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Haxo, the Paris metro station which never opened.
A bit creepy...



Technically, it is not the only station which has been built yet never opened. We can mention as well Porte Molitor
, Orly-Sud
, Elysées La Défense
and La Défense Michelet
Why not transform this ghost station in a transport museum, like Court Street station in New York or Chamberí station in Madrid?
 

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Why not transform this ghost station in a transport museum, like Court Street station in New York or Chamberí station in Madrid?

Because it's way too small. Platfoms, and that's all. And there's no space available on the surface...


Moreover the project for such a museum in Parisis a long-running story - and a constantly-recurring issue...
 

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BillyFlorian sets another milestone, with the first recorded ride on the MP 14 on YouTube. In this test run, the train speeds up to its maximum service speed of 80 km/h, before pushing the emergency brakes to its limits. When the train stops, an MP 05 train passes by to test the resilience of the MP14’s regenerative brakes… maybe because it is friction-based.

 

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The Paris metro is in today's SSC banner: :banana:






Is it me or isn't that picture rather old? I think Odéon station has been refurbished since then.

Tell me if I'm wrong, but normally Odéon on line 4 looks more like that:


As for line 10, I don't think it's been refurbished but it should look more like that:
 
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The Paris metro is in today's SSC banner: :banana:




Is it me or isn't that picture rather old? I think Odéon station has been refurbished since then.
You're right. :)

Hike from Stalingrad metro station last week. There will be subways, trams... :)

Bassin de la Villette ; Stalingrad in the background.





Bridge over the former Petite Ceinture railway line :





(remnants of...) Bicycles from several bicycle-sharing companies :









Ecluse de Flandre, junction between Canal Saint Denis and Canal de l'Ourcq ; both are important waterways now mainly used for recreational purpose but freight trafic volumes are still high :










Edit : it would have been better in the Bus/LRT thread, i'm afraid...
 

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Was just in Paris last week and used the Metro extensively. Impressive sytem.

1. What is the nominal speed of the system?

2. Notice some trains were driverless (the line that runs by the Lourve stop), is that the future?

3.Noticed some of the trains are on tires too, such as the line that runs by Eiffel Tower (Hirim Bikim?).

4. Any plans to replace the cars? Many looked like they had some high miles and use on them.
 

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Source: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ash-only-five-boris-bikes-stolen-2090419.html

The original Vélib' was beset by many vulnerabilities, such as the provision of locks that created a false sense of security.

2. Notice some trains were driverless (the line that runs by the Lourve stop), is that the future?
Driverless trains are definitely the future for new lines, but converting existing lines will be slower. Lines 1 and 14 are driverless, with Line 13 having semi-automatic reversing during peak hours. The current goal is to make trains driverless on at least Lines 4, 15, 16, 17 and 18. Not sure about Line 13 yet.

3.Noticed some of the trains are on tires too, such as the line that runs by Eiffel Tower (Hirim Bikim?).
Paris is the city where modern rubber-tyred metro trains really took off. You can find them on Lines 1, 4, 6, 11 and 14, but it is too expensive to convert other lines, plus the Grand Paris Express lines will use steel wheels.

4. Any plans to replace the cars? Many looked like they had some high miles and use on them.
I think that 5 cars from the MP 59 series have been around since 1963 (56 years ago): that is more than the life of the MS 61 series on the RER (1967-2016), the A60/A62 stock on the London Underground (1961-2012), and the R32/A series of the New York Subway (1964-present). The following cars from the first order (MP 59 A) are still in service:

  • M.3043
  • M.3059
  • M.3104
  • N.4039
  • N.4044
Fortunately, they are being replaced by the MP 14 series: they are being tested on Line 1, when the system is closed for the night. The MP 14 will operate on Lines 4, 11 and 14, and trigger a cascade of MP 89 CAs and MP 05s from Line 14 to 4, and MP 89 CCs from Line 4 to 6. The cascade will also allow the RATP to replace the MP 73 series on Line 6, which came into service in 1974.

On the steel wheeled division, the MF 19 will be the next large-scale order after the introduction of the MF 67 trains in 1968. The prototype MF 67 is still in service on Line 3, and is now over 51 years old with at least another 9 years to go.

