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This week I visited the exhibition at the Sydney Museum on the history of the tram network in Sydney which at its peak included 291 kms of routes along with almost 1400 tramcars. In comparison today Melbourne hosts approx 240 kms of routes with about 500 vehicles in operation!

I strongly recommend visiting the exhibition which goes until October. :)

Sadly this massive and impressive network which was Australia's largest was ripped out from the heart of Sydney back in 1961. :eek:hno:

Today I was doing a bit of web browsing trying to learn more but to my horror I uncovered something that appeared in the SMH only a couple of months back.

Apparently in the former Rozelle Tram Depot are 6 historic tram cars and 1 bus which are in the process of being destroyed by vandalism. :mad:

One of the trams is the historic last tram to ever operate in Sydney back in 1961 when the last line to La Perouse was shut down. :eek:hno:

There are efforts by locals to save them before they are gone for good. Any help by lobbying the government and coucil is needed .....

Unpimp my tram: buffs want vandalised relics restored to former glory
John Huxley
May 4, 2009


What a mess... Sydney tram before and after its final trip to the Glebe depot.

SYDNEY tram enthusiasts have issued an appeal for help in a last-ditch attempt to save six heavily vandalised historic trams left to rot in the derelict former Rozelle depot in Glebe.

"What we're looking for right now is someone, perhaps out in the bush, with enough space and tarpaulin to store the trams until they can be restored and found a permanent home," said Chris O'Sullivan, of the City Tram Association.

Unforgivably, he explained, they include the most historic of Sydney trams: No. R1 1995, which was the last to run, in February 1961, to La Perouse, before entering the Randwick workshops to be sold or scrapped.

The corridor-style tram - whose whereabouts was revealed by the Herald last month - had a colourful history, even before it was stripped and covered with graffiti at the old depot, next to the Harold Park Paceway.

Bought by a Southern Highlands farmer, R1 1995 served as a haystore and shearing shed at Joadja for several years before being brought back to Sydney. It was restored and put into work on a tourist line at Port Kembla. Its next stop was a Newcastle tramway museum, from where it was stolen. On being recovered, it was used in Hay Street by the city council to promote the opening of the new light railway, before being returned to the depot.

"Some tram enthusiasts say 1995 is jinxed," said Mr O'Sullivan. "But I think it's a real survivor, an important part of Sydney's transport history that deserves to be saved."

The City Tram Association was actively involved in Sydney City Council plans to run a tourist tramway from East Circular Quay via The Rocks and Hickson Road to Darling Harbour.

But the plans were abandoned, the depot was sold and, after a lengthy wrangle over ownership and access, association members withdrew. "It was a nightmare. We lost everything: furniture, machinery, memorabilia," said Mr O'Sullivan.

Ten years on, he says, tram volunteers stand ready to recover and restore the trams. "They can still be saved. They should be saved. All over the world, trams are making a comeback. Melbourne trams are being exported to the United States."

http://www.smh.com.au/national/unpi...s-restored-to-former-glory-20090503-argw.html
 

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The trams inside the depot in around 2000. They were still in very good condition then despite minor vandalism .....





The former Rozelle Tram Depot .....





 

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Sadly the secrets that lay inside the former Rozelle Tram Depot :cry:

6 former Sydney trams and 1 bus. These photos were taken last year (2008) indicating massive damage through petty vandalism. They need to me saved asap :( ....



































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http://www.sydneyarchitecture.com/GLE/GLE39.htm
 

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Old tram depot falls into a state of dis-grace
02 Jun 09 @ 06:58pm by Marie Sansom

THE old Rozelle tram depot at Harold Park Paceway has been graced by everyone from reality television stars to Nikki Webster in her new video.

Now it has it own champion in Ashfield’s John Williams.

Mr Williams has set up a Facebook group, Save the Glebe Trams, to publicise the plight of six trams in the heritage-protected sheds and push for them to be removed and restored.

