. It's debatable whether Quebec or Halifax has the better market.

You'd have more credibility if you at least tried to present things in a somewhat balanced way.
 
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You think Quebec would somehow experience amazing TV revenues while Halifax would get a pittance because of a one hour time zone difference?

Quebec City has a larger metropolitan area but its hinterland is effectively smaller, mostly because Montreal is sitting just to the West. It's debatable whether Quebec or Halifax has the better market.

You'd have more credibility if you at least tried to present things in a somewhat balanced way.
No I dont think there is a difference between the time zones but it is the events and the audience. The TV rates for the olympics summer and winter always go way up when held in north america. with the commonwealth games you are paying nations to broadcast basically. there is no comparing a winter or summer olympics for tv revenes to the commonwealth games. The commonwealth games were a 50 million dollar loss for channel nine and they when the suckers in that CWG deal . If the games were held in halifax no broadcaster in canada is going to pay 20 million in broadcast costs and 40 million for the rights fee channel nine paid for australia.

The eastern time zone for olympics is the sweet zone for that event because of the population in that area is the most commerically attractive market for advertizers in the world. With the commonwealth games you have no interest in that market place what so ever.The is no interest in continential europe , japan,china and russia for the CWG's for anything of any value for a host.The atlantic time zone would be fine just like any time zone in north america for the olympics but Eastern time zone for an Eastern time zone event it the best combo. Lake placid is a town of 10,000 maybe 20,000 people . They did it with the time zone and STate of new york funds of course. Rio de janiero is being groomed to host the olympics as the first south american host and they are in the atlantic time zone which is still fine for the eastern united states.

The Pan American Games would actually give a committee more tv rights monies then asia, africa and india combined for the CWG's in 2006. The sweet spot for the CWG's tv rights is the greenich mean time zone in england.
Two cities for the CWG 2014 bid are in that zone Glasgow and Abuja.

The Pan Am games are bellow the stature of a CWG's but More profitable by far because TV rights are easy in that live coverage at reasonable times of the day are possible with the Pan Am games and you have the inclusion of the united states in the games.
Australians will have the same package for a halifax as canada had for melbourne. The halifax organizers will have to PAY australia to broadcast to keep site sponsors happy. In asia the network got the TV rights rate down from 450,000 us in manchester to 400,000 us for melbourne. Many of the asian nations were in the same type of time zone difference with the event as an olmypics held in lake placid or los angeles. Yet the rates went Down.The Asians know they have a melbourne over a barrell where two sponsors like microsoft and telstra are paying 20 million a piece for exposuire to a 1 billion pulls audience. with one free to air network in India nationwide the Indains put the screws to the CWG's. India did not pay the mere 600,000 us that the melbourne committee demanded as they paid a little over 200,000 us for the manchester games. India, the other asian countries and africa dont even make 1 million dollars in right revenues simply because they cry poor and know that with broadcasts into their markets the mircosofts, cadbury shwepps and Telstra's dont get what they were told they would get for 20 million a peice. The sponsorship goal was only met to 50 percent of the goal of 400 million for melbourne. Sobeys is not going to turn over 20 million or Scotiabank because there is little value in the markets they serve.
Sponsorship money for the Commonwealth games ammounts to local charity and Sobeys especially are not handing that type of cash that would ammount to about half of their profits a few years ago.
If Nova Scotia wanted to better spend 60 million on tourist advertizement 60 million would probably do a great deal on CNN international and reach all the world not just far flung part of the old british empire.

So quebec city is an hinterland huh . then explain how they have an 18.500 seat football stadium filled for every game of the Laval university football club.
They have the Pepsi Colusee a 16,000 seat arena that was home to an nhl team which moved to a bigger market place in denver just like winnipeg lost the jets to phoenix. The old Quebec city and Montreal team rivalry could be of great value to a CFL . That rivalry certainly kept the nordic in quebec city for a while and was valuable to both clubs at the box office. They have a high speed via rail link that also connects them with Toronto and Hamilton. Pretty easy to see Quebec could be home to the renegade this season with no trouble and show the CFL the value. Huskie staduim 2000 seats and a company from maryland has to be hired to bring 10,000 temporary seats. Until there is a logical stadium plan based on events that dont require a billion to 2 billion dollars there will never be a stadium or CFl franchise in halifax.

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Personally I don't think QuebecCity could make a go of a CFL franchise. I just don't think it has the appeal to French Canadians as oppose to English Can.
Its not the population size but rather the patronage by its local citizens.
If you want just look to Sask and their small population especially when they play in Regina with just 195,000.
 