The plan is that the MF 19 comes in three lengths (62, 76 and 77.4 metres), and replace the MF 67, MF 77 and MF 88 on Lines 3, 3bis, 7, 7bis, 8, 10, 12 and 13. The MF 88 is notorious for its technical problems, e.g. flexible bogey technology was not fully developed at the time when the MF 88 came into service.
 

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1. Why does Line 10 split at Mirabeau?

2.When was the Anthony-Orly shuttle built?

3. What is the advantage of tire vs rail?

4. What is the average top speed on the Metro?
 

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1. Why does Line 10 split at Mirabeau?
Back in the 1890's, after several decades of political struggle with national rail companies and the national government, the Paris City Council eventually succeeded to enforce its vision for the construction of an urban rail system exclusively dedicated to serve the city. Among the Paris City Council requirements, it was specified that no point in the city should be at more than 500 meters from a metro station. However the territory of the city wasn't entirely built up at the time. The point was indeed precisely to stimulate real estate construction.

That was still a problem for the engineers who were designing the network. As a solution, they decided to end 2 lines with big loops: one in the North-East which is today served by
and the other in the South-West which is today served by
.

A lot later in the late 1970's, the area of Boulogne-Billancourt became very dense so it's been decided to expand
westbound to serve it. And that's how the loop became the current split.

2.When was the Anthony-Orly shuttle built?
Orlyval was built in 1991. Serving Orly airport became critical in the 1980's. The first idea was to build the current
, then to connect it to Villejuif branch of
and to expand it to Orly airport. However that was judged too costly and would took too many times to get built. That's the reason why it's been decided to go for a quicker alternative in building an automatic shuttle connecting the Airport to the nearby
.

30 years later,
will eventually be expanded to Orly Airport, however with a brand new infrastructure and not in using the
branch. The project is currently under construction and targetting a delivery by 2024 for the Olympics.

3. What is the advantage of tire vs rail?
The tire technology was designed in the 1950's. It allows faster accelerations and brakings, which is pretty useful in a network such as the Paris metro where stations are very close to one another and, as such, where stops are very frequent. Furthermore, tires are less noisy and more comfortable.

However, tyred-wheel trains use more energy and aren't optimal at full speed. As such, the technology becomes less advantageous when average distance between stations reaches 1 km. More recently, tyred-wheel trains have been denounced because of their high rate of micro-particle emissions. Systems to limit those are currently being designed.

4. What is the average top speed on the Metro?
Average speed and top speed are different things.

The average commercial speed varies from 21 kph on
(which has the most frequent stops) to 39 kph on
(which has the least frequent stops).

Top speed on most lines is of 70 kph. It reaches 80 kph on
. On the 4 new lines which are currently under construction,
, the top speed should be of 120 kph.

It's worth being noted though that Paris is also served by the RER network which has more of a "mass-transit" use than "pure" suburban rail networks such as those of London and NYC. Top speed on RER lines varies between 90kph and 120kph and commercial speed is much faster as well. Annual ridership on the 5 RER lines is of 1.1 billion per year so that's something which is hardly negligible.
 

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A sincere thank you Clery for answering my questions. Coming from Texas where a Metro system like Paris is nil, it was first a challenge how to use the system and then it became second nature. It made our visit to Paris a pleasure and easy to get around. And Paris does a better job in signage and making sure you go down the right side of the tracks.

The driverless #1 line was interesting when sitting up front, and what the cab driver sees.

Thank you again.
 

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And Paris does a better job in signage and making sure you go down the right side of the tracks.

But not 100% sure. Even for us, as the whole network is an incredible maze, it can be a bit complicated. :lol:


Being on the wrong side is a common mistake even for parisians !


The driverless #1 line was interesting when sitting up front, and what the cab driver sees.

You can do this on the other lines too. :)


There's a door between the cab and the rest of the train and there's a mirror on this door but in fact it's a one-way mirror ; if you stand very, very close to it, you can see through the glass.... doing this was a popular game when i was a kid.


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M12, Max Dormoy ; one of the few stations that still retain the metallic wall casings of the 50's :







 
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