“It’s shocking to see historic stuff just trashed. It’s being destroyed,” Mr Williams said.

“It’s almost like a time capsule when you see them in there.”

One of the trams was the last to run in 1961 to La Perouse.

He called on NSW Harness Racing, which owns the site and is trying to sell it, and local and state government to secure the trams and help arrange their restoration.

Harness Racing NSW chief executive John Dumesny said he had tried to offload the trams for years. He said he had received offers to take them but nobody ever arrived to take them.

“They’re of historical significance,” he said. “We tried to place them in the correct ownership of whoever wanted them. The council, various museums and organisations all denied ownership.

“It’s a very expensive exercise just to move them. We don’t want them, they’re not ours but nobody else wants them.”

The club tried securing the sheds by welding doors shut and securing them with lock but to no avail.

“The vandalism is distressing ... every effort we take to secure that property vandals and graffiti artists break in,” Mr Dumesny said.

The City Tram Association has offered to take care of the trams but could not be reached for comment, neither could the Sydney Tramway Museum.

http://glebe.whereilive.com.au/news/sto ... dis-grace/
 

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The appalling situation where there are R1 & R class trams (& vintage bus) slowly being destroyed in the former Rozelle Tram Depot (in Glebe), a Facebook Group site called "Save The Glebe Trams" has been formed to try and resolve the (complicated) issue of saving these precious remnants of Sydney's historic tramway system.

The group (Save The Glebe Trams) requires contact information to find out who to speak to to ratify any workable means to save the vehicles (or what's left of them). Of most interest, is that he last tram to make a run on the original electric tramway networks in Sydney (R1 class 1995) is there suffering a great deal of neglect & abuse...this would have to be the one most historic tram vehicles (if not items of Australian public transport history) not adequately preserved in the country...yet it is being wrecked daily.

Save The Glebe Trams is calling for expertise & help to save the trams from destruction & to get R1 1995 rolling again. There is, at present, a great deal of public interest in this situation & time is of the essence, we must not lose 1995 to further damage as it will reflect upon us all as to how we treat our transport history. The former Rozelle Depot sheds too, one of the great historic public tranport building in Sydney, like the Tempe Depot, (home of the fabulous Bus & Truck Museum) will be part of a future redevelopment, so this building needs adequate protection to ensure that it survives the changes,

Six historic trams & a bus need your help now!

If you are a Facebook user it would be grateful if you could help, just type save the Glebe trams into the Facebook seach engine & you'll find us

http://www.busaustralia.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=13187&start=475
 

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If you are a Facebook user it would be grateful if you could help, just type save the Glebe trams into the Facebook seach engine & you'll find us
I could, but how would people joining a Facebook group help your cause!?

Almost as useless as online petitions are.
 

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As mentioned before one of the above six trams was the final one to run on the Sydney Tram network .....

Photos courtesy of the National Library of Australia

The afternoon of Saturday 25th February, 1961, Sydney R1 Class Corridor Tram no.1995 was the last tram to operate on the last day of service for the N.S.W. Government Tramways.

The tram was photographed in Elizabeth Street Sydney (outside the Great Synagogue) bound for La Perouse. It was packed with well wishers with fond farewells from the people of Sydney chalked on the side of the tram. After its last journey to La Perouse tram no.1995 returned to Randwick Tramway Workshop at 4.28 pm taking Sydney's tramways into history. Photographer John Davenport.



http://www.nla.gov.au/apps/cdview?pi=nla.pic-vn3313704&fullrecord=yes
 

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I wish there was some way to secure the place to prevent even more damage.

I suggest a letter writing campaign to large corporations, including information and Before and After pictures, begging for help. More than 9 times out of 10 this will achieve nothing, but sometimes one can get lucky and find someone who cares, and will see it as a good public relations act for the company. Write to the bosses of the organizations, not anyone lower down.
 

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Thats so sad.. They should be restored and put in a museum.
Sydney does have a tramway museum - which is at Loftus, and a piece of track that runs into the Royal National Park.

