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Oh no

Japanese urban buses are the worst in the world.No sitting room for the legs.Slow becasue of the high volume of traffic signals
The buses in Japan are ugly. That's what all I can say.
Kyoto buses are so infamous for the haughty and discourteous drivers (worst in Japan no doubt)
DoubleR said:
The buses in Japan are ugly. That's what all I can say.
But Japan buses are very clean.
coldstar said:
Kyoto buses are so infamous for the haughty and discourteous drivers (worst in Japan no doubt)
Really? I drove to Kyoto with my car, but I have never used bus in Kyoto.
It is more likely that Kyoto bus gives nasty attitude to people in general. :yes:
This thread is dedicated to the urban transport systems of Greater Osaka and the Kansai area in general.

Transportation overview
The main transport method in Osaka is public transit, walking and bicycling with private automobile transportation playing a smaller role. Trips by bicycle (including joint trips with railway) in Osaka is at 32.3% with railway trips having the highest share at 36.2%. Private automobiles and motorcycles play a secondary role in urban transport with private automobiles only having a 9.5% modal share in Osaka. The system for paying is also advanced with NFC cards or phones being used to pay in a second, as well as being usable as a credit card in restaurants and many other features.

Rail statistics
Greater Osaka: 13 million passengers daily; 4.7 billion yearly the 2nd highest in the world.
Greater Osaka Subway alone: 2.92 million daily; 1.06 billion yearly. Represents 22% of total rail ridership.

Map of the greater Osaka rail system:

Full size can be viewed here: (click the image for full size).

Approximate "central" Osaka rail system:

Maps made by FML
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Video I took of the view of Kobe from the train

Video I took from an automated guideway transit "port liner" to Kobe Airport

A video I took from JR Kobu Line Special Rapid to Himeji from Kobe

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Since we're sharing our own photos, I just thought I'd include a few photos I took of the Kansai area back in 2010 (sorry, they're a little old now). The weather was generally awful though as it was April, so a lot of my shots are in rain! :lol:

First, leaving Tokyo on the Tokaido Shinkansen (JR Central) and arriving at Kyoto station:

High quality tracks, no?

Little shot of the Shinkansen interior

Kyoto station shots!

Saga Arashiyama station in Kyoto

Kintetsu Osaka Namba station - was under construction while I was there. Probably looks a lot better now.

Kintetsu Nara station

JR Nara Station

Unfortunately, I just realised how little of the public transport system I captured in this trip. I was too busy taking pictures of street scenes and temples. :lol:
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Pricing system on JR West

I have been travelling on JR West trains for years but have just noticed something very odd in their fare pricing structure.

I had always assumed that if you took a train from station A to B, went out the ticket gates, and then back in before continuing on a different line to station C - that it would cost you more than if you just switched platforms at station B. It appears this is not the case.

To give you a concrete example: Travelling from Sakaishi to Kyoto (via Osaka) by JR costs 1080yen. Sakaishi to Osaka costs 300. Osaka to Kyoto costs 560. So by not walking in and out of the gates at Osaka station I end up paying an extra 220 yen...

I checked if Hankyu had a similar system, but theirs is the opposite - which is much more logical. For example, if travelling from Kawaramachi in Kyoto to Sannomiya in Kobe - you would pay an extra 100 yen if you decided to leave and re-enter the station at Juso.

Can anybody explain the reasoning behind JR`s pricing system?
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This pricing difference comes from tariff scheme called "densha tokutei kukan"(電車特定区間). This is a non-linear tariff that gives discounts on shorter trips within a high-traffic urban/suburban zone, particularly on lines which have a parallel competing private railway line. Also, in the Osaka case you provided, the Osaka Loop Line has a special tariff that is even cheaper than the one above. On a longer cross-country journey such as Sakai-shi to Kyoto, which traverses multiple lines on one ticket, the longer route-km incurs a higher fare than if you purchase shorter section tickets, which use the discounted lower ranges of the tariff table.

Apparently the densha tokutei kukan has origins in the JNR in the late sixties and seventies, when fares were rising frequently, placing JNR at a disadvantage to the private railway competitors- this pricing scheme was introduced to address this issue.
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Originally posted in Japan transport thread:

Kintetsu-Nara Line elevation completed

The project was developed in Higashiōsaka city. 3,3 kilometers was elevated from the Kinki Highway bridge to Higashi-Hanazono Nara-bound connection with a rolling stock depot in the area.


The project affects three stations: Wakae-Iwata, Kawachi-Hanazono and Higashi-Hanazono.

In May 2010 was completed the elevation for the Nara-bound tracks and now, in September 2014 the oposite track (Osaka-bound).

· Higashi-Hanazono Station

Higashi-Hanazono view from Kawachi-Hanazono. The train is an express train for Osaka-Namba terminal.

Higashi-Hanazono Station. Two general tracks and two side tracks.

Appearance of the two station platforms.

LCD screens for the platforms information. Kintetsu prefers this than the typical madre with LED.

Waiting room.

Seats in the platform with screens for the wind.

