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If there was one new transit line or major transit project you could wish for your town tomorrow what and where would it be? Include some major streets and points of interest it would serve.

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The extension of the Purple Line down Wilshire stopping at Beverly Hills/Rodeo Drive, Century City, Westwood/Westwood Village/UCLA, and Santa Monica. Both residents and tourists would be able to get around the city with much more ease.

The next one I'd choose would be an extension of the Red Line from its current terminus at Hollywood/Highland down Sunset Blvd., eventually meeting up with the Purple Line.

And the next one would be the Downtown Connector proposal, extending the Blue Line to Union Station.

And the next one would be extending the Green Line to LAX.

And the next one would be maybe a line running alongside the 405 Freeway.

I know we're only allowed to choose one, so the Purple Line extension down Wilshire would definitely be my first choice. The order of the rest is debatable.

President of Catan
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I don't know. Maybe light rail from DT to the University of Louisville, the airport and UPS. Or perhaps turning I-64 into a major parkway and removing the elevation DT.
But Louisville has already got its transportation platter full for the next 20 years or so... oi. We can only hope light rail is next in line.

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commuter rail from Georgetown to Nicholasville passing through Lexington on some existing freight tracks with 14 stations at all the major roads it intersects with. I proposed this to my councilperson a couple months ago.

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For San Francisco:

An underground rail metro loop:

Starting at The Caltrain terminus, going under 4th/Stockton to North Point, under North Point to Van Ness, under Van Ness to 11th/Divison/Townsend to the start at the Caltrain terminus.

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Simple, complete the BART loop around the Bay Area, from Fremont to San Jose, then back from San Jose to Millbrae
gladisimo, you get a free wish here: GO FOR IT:

make it a complete BART loop around the bay area with what you said, but also extend north past Richmond and around the north end of the bay, then south into Marin and cross the Golden Gate (either by the bridge itself or by a tunnel) to Geary and on to Market Street.

now that would finish off BART the way God intended!

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BART, the Bay Area's much discussed transit system has turned 50. In today's San Francisco Chronicle, they write about some of the things to look forward to with BART in the next 50 years.


Michael Cabanatuan, Chronicle Staff Writer

Friday, June 22, 2007

Fifty years from now, BART riders might commute to San Francisco through a second Transbay Tube and travel down a new rail line along Geary Boulevard or take trains along Interstate 680 from Fremont to Martinez.

They could ride on driverless trains with cars featuring six doors, more standing room and flat-panel video screens that show maps, news and weather reports. Trains running closer together could serve new stations in places such as Jack London Square in Oakland, 30th and Mission streets in San Francisco, and Solano Avenue in Albany. Some trains might skip stops, quickly speeding commuters from distant stations to Oakland and San Francisco.

Those possibilities are part of the vision that BART and regional transportation officials have for the Bay Area's transportation backbone decades into the future. It was 50 years ago this month that the Legislature formed the Bay Area Rapid Transit District. BART officials figure now is a good time to plot a big-picture vision for the next 50. That effort coincides with a regional rail plan being prepared by a variety of Bay Area transportation agencies.

At a meeting in Oakland on Thursday, transportation experts discussed their ideas for what BART should become by the time it hits its centennial.

"What is BART's role going to be, and how do we shape that over the next 50 years?" said BART General Manager Tom Margro. He will be leaving BART on June 29 after more than 10 years on the job, according to a press release.

The shape suggested Thursday seems to be compact and focused on the core BART system instead of dependent on far-reaching extensions. Along with building the planned extensions to Warm Springs and San Jose, an Oakland airport connection and a light-rail link known as eBART in eastern Contra Costa County, BART's plans call for the system to boost its capacity in the central part of its system -- in San Francisco and the East Bay.

Making room for those riders might entail adding escalators, elevators and stairways to congested stations and installing see-through platform walls and boarding doors like those on airport people-movers such as San Francisco International Airport's AirTrain.

Stations also would feature more real-time information on trains and connecting transit services, and the concourse levels would have more retail outlets. Neighborhood stations would be surrounded by residential and commercial development.

BART trains also would be redesigned to speed travel and increase capacity. A third door on each side would make it faster to load and unload trains and allow BART to run more trains closer together. Fewer seats near the doors would increase room for bicycles and people who stand. Trains also would feature electronic signs that announce the next station as well as indicate on which side doors will open.

As BART ridership grows, the system needs to be able to offer "show-and-go service," said Elizabeth Deakin, a UC Berkeley transportation planning professor.

"You just show up at the station, head to the platform and hop on a train" within a couple of minutes, she said.

The BART of the future also should offer express trains from destinations such as Concord and Walnut Creek that would skip some stations en route to San Francisco, cutting several minutes from the trip. To offer that service, BART would need to install additional stretches of track that would allow trains to pass each other.

But the biggest -- and costliest -- improvement would be the addition of a second Transbay Tube. By 2030, the current tube will be at capacity, unable to handle additional trains, said Tom Matoff, a transportation planner working on the regional rail plan.

"Realistically, putting in a new bay tube is going to take 20 to 30 years,'' he said, "so this is the time to start thinking about it."

Building a new tube also would give BART the opportunity to expand service in San Francisco and the East Bay. A new tube, Matoff suggested, could be part of a line that serves Alameda before going beneath the bay and emerging at the Transbay Terminal, where it could connect with high-speed rail and a downtown Caltrain extension. The new tube would have four bores, he said, two for BART and two for high-speed or other trains.

"What happens when it gets to the city is undoubtedly going to be the subject of many studies," he said.

But planners are suggesting the line could head west through the South of Market area before turning north down Van Ness, where it would connect to Muni Metro's Van Ness station and connect to the main BART line. From there, he said, it could head out Geary Boulevard, to the Presidio, or perhaps to North Beach -- all areas of San Francisco poorly served by transit.

BART would choose future extensions carefully -- and consider using other technology such as light rail or conventional diesel trains to serve outlying areas.

Traditional BART extensions might be built from Richmond to Hercules and along I-680. A Hercules extension could lure drivers off congested I-80 and link with the Capitol Corridor trains.

The I-680 line would start at the future Warm Springs Station, connect with the Dublin/Pleasanton and Walnut Creek stations, and end in downtown Martinez, where it would meet the Capitol Corridor, San Joaquin and long-distance Amtrak trains.

BART's vision would help relieve the congestion expected as the Bay Area grows to 10 million people by 2050, but it would create other challenges, transit expert Vukan Vuchic, a University of Pennsylvania professor, pointed out.

"The main problem," he said, "is the billions of dollars it would cost."

And while the experts had plenty of suggestions on Thursday, nobody offered a solution to that dilemma.

Online resources:

Envisioning BART's next 50 years
Some of the ideas discussed by transportation experts during Tuesday's meeting on the future of

Extensions/New Lines

1 A second Transbay Tube, south of existing tube

A possible route could go from Oakland, through Alameda, to the Transbay Terminal in San Francisco, then extend south to Van Ness Avenue. From there, it could go down Van Ness either to the Presidio or North Beach.

2 Extension of Richmond line to Hercules, with connection to Capitol Corridor

Also could include park-and-ride lots to relieve congestion on I-80.

3 Possible new line from planned Warm Springs station, along I-680, via Dublin/Pleasanton and Walnut Creek stations, to Martinez

From there, it would connect with the Capitol Corridor/San Joaquin/Amtrak trains.

4 A fourth set of rails through downtown Oakland

Train Improvements

New cars with three doors on each side (instead of two) and more standing room near doors.

Station boarding areas with see-through barrier walls and platform doors.

Onboard electronic signage.

Source: Chronicle reporting
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