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Pakistan to start production of JF-17 fighter planes

Pakistan will begin production of the sophisticated JF-17 fighter aircraft this year, senior military officials said on Monday.

The light weight, all weather and multi-role aircraft is jointly being developed by Pakistan and China.

"The small batch production of JF-17 would begin in the second half of this year," Chairman Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC), Air Marshal Aurangzeb and Chief Project Director of JF-17 Air Vice Marshal Shahid Latif told newsmen at Kamra.

The first consignment of four aircraft would be delivered to PAC Kamra in December next year. Another batch of four aircraft would be ready by March 2007.

The officials said fifty percent of the airframe would initially be manufactured in Pakistan and it would progressively be enhanced to hundred percent. Similarly, cooperation with original equipment manufacturers would be expanded over a period of time for co-production of avionics systems.

Twenty-two avionics systems would be co-produced at PAC including radar, self-protection jammer, high tech flight control and mission computers.

The aircraft would be capable of carrying short range, beyond visual range, anti-ship as well as anti radiation missiles. There would also be provision of carrying high and low drag bombs, laser guided, runway penetration and cluster bombs.

It would be equipped with state-of-the-art avionics package to provide an all weather navigation and attack capability. The state of the art on-board multimode radar would have the capability to track multiple targets and its advanced electronic warfare suite will have self protection and jamming capabilities.

The chairman PAC said the JF-17 project would ensure availability of a contemporary, affordable and sustainable weapon system for the PAF capable of meeting its operation requirements.

"There is also possibility of payback of the financial investment and profitability through aircraft sales to foreign countries as already a number of countries are showing keen interest in the aircraft," he added.

Replying to a question, he said the Aircraft Manufacturing Factory of the PAC is developing a high speed long range drone known as Comet.

It will have a speed of 300 kilometer per hour and a range of 60 kilometer with take off weight of 85 kilograms.

He also revealed that the PAC would soon start manufacturing aviation parts for Boeing 747, 767 and 777 aircraft under an arrangement with the Boeing company. "The know-how thus gained would also help in establishing JF-17 production line.

"The PAC has also recently completed avionics upgrade of Mirage aircraft in collaboration with French company Sagem. This modification substantially increased the air to air and air to ground precision weapons release capability of the aircraft," the official added.

"Similarly, F-16 engines are also upgraded to increase their operating life and performance characteristics saving 30 million dollars." To a question Air Marshal Aurangzeb said eight more Mushak aircraft are ready for delivery to Saudi Arabia by the end of this month.

"Another five would be delivered in September this year, completing the deal of twenty Mushak," he said.

Pakistan is also planning to introduce more state-of-the art F-16 fighter jets after the United States agreed to sell them to Islamabad in March after two decades of refusal. Pakistan bought 40 F-16s in the early 1980s when the country was serving as a base for the US-backed resistance against the former Soviet Union’s occupation of Afghanistan.

But another order for the purchase of 70 F-16s in the late 1980s failed to materialize because the United States imposed sanctions on the country for its clandestine nuclear programme. After almost a decade, Pakistan got its money back, having paid for the planes in advance.
 

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China and Pakistan sign F-22P frigate construction deal



Pakistan and China on Monday signed contracts for the construction of F-22P frigate ships for Pakistan Navy, officials said.

The signing ceremony was held at Ministry of Defense Production, a Defense Ministry spokesman said..

"Both sides signed four contracts for the construction of state-of- the-art F-22P frigates with all related equipment/systems with special element of transfer of technology (ToT)," the official said.

"These ships, after construction, will be inducted into Pakistan Navy which would not only enhance the operational capabilities of Pakistan Navy, but will also help to make impregnable the seaward defense of Pakistan," he added.

According to defense sources, the F-22P frigates will be equipped with helicopters specially designed for anti-submarine warfare, surface to surface and surface to air missiles along with numerous associated self-defense systems.

China is Pakistan's neighbor in the northern Himalayan region and one of Islamabad's staunchest allies. China and Pakistan's ties date back several decades, and are deep-rooted. Both the countries are regularly involved in a number of joint defense projects, such as the JF-17 (Joint Fighter 17) aircraft.

Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao is scheduled to arrive Tuesday to attend a conference on promoting economic cooperation in Asia and to meet on the sideline with Pakistani leaders.

Wen will hold talks with the President Pervez Musharraf and his Pakistani counterpart, Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz during the three-day visit, Foreign Ministry Spokesman Jalil Abbas Jilani told a news conference on Monday.
 

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The Karachi Shipyard and Engineering Works has planned to start construction work on F-22P frigates, a fighting class warship, for the Pakistan Navy.

The frigates will be built in association with Chinese experts.

At present, the KSEW is busy in constructing two 250-ton fast patrol crafts, which will be handed over to the Navy in June this year.

General Manager Design and Shipbuilding KSEW, Capt Sarfaraz Inayatullah, presenting a report at a seminar on "Prospects of Shipping in Developing Eight Countries" here on Wednesday, said an institute of technology had been established in the KSEW for rapid transformation of ship-building technology.

"Efforts are in hand to augment the design department of shipyard and turn it into design bureau," he said.

He said the shipyard management was trying hard to improve productivity and bring qualitative changes.

"KSEW will be turned into a precision engineering yard by re-engineering its whole management system and improving the foundry and inducting high technology," he added.

The workforce of the shipyard was being imparted new generation skills capable of meeting future challenges, he said.

On the occasion, Federal Secretary Ports and Shipping, Fazal-ur-Rehman, said the transport industry particularly the shipping sector faced great challenges emanating from various directions.

Inaugurating a two-day seminar on the topic of "Prospects of Shipping in Developing Eight Countries", he said for D8 countries the issues related to shipping had lately acquired top priority status.

"Globally almost all matters related to trade and commerce are being handled under different parameters in the post-9/11 scenario," he said.

"We need to improve and continue to improve our productivity and services in terms of quality and economy," he told the seminar organised by the Directorate of Ports and Shipping in collaboration with the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

He appreciated the efforts of Director General Ports and Shipping, Capt Anwar Shah, for upgrading the Pakistan Marine Academy to Marine University and said the D8 countries could make use of this institute.

Earlier welcoming the participants, Capt Anwar Shah said the purpose of the seminar was to examine the prospects of very vital industry of shipping in the group and establish a D8 Shipping Business Forum to create a relationship and coordinated shipping activities within the framework of D8 Charter so that trade and transport were institutionalised in broader perspective. He suggested D8 countries must consider mutual cooperation and assist each other in simplifying and improving visa procedures not only for seafarers but also for other business and working class.
 

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FT-2000

Country: China
Basing: Land
Status: Operational, Exported

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In a report to Congress on May 28, 2004, the U.S. Department of Defense highlighted the major improvements that China has made to its air and missile defense systems over the past few years, including “[the] development of an antiradiation SAM [surface-to-air missile], most likely intended to target AWACS [Airborne Warning and Control System] aircraft and standoff jamming platforms.”(1)

The report was referring specifically to the FT-2000, a Chinese anti-radiation surface-to-air missile system designed to counter electronic jamming aircraft, AWACS aircraft, and other air radiation wave targets. Developed and manufactured by the China National Precision Machinery Import and Export Corporation (CPMIEC) during the late 1990s, the FT-2000 is also believed to be capable of destroying tactical ballistic missiles, similar to the U.S. Patriot and the Russian S-300P systems on which it is based.(2) At present, two versions exist, the mobile FT-2000 and the fixed-based FT-2000A.(3)

The FT-2000 is the direct result of a concerted effort by China to eliminate an inherent vulnerability in medium- and long-range surface-to-air missiles: jamming. For decades, air and missile defense systems like the Patriot and the S-300P have been susceptible to advanced techniques designed to confuse or immobile their interceptor missiles and keep them from reaching their targets. One of the most common jamming devices is S- and C-band airborne noise. If used properly, this and other deception mechanisms lead to what is known as the “suppression of enemy air defenses” and allows attacking aircraft and missiles to proceed to their targets without challenge.(4)