Information pannel.

Vending Machines with Kintetsu Liners rugby team decoration.


Down to the lobby.

More stairs.

Lobby in the fare-area (is correct to say that to the lobby after pass the fare machines?)

Ticket machines and other information of the line and Kintetsu Network map.

Nara-bound straight. On the left, the connection to the rolling stock depot. The green wall on the right was the old Osaka-bound track.


· Kawachi-Hanazono Station

This is the "middle" station. Two general tracks and two platforms in every side. The Osaka-bound platform still incompleted.

Kawachi-Hanazono station coming from Wakaeiwata.

Typical design for a typical station.

The wall occupies the space for the automatic stair (エスカレーター). I suppose they need to remove the all tracks to continue the station works.


View to the Nara-bound side.

View to the Osaka-bound side.


· Wakae-Iwata Station

The last station of the three renovated.

This is the old station with platforms at ground level and underground lobby. :nuts:


New situation:

Connection between the current viaduct to the new.

Simply track design with two general tracks and two side platforms.

New platform is provisory narrow due little space between the station and buildings.

Only 1,5 meters.

This is a temporary walkway to connect the platform to the lobby.

Passing through the old platform...

And crossing the abandoned track.

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Taken from Japan transport thread:

JR Kyoto Line - Takatsuki Station improvement works

Takatsuki Station ( is the number 10 of JR West network in daily average passengers, 123.542 everyday.

Now is under renovation to allow more passengers on two overcrowded platforms. Side tracks without platform (for Limited Express) will be new 260 meters platform. All commuter trains stops at this station.

Tracks 1 and 8 (not used) will be occupied by new new platforms. Central tracks (4 and 5) are for local trains so, Takatsuki Station is perfect for commuters who changes from rapid to local or local to rapid on the same way, on the same platform.

In red the new pedestrian bridge over the tracks to connect the two side platforms with the lobby.

Renders from JR West

New side platforms will be 4 to 6 meters width.

Work is scheduled to finish by sprin 2016. Total cost is estimated in 32 million euro.

Situation in November:



Shin-Osaka improvement works

Shin-Osaka Station is under reforms too. After the completion of works on Shinkansen area, adding new platforms and bla bla bla, now is turn for the zairaisen area.

Situation in November:

Remembering the new Shinkansen platform:

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New 323 Series for Osaka Loop Line

In a press conference held by JR West on December 8, 2014, the company has announced the introduction of new trains "323 Series" for the JR Osaka Loop Line which runs the center of Osaka.

In appearance, the new sets will maintain the orange color typical on the Loop Line in some parts of the train.

But the major changes will be the 3 doors car instead the usually 4 doors car. Moreover, only 8 seat places between doors, and 16 screen inside each car. Units of 8 cars will provide more space around doors.

JR West said, the display will announces in four languages. In addition, the 323 Series also provide free WiFi service for foreigners.

New trains will be introduced by 2016 until 2018. 168 cars in total, 21 sets.

Osaka Loop Line project video:

Source: JR West press release / Tetsudo-shimbun / Response
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New 323 Series for Osaka Loop Line[/B

Who will produce new trains, and what is the value of the contract?

toma bacic
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No prices given, builders are likely local- Kinki Sharyo and Kawasaki Heavy.
JR Shin-Osaka Station concourse improvement works

Shin-Osaka is under major redevelopment. The new platform 13-14 for the Osaka-Higashi Line was opened this month.

January 15. Platform 13-14 access.

Signal panels on new platform access follow the modern rules for commuter transport in Kansai.

Stairs to the platform.


JR Shin-Osaka new platform 13-14

This month the new platform for future Osaka Higashi Line was inaugurated.

View from the next platform.

The platform has four access, in two sides by stairs, in the center by escalator and finally an elevator.

This platform makes a curve, now, the gap is less as previous.

Udon restaurant in the platform.

Departure LED screen with 5 rows and 3 colours.


^^ I think, after the works of platform 13-14, others also will be improved.
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JR Hanwa Line - Izumi-Fuchū Station

Izumi-Fuchū Station is located in Izumi City, Osaka Prefecture. The station was improved and its works finished in 2013 with a new large pedestrian bridge over the bus station (completed in 2014).


Izumi-Fuchū has four tracks and two island-platforms. The station concourse is on the first floor. 16.337 people / day uses this station.

The design of the new station building simulates Ikegami Sone ruins from Yayoi era.

The west entrance has only a small roundabout.

East-west public passage over the tracks with the high open ceiling.

This station has five automatic ticket machines and five gates (Could be added three gates more in case of increment of passengers)

This is the concourse with the LED panel with three rows for each platform and three colors. In the middle, the classic analog clock.

One of the two access to the platforms. On the left side with automatic escalator, the center with the elevator and the right with stairs. Same for tracks 3-4.

This is under the station building. This is a typical suburban station with four tracks and two island platforms.

The two automatic escalator (up and down) has been installed on Tennoji (Osaka) side.

East exit with large pedestrian deck over the bus station.

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