Given Australia's vast uranium deposits, and large areas devoid of the natural risks which could contribute to a disaster, seems like it's an option which should be considered.
Nuclear Power
I didn't know if this belonged here or in the Skybar, so I'm happy if it's moved.
There was some of topic discussion in another thread about nuclear power so I thought I'd start a thread.
To kick it off:
Texas Nuke Plant Stays Online Amid Harvey. Give Credit To Resilient Operators, Robust Design And A Plan
Meanwhile, wind and solar didn't produce much at all as a result of the storm.
There was some of topic discussion in another thread about nuclear power so I thought I'd start a thread.
To kick it off:
Texas Nuke Plant Stays Online Amid Harvey. Give Credit To Resilient Operators, Robust Design And A Plan
Meanwhile, wind and solar didn't produce much at all as a result of the storm.
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I know it's expensive, however per stable kwh, all non polluting sources are.
What's the cost of electricity in France when compared with Germany?
What's the cost of electricity in France when compared with Germany?
Let's put a real price on carbon and see what the market comes up with. I bet you anything nobody smart will be investing in nuclear power over solar and storage technologies.
Because you can't do it in Australia. Simple.
Look at the difference in carbon emissions between Germany and France.
Look at the difference in carbon emissions between Germany and France.
Half the price almostI know it's expensive, however per stable kwh, all non polluting sources are.
What's the cost of electricity in France when compared with Germany?
http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statis..._half_of_year,_2013–15_(EUR_per_kWh)_YB16.png
Czech Republic gets most of its power from 2 nuclear plants as well and has almost the lowest price per kwh. Hungary has the lowest and they're nuclear as well (4 reactors).
Keep in mind though that we (CR) and Hungary have the older soviet style reactors and France is far more modernised.
Poland almost has the cheapest power but never had nucelar. As far as I know they are going nuclear at the moment.
Keep in mind Germany's reactors are still running.
All this really proves is there is a hell of a lot more than input costs that go in to energy costs
That's what I assumed.
You can't look at the price of theoretical output, you need to look at the price of actual output. Actual output of nuclear is close to 100% of theoretical.
You can't look at the price of theoretical output, you need to look at the price of actual output. Actual output of nuclear is close to 100% of theoretical.
I think one has to look at the nuclear option for base load back up but hard to see it happening when the rage is now for solar and storage technologies. Plus where in all honesty could you build a nuclear power plant in Australia that wouldn't produce nimbyism and outrage?
Any plant would have to be built near a good water supply, easily connect into the power grid and who is going to finance it? It would probably be suicide for any sitting member of Parliament to endorse a nuclear power plant to be built in their electorate.
Any plant would have to be built near a good water supply, easily connect into the power grid and who is going to finance it? It would probably be suicide for any sitting member of Parliament to endorse a nuclear power plant to be built in their electorate.
In the medium term, there's too many intellectually backward greenies in this country for anything other than the Lucas Heights reactor to exist. The development of fusion reactors may (in the long term) change the mind of the electorate
I know. Can't even build a coal mine or LNG processing facility without nimbys trying to kill it. Can't even build a Maccas in some places.I think one has to look at the nuclear option for base load back up but hard to see it happening when the rage is now for solar and storage technologies. Plus where in all honesty could you build a nuclear power plant in Australia that wouldn't produce nimbyism and outrage?
Any plant would have to be built near a good water supply, easily connect into the power grid and who is going to finance it? It would probably be suicide for any sitting member of Parliament to endorse a nuclear power plant to be built in their electorate.
I think you would have more chance Ryan running a new Macca's franchise than running a newly built Nuclear power station and probably more financially viable. Big Mac and a medium fries thanksI know. Can't even build a coal mine or LNG processing facility without nimbys trying to kill it. Can't even build a Maccas in some places.
Can't even build a Mosque in some places!
You do realise those prices are in Euros right? As in both the residential and wholesale prices on average across the EU are higher than in Australia?I know it's expensive, however per stable kwh, all non polluting sources are.
What's the cost of electricity in France when compared with Germany?
Nuclear isn't even in the picture for cost effectiveness, the only reason nuclear countries appear to have cheaper power is because of the huge explicit and implicit subsidies that come from taxpayer support.
Consumers still pay, they just pay through their tax bill rather than through their electricity bill.
And Australian tax payers pay through the nose for greenhouse mitigation - both through taxes AND higher prices, something a nuclear nation like France gets for free (with 1/3rd the er capita co2 emissions of Australia).You do realise those prices are in Euros right? As in both the residential and wholesale prices on average across the EU are higher than in Australia?
Nuclear isn't even in the picture for cost effectiveness, the only reason nuclear countries appear to have cheaper power is because of the huge explicit and implicit subsidies that come from taxpayer support.
