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Oval Gas Works
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SE11

Planning application: Lambeth 17/05772/EIAFUL

Official website:
http://www.ovalgasworks.co.uk


Development Facts

Site:
Gasholder Station, Kennington Oval, London SE11

Developer: Berkeley Group

Architect: Grid Architects

Residential units: 738

Office space: 10,160m²










 

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Overall, I'm broadly supportive of the project and I really like the integration of the gas holders in the design.

Two things concern me, however:

- Picture 8 (third last) in SE9's original post shows a render of an 18-storey building and the planning application (Plot 3 Elevation G) shows likewise, despite stating on page 2 of the July 2016 Masterplan that height would be restricted to 13 storeys (http://www.oakda.co.uk/media/pdf/s/a/OAKDA_Draft_Masterplan_Executive_Summary_July_2016.pdf) - not a great start by Berkeley.

- Also, I had hoped that the exterior finish and materials would more resemble the Alliance Building in Dublin or the Gasholders in King's Cross.




 

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Have to say, I much prefer Create Streets' proposals for the site on behalf of Save Oval.

We are not NIMBYs. We want to see redevelopment of the Gas-holder site.
But we want to see redevelopment that enhances the area, not spoiling the area with high-rise towers.
Working with www.createstreets.com we have worked up the following alternative plan:

Streetscape with large, iconic green space

Our plan has more streets through the site than the Berkeley plan - in particular, we also open up a route into the site from the Kennington Park estate - the closest neighbours of the site.

Because our plan avoids any buildings over 7 storeys, the streets and gardens are not over-shadowed the way the Berkeley Masterplan streets would be. This plan creates high-density new, attractive and affordable homes to help solve the borough's chronic housing shortage, whilst building a vibrant neighbourly community.


More "green" routes through the site

We believe that the Berkeley plan ignores the most significant neighbours of the area - the residents of Kennington Park Estate, which surrounds the Gas-holder site to the North and South. After consultation with Kennington Park Estate residents, we believe it is vital that the development opens up more routes through the site from the Kennington Park estate - so in our scheme the gas-holder park would be open to both Montford Place and Kennington Park estate, ensuring more through routes and livelier streets
I maintain hope that one day a housing developer will listen to sense and revise their bland, soulless scheme for something like this. One day.

Although this is especially pertinent here given that there are a number of listed buildings (and structures) within the site, and the immediate vicinity, and that the site is directly adjacent to Kennington Conservation Area et al.


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Disappointing.

I'm convinced future generations will wonder how the hell we thought we were so much better than the modernist planners of the 60s and 70s having learned absolutely nothing from their mistakes (other than perhaps an aversion to exposed concrete).
 

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Is that Create Streets proposal a copy and paste of their Mount Pleasant scheme?
I mean since the entire premise of the organisation is to promote development which plays to London's historic architectural character, their schemes are bound to look similar. Much more preferable, in my opinion, to schemes which could be anywhere, and which are making London increasingly generic and less and less attractive.
 

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I mean since the entire premise of the organisation is to promote development which plays to London's historic architectural character, their schemes are bound to look similar. Much more preferable, in my opinion, to schemes which could be anywhere, and which are making London increasingly generic and less and less attractive.

Its not really a heritage lobby group,though it supposedly aims to look to creating a better street environment and seems to like the twee historical streets as a template.

There's nothing wrong with this current scheme. Not hugely exciting but not terrible either way, I'm sure it will be pleasant enough for those living here and those walking through even without mock Georgian facades.
 

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I mean since the entire premise of the organisation is to promote development which plays to London's historic architectural character, their schemes are bound to look similar. Much more preferable, in my opinion, to schemes which could be anywhere, and which are making London increasingly generic and less and less attractive.
Well I agree but I wish there was other options than generic and characterless modern or historicism. I too would prefer the mock georgian to what is being built, even though the current proposal is fine too, but those styles had their time and we should make new styles that we can call our own but are better than the past. Some inspiration..
new build in Russia
"Bakst House"​
(after the artist Leon Bakst)
Bolshoy Kozikhinskiy, 13-15, Moscow, Russia
Architect Pavel Andreev
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All pics taken from here.
No reason why modern can't be beautiful.
 

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Well I agree but I wish there was other options than generic and characterless modern or historicism. I too would prefer the mock georgian to what is being built, even though the current proposal is fine too, but those styles had their time and we should make new styles that we can call our own but are better than the past.
I may be wrong but I think the essence of create streets proposals is more about the, well, streets - the massing and arrangement and masterplanning, more than whether the facades or neo-georgian or whatever else.

Some inspiration..
new build in Russia
first and last pictures put me uncomfortably in mind of st george's wharf aka the ugliest buildings in london :lol: although the details obviously reveal this comparison to be fatuous, i still dont really like it myself.

although i appreciate that is entirely beside your point, which i agree with, despite not agreeing with your particular example.

i suspect (looping back around) that may be why create streets end up with vaguely georgian looking styles, easier for everybody to say "eh, that's acceptable" for that than find an original style which everybody agrees is both modern and beautiful.
 

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I may be wrong but I think the essence of create streets proposals is more about the, well, streets - the massing and arrangement and masterplanning, more than whether the facades or neo-georgian or whatever else.



first and last pictures put me uncomfortably in mind of st george's wharf aka the ugliest buildings in london :lol: although the details obviously reveal this comparison to be fatuous, i still dont really like it myself.

although i appreciate that is entirely beside your point, which i agree with, despite not agreeing with your particular example.

i suspect (looping back around) that may be why create streets end up with vaguely georgian looking styles, easier for everybody to say "eh, that's acceptable" for that than find an original style which everybody agrees is both modern and beautiful.
Very true, I doubt there was any style that didn't receive at least some level of scepticism or outright criticism when it was emerging
 

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I dont think Berkelys proposal is bad but id like to see the masterplan.

The one from Create Streets seems superior to me.

Flats inside gas holders have been done. This is not Kings X. Its south London ;)
 

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Plans submitted for the neighbouring site:



275 Kennington Lane
Kennington
SE11


Planning application:
Lambeth 18/02597/EIAFUL


Development Facts

Site:
Tesco Stores, Kennington Lane, London SE11

Developer: Berkeley Group | Tesco

Architect: Grid Architects

Residential units: 571

Tesco store: 1,365m² (GIA)

Office space: 2,638m² (GIA)

Flexible commercial space: 1,160m² (GIA)

 
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