The FT-2000 was designed to neutralize and counter these airborne jamming devices. It contains a passive radar target seeker programmed to detect the specific electromagnetic signals emanating from its target. Essentially, the FT-2000 uses its target’s own jamming frequencies against it. In addition, the FT-2000 has a passive homing system that does not transmit electromagnetic waves, thus minimizing the chances that its enemies will detect it in time.(5) The system is equipped with modified HQ-9 interceptor missiles, each of which is 6.8 meters long, 0.47 meters in diameter, and has a launch weight of 1,300 kilograms. The HQ-9 missiles give the FT-2000 a range of 12 to 100 kilometers and an operating altitude of 3 to 20 kilometers. The mobile system is transported and launched on an 8 X 8 cross-country launcher with four canisters that resemble those used by the S-300P.(6)

In addition to the mobile FT-2000, China has developed a fixed-based variant, the FT-2000A. According to a recent Chinese sales brochure, the FT-2000A uses a highly-modified HQ-2 missile that has been equipped with passive radio frequency homing seekers. Each HQ-2 is armed with a 60-kilogram fragmentation warhead and has a range of 60 kilometers and a maximum altitude of 18 kilometers. Reports indicate that each FT-2000A battery consists of 12 missile launchers, each containing one missile, and a central control station. The central control station has one master passive sensor and three auxiliary passive sensors. The four sensors are capable of triangulating on electromagnetic signals in the 2- and 6-GHz frequency range, which covers most AWACS aircraft and other air radiation wave targets, thus earning it the nickname “AWACS killer.”(7)

In addition to its role as an anti-radiation missile system, the FT-2000 also has advanced capability against tactical ballistic missiles, although this point is seldom mentioned. As Richard D. Fisher, Jr. has pointed out, Chinese officials at the 1998 Zhuhai Air Show—shortly after plans for the FT-2000 had been unveiled—stated that the FT-2000 was being developed into an active-guided missile that eventually would have the ability to shoot down short- and medium-range ballistic missiles.(8) Since the FT-2000 is based on comprehensive systems such as the U.S. Patriot and the S-300P, it is no surprise that it too has anti-missile capabilities.

In October 2003, it was reported that China had closed a deal with its neighbor, Pakistan, to supply the latter with an unspecified number of FT-2000 missiles to counter India’s early warning capabilities. The China-Pakistan deal followed India’s own arrangement with Israel and Russia to install three Israeli Phalcon AWACS on Ilyushin Il-76 freighter aircraft, thus giving it an airborne early warning system.(9) According to various news sources, shortly after India announced its acquisition of the Phalcon radars, Air Chief Marshal Kaleem Saadat, the head of Pakistan’s air force, visited China and conveyed Pakistani President Gen. Pervez Musharraf’s wish to purchase an unspecified number of FT-2000s.(10)

The recent China-Pakistan arrangement may just be an attempt to maintain the delicate balance of power between India and Pakistan, both of which possess nuclear weapons. Yet according to an article published in Malaysia in January 2003, the People’s Liberation Army is eager to export the FT-2000 around the globe.(11) It is entirely possible that “AWACS killer” air and missile defense systems like the FT-2000 will soon proliferate throughout Asia, Europe, and the Middle East, a development that would introduce a multitude of strategic problems for the U.S. and its allies.

Jane’s: China Developing Two Versions of FT-2000 Missile Defense System
December 10, 2004 :: Jane’s Information Group :: News

The December issue of Jane’s Missiles and Rockets notes that China is developing two versions of the FT-2000 air and missile defense system, namely the FT-2000A and FT-2000B. The report of the two versions is not by itself new. The article rather seems to have been prompted by a leaflet distributed at the recent Zhuhai air show. New information added by the leaflet also includes that the full system, which China reportedly hopes to market around the world, would include a “passive radar,” 12 launchers with one missile each, a single support station, and three slave or relay stations.

The -A and -B versions vary in range and capability, and are based on the Chinese HQ-2 and Chinese HQ-9 respectively. (Link)
 

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Pakistan, China sign historic defense pact

ISN SECURITY WATCH (06/04/05) - Pakistan and China on Tuesday signed 22 agreements on boosting cooperation in defense, nuclear enegy, trade, mineral exploration, and information technology, in what officials from both sides called a landmark treaty.
The treaty of “friendship, cooperation, and good neighborly relations” was signed during a three-day visit to Islamabad by Chinese Prime Minister Wen Jiabao.