Consumers still pay, they just pay through their tax bill rather than through their electricity bill.
Do tell? What are these policies Australians are paying through the nose for?
The only thing costing Australians money at the moment is the cost of the ******* about on climate policy. If we had a policy in place, any policy, we'd be paying shitloads less for electricity.
The only thing costing Australians money at the moment is the cost of the ******* about on climate policy. If we had a policy in place, any policy, we'd be paying shitloads less for electricity.
Id argue if the the RET didn't exist, other renewables subsidies schemes were not in place and the various state governments stopped restrictions on onshore gas exploration and extraction, power prices in this country would be around 2/3 of the current level. There is layer upon layer of government interference in the energy market. Government intervention has wildly distorted what should be a competitive energy market and made investment decisions almost impossible (without some sort of government capital cost, financing or price support). Policy is being prioritised by emissions reductions over cost of power to consumers. The power industry itself doesn't care because it benefits from a shortage of supply and higher prices. Its energy intensive industry and the poor that are suffering. Its a monumental government policy failure and Canberra is largely to blameDo tell? What are these policies Australians are paying through the nose for?
The only thing costing Australians money at the moment is the cost of the ******* about on climate policy. If we had a policy in place, any policy, we'd be paying shitloads less for electricity.
No other area on earth is better suited for nuclear energy than australia, the australian landmass sits in the middle of its tectonic plate, well away from the active faultline, this takes away the danger of a 'Fukushima' like disaster, NZ to the east and PNG and Indonesia to the north sit on a very active faultline and any nuclear power plant should be built in safe elevated region or some distance off the coastline to eradicate any potential tsumai.
Out of all tbe renewables, wind is the most impractical, just looking at the amount of maintnance is reuired to maintain the wind turbine and the fact the whole systm requires the use of an outside power source to function (basically it needs to use energy to produce it) is ridiculous,
No matter the wind condition, the turbines need to be rotating so as to prevent them seizing up, but more importantly preventing the turbine from stopping jn no wind then stsrting up in better conditions prevents the high starting current required by the AC motor to start up.
Solar power has the most potential for australia in australian conditions. In recent times technology has improved in both the efficiency of the cells and in battery storage, the fact that solar energy is instant was and is the big thing holding solar energy back, other than puttinv it back into the grid, if you didnt use the power coming from your solar panels as it was collected it would just be lost, now battery storage 'technology' is being promoted as the thing that solar tecnology has been waiting for, but battery tchnology has been around for many years (i have maintsined and even help build solar off the grid using batteries 15 or more years ago, it isnt new, and seriously it is def not the answer in how to store solar energy.
Ages ago when i first saw the large nicad batteries used in solar setups, they were made in australia or some other westrn nation, and nowerdays theyre mass produced in china or some other 3rd world nation with lax ltheir aws and view regarding human ssfety and the environment. The same dangrous chmicals are used in battries today, asell the same chemicals and beavy industry is needed to produce the chmicals and metals used in the bstteries, just because we (Australians) do not see first hand the industrial side of the battery production, all the non renewables energy used, the carbon used and all the pollutents created, se cannot just ignore or pretend that they are not happening overseas for us to be able to use the battries to store the solar energy, and just becuase its no longer happening in our backyard we cant just ignore the dirty process used in battery priductin production and pretend using them with solar power is still 'clean renewable energy'
Just think of the negstive consequences in our actions, since we have globalised and had the abily to buy goods (like solar setup batteries) in bigger quanity and for much cheaper. But some of these new economies are not letting anything get in the way of progress and wealth, and this includes its citizens n the environment, so when i think back to when i was around tgese batteries and how corrosive and poisionous the liquid contents were, how i would have to wear facial masks and gloves to protect my skin, or the fumes that would come out of them if they leaked and thhe hazmat needed, it makes me wonder how much containments like that could very likely impact alot of poor people over there, and all that so we can get the product cheap.
Australia needs to go NUCLEAR!
We could ssfely have nuclear energy in every state, there are MULTIPLE locations in all states that would be suitabke to build one.Along the east coast there best locations i think would be around the lakes region where coal plants are cuttently, or in the mountains, in tasmainia there would be many suitable places, the northern territory is the perfect place (outside cyclone region) the south east and the north tempretures across the seasons in alot of australia does not see massive variables, and how large areas of australja is isolaed or sparsely populated.
our uranium deposits are located in northern SA, the NT and western WA, and the best locations for nuclear powerplants would be in a spot that can be as close to the deposiit as possible (help with safety/security in travelling and transporting), a location as least populated as possible (safety concerns and minimise safety costs) and near a large volume of water.