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Personally I don't think QuebecCity could make a go of a CFL franchise. I just don't think it has the appeal to French Canadians as oppose to English Can.
Its not the population size but rather the patronage by its local citizens.
If you want just look to Sask and their small population especially when they play in Regina with just 195,000.

well you may be right as far as tastes between French Canadians and western Canadians but Montreal has been sucessful as a franchise since moving into the McGill Molson Stadium. The Ti cats and the Argos of course have had their problems which have recently been cured it seems for now. League ownership was needed though. Quebec City with the Laval university team outdraws the huskie stadiums maximum capicity of 2000 by a factor of 8 to 1 for their average attendance since 2001. Does interest in college football translate into professional franchise success? that would be a flip of a coin but
if famous player theatres has multi-plexes filled without any competition in an area it is not too long before empire has a place down the street.

My money would be in the place with the higher numbers by a minimum factor of 8 to 1 for their average crowds. For Quebec city a good trial would be to have a Quebec city touchdown and see what happens . bet they fill the stadium and break the record of 19200 set for a laval game against Mc gill last year. with the capicity in place at peps they come even bring the tickets down one third to what atlantic touchdown was in 2005. without the expense of 10000 temporary seats to halifax they could even go as low as half the prince halifiax had. That would be a true test between the two cities as hlaifax getting twice the ticket price for a little less then half the capcity needed was very good.

Personally I think two exhibition games a year divided between the two city certainly would development the league even for their TV audience in areas then dont have franchises in .
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If there was a "Touchdown Quebec" (and I'm fairly sure there was one a few years ago) it would only be a fair comparison if the tickets cost the same as they did in Halifax. I'm not sure if that's what you just said, or the opposite of what you just said, because as usualy clarity didn't seem to be a priority for you.
 
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If there was a "Touchdown Quebec" (and I'm fairly sure there was one a few years ago) it would only be a fair comparison if the tickets cost the same as they did in Halifax. I'm not sure if that's what you just said, or the opposite of what you just said, because as usualy clarity didn't seem to be a priority for you.
Ok for comparsion Halifax is paying twice as much as the ticket price in CFL markets. The event is costly to put on with the importation of the temporary seating that is a given. So your capacity for that event is half of the break even point of a normal CFL franchise according to the league.

Now Quebec has an 18,500 seat PEPS stadium and you have a market that is charging between 20 to 30 dollars a game in montreal a couple of hours away by car or a high speed train ride. Quebecs price should reflect the reality that they are in the montreal market to a degree. I would say charging one third less for capacity diffrence between halifax and quebec is a fair gauge to judge by. Quebec has to sell out their stadium and have the same gate to be equal. But if quebec sells at the same price as halifax with with montreals influence and comes in at 14000 I dont think that is a fair essessment either even with a higher gate in quebec. It is about the numbers and the gate combined.

If quebec sells to record capacity which is 19,200 @ 40 dollars then that is a clear winner over halifax for gate receipts and crowd numbers.
Halifax with touchdown atlantic had what ammounts to 24,000 fans at normal prices. If quebec was the same price and drew a capacity crowd then you could say they drew 38,400 fans. Halifax is it is said had more demand then tickets available. what you do with the pricing is you account for A. increased demand in halifax because of lower capacity and the league not having an influence in the market place presenting a novelity event . B quebecs advantage of having more people locally but the influence of montreal tickets being lower by 50 percent compared to the halifax market.

that is how I see it because both markets and situations are not the same at all. You want to know what the performance is in relative terms under somewhat equal conditions to make a good essessment.

You see in the end here's what I would favour for the hrm. Take 80 million that you would spend on Commonwealth Games tv and merchantdize rights that go to the federation which is really pouring money down the drain. Fore go the CWG's and build a stadium without the price tag that will probably be about 2 billion for the games. The field surface for the CWG's in melbourne was 18 million au dollars alone. You make propose built and expandable without the CWG's and that would make sense with lower costs. The expansion factor has to be there because we are hearing the metro centre less then 30 years into its life now has to be replaced with a bigger building. the the original price on the Metro Centre being about 50 million to not have expansion capablity was very short sited.It would ahve made sense to have the provisions for a 100 million dollar expansion then to build a new building at 250 million. The claim of 150 milion for a new metro centre is off as larger stadiums that they are talking about are in the 200 million to 250 million dollar range US as of the last decade.



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