China repeated its pledge to help Pakistan defend its territorial integrity, while Pakistan reiterated its support for a “One China” policy in the face of Taiwanese separatism.
Also on Tuesday, Pakistan’s deputy army chief-of staff, General Ahsan Saleen Hayat, said Pakistan supported China’s anti-secession law that calls for the use of force against Taiwan if it declared independence. Visiting Beijing, Hayat told Chinese Defense Minister Cao Gangchuan that the Pakistani military valued cooperation with the Chinese military and sought to further those exchanges.

Back in Islamabad, Pakistani Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz said the treaty was “unique in the sense that the two countries have no such pact with any other country and it would serve as a turning point in our already strong relations”.

Pakistan’s Ambassador to China, Salman Bashir, told ISN Security Watch that the most significant aspect of the visit was the “clear, unambiguous, and categorical assurance” by China to defend Pakistan's sovereignty, independence, and territorial integrity.

Beijing agreed to encourage the flow of goods from western China through the Pakistani ports of Karachi and Gwadar to the Middle East and beyond, while Islamabad consented to a “transport and energy corridor to and from China”.

Bilateral trade between China and Pakistan now stands at US$2.5 billion, with Chinese exports to Pakistan accounting for US$1.5 billion.

The two countries also signed an agreement for Pakistan to buy four Chinese-built F-22P frigates for the Pakistani navy. According to the Pakistani Defense Ministry, the frigates will be equipped with organic helicopters designed for anti-submarine warfare, and armed with surface-to-surface and surface-to-air missiles, among other self-defense systems.

Analysts see the unprecedented warmth in Sino-Pakistani relations as a reaction to growing US-India ties - and in particular, Washington’s offer to sell India Patriot missiles and F-18 and F-16 fighter jets.

Dr Tahir Amin, an MIT expert on international relations, told ISN Security Watch that China was playing a double-handed game in the region.

“One the one hand, [China] is pursuing separate bilateral ties with India and Pakistan, but on the other, it wants to strengthen Pakistan as an antidote to India and to limit the US role in the country,” he said.

In the meantime, the Chinese prime minister also delivered a keynote address at a meeting of the 26-member Asia Cooperation Dialogue in Islamabad, saying that Asia had no reason to fear a stronger China.

“China will never seek hegemony,” Wen said.

(By Naveed Ahmad in Islamabad)
 

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muchbetter said:
... for mutual benefit.
Well not really its a old relationship that grows stronger every day.

Pakistan is the lifeline to China's future

Pakistan has helped the Chinese military on many occasions for example giving a F-16 to China and a Cruise missile that was intact and it helped China make better SAMs and helped in the J-10 as well as the JF-17 project. Anyways in my belief i think China is arming Pakistan to the teeth to secure China's future as a leader in the region and to protect against a attack from the US or any other nation. And i am sure many of you have heard about Gwadar?

anyways best wishes to China!
 

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Without a strong military, a country can't defend itself against its enemies. If a country can't defend itself, its people will be pushed around by stronger countries.
 

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I am totally blind to military. My concern is if China will invest more money in education and medical system instead of military expense.
 

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Can you elaborate on that :eek2:
I really dont understand why the Indians always have to follow our topics?

Anyways thats true a nation can not survive without a strong military. Pakistan will alway be willing to take up arms against any enemy of China!

I can promise you that! :)

Longlive Pakistan and China!
 

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Well not really its a old relationship that grows stronger every day.

Pakistan is the lifeline to China's future

Pakistan has helped the Chinese military on many occasions for example giving a F-16 to China and a Cruise missile that was intact and it helped China make better SAMs and helped in the J-10 as well as the JF-17 project. Anyways in my belief i think China is arming Pakistan to the teeth to secure China's future as a leader in the region and to protect against a attack from the US or any other nation. And i am sure many of you have heard about Gwadar?

anyways best wishes to China!
I can clearly see a US foreign policy blunder here....
I could not quite understand US alignment with Pakistan post 911. It would
sooner or later backfire.. just like this..
 
