Great post Maxants. I will endeavour to learn more about New Urbanism...
Yes let's rebuild the past and also let's scrap all cars and get people riding penny farthings into the city. Nothing days progression like rebuilding crappy slum likes areas from the past.
A nostalgia for what is lost forever is common, but what about the excitement of the new? Surely, this forum is testament to that?!I would do anything, anything, to get into a time machine and visit 'Old Manchester'.
I would then do anything, anything again, to get into a time machine and ask those folks in the 40s, 50s, 60s and 70s just what they thought they were doin'.
The issue is not about aesthetics - thats largely subjective. The issue is that modern planning - vertical sprawl, blocks not streets, lifts not stairs, big open spaces not parks, feeder roads not high streets - these qualities make modern planning detrimental to health, community, safety ect.Also, regarding planning, good modernist housing often provides ample green space and stops the endless sprawl into the green belt. Moreover, it is often postmodern additions that disturb the overall flows and aesthetics that ruin these place, but the modernist design gets the blame - look at Coventry's precinct, for example, to see how green space and clear lines of sight have been eroded over time.
To quote the post that triggered this thread; this looks like it would be a welcome new (old) kind of feature. New builds are usually glass, rarely stone and if brick is used it's a modern brick style usually accompanied with some poor grey panelling like on many city centre apartment buildings.Demolish it and rebuild Withy Grove! Something unique that no other city has....
Did this approach take other areas into consideration? Well off people often live in leafy suburbs with big houses and plenty of nice parks, whereas its the poorer people who live in tower blocks. I do agree that modernism's love affair with the car was unfortunate, however!The issue is not about aesthetics - thats largely subjective. The issue is that modern planning - vertical sprawl, blocks not streets, lifts not stairs, big open spaces not parks, feeder roads not high streets - these qualities make modern planning detrimental to health, community, safety ect.
What I'm saying is that an evidence base has formed which says - yes, the modernist approach is to blame. This is not just supposition - its actual science.
The legend is thus. (if you are to believe Private Eye, Tameside Eye, old MEN clippings on microthingy and erm my grand da.To quote the post that triggered this thread; this looks like it would be a welcome new (old) kind of feature. New builds are usually glass, rarely stone and if brick is used it's a modern brick style usually accompanied with some poor grey panelling like on many city centre apartment buildings.
There's a little example of this (kind of) walk through/under just behind St Anne's Church as you walk though to King Street. I think there's a glasses shop, a Barbour and an Hermès there. I think it works and would be really interesting on a grander scale.
I don't particularly like Arcades, like Leeds has, they're okay. We have the Barton Arcade but I usually enter/leave Ran around the back as I've walked up Police Street to get there, and I don't walk through the Arcade. I don't like indoor shopping like the Trafford Centre or the Arndale neither. Why I like Manchester city centre so much is because you can be outside a lot of the time. I like being outside, I like fresh air and seeing the outside of interesting buildings this sort of thing that I have quoted would be that sort of thing. I prefer that rather than shopping indoors.
To hazard a guess about the as yet failure of Manchester's "Extension" as communities is that they are not directed towards families. It's a glorified student campus.The Eixample. Ah I could fill a entire thread on that. I once sat with friends drinking red wine amongst families and children on a warm April evening thinking why is it that when they built "extensions" to UK cities it is either the Green Quarter or Brunswick estate and at best New Islington?
We know the answer, but let us drift off and imagine in 50 years, some one grasps housing out of the hands of despotic investment funds, greedy pay to let invest landlords and uncouth developers and we can our own Eixamples.