However they have more trams than space now, and several of the trams there are falling apart, quite literally...

not always the end all to be all to put hem into a museum
 

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After visiting Railworks at Ipswich, Sydney needs a proper rail museum - at Eveleigh. The trams could be accomodated there.

But it's a disgrace that these icons of another era have been left to rot.
 

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Now this is a very sad sight. Who in their right mind would leave this sort of heritage to rot like that? How about restoring them back to operation and running them from Central to Lilyfield? Like they've done with the old heritage trams on the City Circle route in Melbourne? Would be another tourist attraction!

Now the question has to be asked - how did the woman and kids in those photos get in there? Isn't that technically trespassing?
 

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After visiting Railworks at Ipswich, Sydney needs a proper rail museum - at Eveleigh. The trams could be accomodated there.

But it's a disgrace that these icons of another era have been left to rot.
We already have a railway museum at Thirlmere.
http://www.nswrtm.org/
 

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Now the question has to be asked - how did the woman and kids in those photos get in there? Isn't that technically trespassing?
But the photographer's not trespassing, only his wife and kids? lawl

is it trespassing if you have permission?
 

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The problem here is that it obviously indicates how very easy it was to get access to the trams. Hence why they have been considerably damaged through mindless vandalism over the past several years.

Indications are is that it has been intentional by the Harold Park Dog Race Club (NSW Harness Racing) who basically got the loction adjacent to them for free from the NSW Government. This inner city area is lucrative for developers as it is right next to the current light rail station.

They were obviously hoping someone would come along and incinerate the trams and former tramshed hence making it easier to develop or sell off to a developer.

Sydney City Council have blocked development of this location due to its heritage value but now the problem here is no-one seems to be taking responsibilty for protecting the heritage structures and its contents.

The desire is to remove the trams and bus to somewhere for safe keeping and eventual restoration but the problem here is that the Sydney Tramway Museum is full and cannot accommodate them until another shed is constructed (who knows when). They are afterall a non-profit organisation.

They are hoping that someone with a large enough facility can take them and store them safetly and temporarily, hence why they sit in limbo.

These six trams were originally purchased and restored by the 'City Tram Association' in conjunction with the NSW government who were planning to create a historic tram loop in the Sydney CDB but again the project like many others was ditched.

Such a pity and a shame! :(
 

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We already have a railway museum at Thirlmere.
http://www.nswrtm.org/
I know about the museum at Thirlmere but it would be good to have one closer to the city. Some people have proposed it as part of the redevelopment of the Eveleigh North railyards.

It doesnt have to be a showcase of just Sydney trains, but can also feature exhbits, models and replicas of trains from all over the world.
 

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I know about the museum at Thirlmere but it would be good to have one closer to the city. Some people have proposed it as part of the redevelopment of the Eveleigh North railyards.

It doesnt have to be a showcase of just Sydney trains, but can also feature exhbits, models and replicas of trains from all over the world.
I reckon they could go one step further and create a "Sydney Public Transportation Museum" where they could show off the historic trams, buses, trains, etc which are currently scattered in a number of smaller museums .....
 

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I reckon they could go one step further and create a "Sydney Public Transportation Museum" where they could show off the historic trams, buses, trains, etc which are currently scattered in a number of smaller museums .....
This is no bad idea at all, if the necessary will was applied to make it happen.

Here are some pics of how this has been achieved in Chrich in England. The idea clearly could be a goer if the right people became interested:




Daleks in disguise wait to greet the Doctor.


A Cyberman, perhaps.:lol:



 

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um... aside from the tram issue isn't there an issue of the old depot itself going to waste and the land going to wste. isn't Glebe practically the closest suburb to the CBD? wouldn't that land be worth a fortune.

get an appropriate development there and use the profits from teh development to restore the trams and for use say on sundays on the tram line they built in sydney a few years ago (could be every second service on the weekend or somethign).
 
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