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I really dont understand why the Indians always have to follow our topics?

Anyways thats true a nation can not survive without a strong military. Pakistan will alway be willing to take up arms against any enemy of China!

I can promise you that! :)

Longlive Pakistan and China!
These words of yours made me post here
Pakistan is the lifeline to China's future
I dont see how Pakistan is the lifeline to China's future
Thats quite remarkable statement to assert
 

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innoncent_monster said:
These words of yours made me post here


I dont see how Pakistan is the lifeline to China's future
Thats quite remarkable statement to assert
ultra egoistic brouhaha from a fanatic pakistani i'd say.....for a country that has merely a fraction of india's military economic political etc. strength to be china's (which is much stronger than india in all the above fields) lifeline.... :bash:
 

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my tea is cold now after going through this thread....

Can anyone answer...

How could a country like P-a-k-i-s-t-a-n have nukes and other strategic weapons but still get a nod and more weapons from the US?

This is again... probably the worst of its kind of the post 911 foreign policy mess up.

Even my muslim friends can not believe it...
 

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I will bet that now there will be arguments that how Pakistan's nuclear program is "indeginious" blah blah blah, how its an important ally on terror and other BS. If that DOES NOT happen, then here's a :cheers2: from me.
 
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my tea is cold now after going through this thread....

Can anyone answer...

How could a country like P-a-k-i-s-t-a-n have nukes and other strategic weapons but still get a nod and more weapons from the US?

This is again... probably the worst of its kind of the post 911 foreign policy mess up.

Even my muslim friends can not believe it...
Its all about US interests .

Traditionally , US has allied with Pakistan to counter the Indo-Soviet alliance . During the cold war , Pakistan was adorned with regular US military supplies to counter the larger India's conventional strength . During this era , Spearheaded by Abdul Quadir , Pakistan managed to steal in all the makings of Atomic Bomb , largely ignored by US (its ally then)

Then , came the fall of Soviet Union in 1990 and with it US tilted towards India while Pakistan became more and more isolated . Pakistan almost ran into almost failed state status without US aid in 1999 with poverty actually rising all the way to 32% in 1999 .

And then 9/11 . Ironically Pakistan which was itself the force behind Taliban , had nuclear weapons inspite of growing ISlamic fundamentalism became a US ally on war on terror . Why ?
Well , most of alqueda and other Islamic terrorists organisations spilled over in to North Western Provinces of Pakistan after the Afghan liberation war .
Morever , Pakistan is the only nuclear Muslim Nation in the world . A takeover by Islamic extremists in Pakistan would have been a huge blow to US interests in region . Imagine , Islamic fundamentalists ruling a Nuclear Nation .
And this was very much likely because Pakistan has a very unstable political history - every few years democratic govt has been overthrown by Dictators like Musharaff .
So US couldnt afford another coup - a dangerous one this time by Islamic Mullahs .

So , US chose to make musharraf their puppet dictator while they cleansed the area of Islamic terrorism . While George Bush asserts democracy in every country of the world in his second inagural speech , yet he turns a blind eye to Musharraf - a dictator who came into power in a coup .
By making Pakistan ally , US has setup military bases in NW provinces of Pakistan - hotbed of Islamic terrorism in the world

And life is difficult for Musharraf .On one hand , he always goes against the opinions of masses to please Americans . On the other hand , Bush pressuries him to moderate Islamic fundamentalism in Pakistan . This actually is leading to rise of Islamic Fundamentalists in Pakistan like MMA party and a general air of anti-american nationalism .

The f-16s you are talking about were supposed to be delivered to Pakistan in 1989 . But as I explained earlier , US policy tilted away from Pakistan after Fall of Soviets in 1990 and sanctions were imposed on Pakistan . Only recently , to please Musharaaf for his efforts on War against terror , US resumed the supply of f-16s


by making Pakistan a temporary ally , US foreign policy has been successful in :
- Takeover of Pakistan by Islamic extermists parties after 9/11
- Kept Nukes in safe hands of Musharraf (Pakistan otherwise is notorious for nuclear proliferation)
- Reduced overall Islamic terrorism in the world including Kashmir
 
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