Australia has around 30-50% of the worlds uranium, with some of the highest grade, so if we are happy to sell our uranium to overseas countries who get to use our uranium to power their cities, and if we are content to still sell our uranium to nations after knowing some had been used to make nuclesr weapons then seriiusly there should not be any fuss with australia using its uranium and going nuclear.
Out of all tbe renewables, wind is the most impractical, just looking at the amount of maintnance is reuired to maintain the wind turbine and the fact the whole systm requires the use of an outside power source to function (basically it needs to use energy to produce it) is ridiculous,
No matter the wind condition, the turbines need to be rotating so as to prevent them seizing up, but more importantly preventing the turbine from stopping jn no wind then stsrting up in better conditions prevents the high starting current required by the AC motor to start up.
Solar power has the most potential for australia in australian conditions. In recent times technology has improved in both the efficiency of the cells and in battery storage, the fact that solar energy is instant was and is the big thing holding solar energy back, other than puttinv it back into the grid, if you didnt use the power coming from your solar panels as it was collected it would just be lost, now battery storage 'technology' is being promoted as the thing that solar tecnology has been waiting for, but battery tchnology has been around for many years (i have maintsined and even help build solar off the grid using batteries 15 or more years ago, it isnt new, and seriously it is def not the answer in how to store solar energy.
Ages ago when i first saw the large nicad batteries used in solar setups, they were made in australia or some other westrn nation, and nowerdays theyre mass produced in china or some other 3rd world nation with lax ltheir aws and view regarding human ssfety and the environment. The same dangrous chmicals are used in battries today, asell the same chemicals and beavy industry is needed to produce the chmicals and metals used in the bstteries, just because we (Australians) do not see first hand the industrial side of the battery production, all the non renewables energy used, the carbon used and all the pollutents created, se cannot just ignore or pretend that they are not happening overseas for us to be able to use the battries to store the solar energy, and just becuase its no longer happening in our backyard we cant just ignore the dirty process used in battery priductin production and pretend using them with solar power is still 'clean renewable energy'
Just think of the negstive consequences in our actions, since we have globalised and had the abily to buy goods (like solar setup batteries) in bigger quanity and for much cheaper. But some of these new economies are not letting anything get in the way of progress and wealth, and this includes its citizens n the environment, so when i think back to when i was around tgese batteries and how corrosive and poisionous the liquid contents were, how i would have to wear facial masks and gloves to protect my skin, or the fumes that would come out of them if they leaked and thhe hazmat needed, it makes me wonder how much containments like that could very likely impact alot of poor people over there, and all that so we can get the product cheap.
Australia needs to go NUCLEAR!
We could ssfely have nuclear energy in every state, there are MULTIPLE locations in all states that would be suitabke to build one.Along the east coast there best locations i think would be around the lakes region where coal plants are cuttently, or in the mountains, in tasmainia there would be many suitable places, the northern territory is the perfect place (outside cyclone region) the south east and the north tempretures across the seasons in alot of australia does not see massive variables, and how large areas of australja is isolaed or sparsely populated.
our uranium deposits are located in northern SA, the NT and western WA, and the best locations for nuclear powerplants would be in a spot that can be as close to the deposiit as possible (help with safety/security in travelling and transporting), a location as least populated as possible (safety concerns and minimise safety costs) and near a large volume of water.
Australia has around 30-50% of the worlds uranium, with some of the highest grade, so if we are happy to sell our uranium to overseas countries who get to use our uranium to power their cities, and if we are content to still sell our uranium to nations after knowing some had been used to make nuclesr weapons then seriiusly there should not be any fuss with australia using its uranium and going nuclear.
Sounds like a great idea (nuclear that is), just build the actual plants far away from the east coast, like near Perth or Adelaide (to be on the safe side!). Safety first!
I would also argue there was also little investment in maintaining Poles and wires over many years and there was a need for a lot of catch up on aged assets that was then past on to consumers. Charges for our “poles and wires” form one of the largest component of the electricity price. As for the gas there seems no shortage of the stuff to export. There is government intervention and regulation but some of that is to meet higher reliability standards and yes there are charges to allow for environmental programs like the Renewable Energy Target but the current uncertainty is what makes private energy providers and their financial backers undecided on how best to proceed.Id argue if the the RET didn't exist, other renewables subsidies schemes were not in place and the various state governments stopped restrictions on onshore gas exploration and extraction, power prices in this country would be around 2/3 of the current level. There is layer upon layer of government interference in the energy market. Government intervention has wildly distorted what should be a competitive energy market and made investment decisions almost impossible (without some sort of government capital cost, financing or price support). Policy is being prioritised by emissions reductions over cost of power to consumers. The power industry itself doesn't care because it benefits from a shortage of supply and higher prices. Its energy intensive industry and the poor that are suffering. Its a monumental government policy failure and Canberra is largely to blame
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