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Anyone??? Any opinions, suggestions, ideas and brainstorming about this wonderful public transport project???

GEORGE TOWN: Penang is set to get its maiden LRT project – a 17.5km elevated stretch linking Komtar with the Penang International Airport.

With construction slated to begin next year, the RM4.5bil project is part of a package of solutions for an island that has long been choking on its traffic.


The LRT project – expected to be awarded in June – will mark the realisation of the long-awaited implementation of the RM27bil Penang Transport Master Plan (PTMP), which also includes a 25km expressway linking Bayan Lepas and Tanjung Bungah.

According to reliable sources, Gamuda Bhd, IJM Corp Bhd, and a Chinese company have been shortlisted to undertake the projects, the bulk of which would be funded through land reclamation rights in the state.

The LRT and new expressway will be built using the Project Delivery Partner (PDP) concept, where the PDP will step in to resolve problems should parts of the construction fail to meet construction criteria.

In Penang’s case, should either one of the Malaysian companies get the award, it would have to partner with the Chinese company, especially in the construction of the LRT project.

It would be likewise should the Chinese company win the contract.

http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2015/04/16/First-LRT-project-in-Penang-next-year-Komtar-to-airport-line-supported-by-revamped-stage-bus-system/
 

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Anyone??? Any good ideas, updated development and suggestions, opinions and brainstorming about this project??? Kindly share your wonderful comments.
 

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Don't think its a very good idea. Komuter to Penang airport with elevated rail track? Wouldn't it will affect our world heritage status? Also IMHO Penang airport would be over capacity and they need to either rebuild one bigger airport or expand the current airport.

I support build a super big airport in kulim or what ever further away from Penang Island something like KLIA. Penang is expanding and in future the current airport would be national security issue with too many plane. Since they building a train to connect the airport, they might as well do it right from the beginning.
 

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Don't think its a very good idea. Komuter to Penang airport with elevated rail track? Wouldn't it will affect our world heritage status? Also IMHO Penang airport would be over capacity and they need to either rebuild one bigger airport or expand the current airport.

I support build a super big airport in kulim or what ever further away from Penang Island something like KLIA. Penang is expanding and in future the current airport would be national security issue with too many plane. Since they building a train to connect the airport, they might as well do it right from the beginning.
Any opinion about the new SKY CAB project???

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1812327
 

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Time for some Holistic Planning.

Some random thoughts:

1) Integrate Transit Masterplan with Automobile / Traffic / Parking policies, instead of planning everything independently in a piecemeal manner.

2) Tunnel in Core and Periphery of UNESCO World Heritage area to minimise visual impact.

3) Reform land use according to the Transit-Oriented Development model, beginning with land within 500 meter from the stations. If possible, allow the operator to develop the land to fund the project in lieu of government funding. Also build large bus interchange with multiple lanes, not just a few roadside bays, and reserve large tracts of land for urban forest / greenery.

4) Make sure all transport hubs, including Butterworth KTM station are linked directly, not through feeder buses, so are important commercial hubs and tourist hotspots. Ferries should be maintained, but cannot be made the sole connection like now (no public local bus runs through bridge now, besides the peak hour BEST routes).

5) Make sure there are spatial provision for future upgrades even if it seems unncessary for now, including but not limited to line extensions (don't repeat the mistake of Titiwangsa Monorail with end of track facing the LRT track at same level, or Putra Heights LRT where extension will be difficult as both lines are reduced to single track, even if extension seems unnecessary for now), as well as maintain provision of station expansion for longer trains (don't repeat the mistake of MRT 1).

6) Allow room for future cross platform interchange in the same structure when new lines are built. Follow the example of Lai King MTR in Hong Kong, where a single island platform station serving a single line was converted into a station with double storey island platforms, to provide cross platform interchange between the old line and the new Airport commuter line. (Airport express line passes at another level without stopping.)

7) Other commercial, educational, residential, industrial areas should be linked directly if possible, otherwise with feeder buses.

8) Access areas with high population even if it means boring tunnels, instead of following corridors of high tension pylons or monsoon drains and end up next to some remote low density neighbourhood.

9) Everywhere else even low density neighbourhood, posh bunglow areas etc shall be served with frequent feeder buses as well, just like other commercial, residential, industrial areas or tourist hotspots. Some trunk bus lines linking remote areas to Port Weld / Georgetown can be converted into feeders.

10) Procure coaches with space allocated for luggages and bikes. Retain at least one car every EMU set for quiet car, where people cannot chat on phones, and ringtones should be turned to vibration mode.

Will add from time to time.
 

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LRT is good but not enough.

The heritage zone does need transport but obviously an elevated structure is out of the picture for this area.

I hope they can plan a tram-train system. This system combines both the train operating aspect as well as tram (tight running). This will reduce the need of transfer between the LRT system and also proposed tram in the centre.

If there is tram-train system, you will see LRT-like operation from airport to Komtar, then it can operate as tram when it reaches the heritage zone. Direct connection from the airport to the heritage zone assured.
 

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I think Penang needs two medium capactiy metro lines.
1. Cross Island Line runs from west to east, from Air Itam / Paya Terubong to Kulim via Butterworth, Seberang Jaya and Bukit Mertajam.
2. East Island Line runs from north to south on the east coast of Penang Island from Tanjung Pinang to Bayan Lepas.
3. Cross Island Line would be underground in island part because the island have very small space to build deep portals which allows tunnel run deep underneath seabed. Seberang Perai part would be either on-grade or elevated.

I think Cross Island Line is more important because it there are many Penangites work on the mainland. I think Phase One the Butterworth - Komtar should be implemented first as an alternative to ferry service.

Yekaterinburg, Russia have only 1.5 million population; Genoa, Italy have only 710 million population, they have metro systems. I don't think it is not feasible for Penang have it's own MRT system. Genoa did have many heritage sites too.

As for heritage zone, I think it is better the transit system in heritage zone would separate but integrated with non-heritage zone systems. Tram is suitable in heritage zone but have limited functionality outside heritage zone. It is glad that Penang should revive its tram, but it should limited within George Town and well integrated with metro systems connecting into the subrural areas and its satelite towns.

Public bicycle rental system and well planned bicycle lane, as well as the almost the whole heritage site as car free zone.

Thirdly, learn from Hong Kong Public Light Bus system. PLB although have smaller capacity, but it have better flexibility and providing jobs for the folks too. I think a fleet of several hundreds of PLB itself could serve the metropolis well.
 

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5) I am sure that there will be 2 track each from AMG and KLJ both ended at Putra Height Station.


Some random thoughts:

1) Integrate Transit Masterplan with Automobile / Traffic / Parking policies, instead of planning everything independently in a piecemeal manner.

2) Tunnel in Core and Periphery of UNESCO World Heritage area to minimise visual impact.

3) Reform land use according to the Transit-Oriented Development model, beginning with land within 500 meter from the stations. If possible, allow the operator to develop the land to fund the project in lieu of government funding. Also build large bus interchange with multiple lanes, not just a few roadside bays, and reserve large tracts of land for urban forest / greenery.

4) Make sure all transport hubs, including Butterworth KTM station are linked directly, not through feeder buses, so are important commercial hubs and tourist hotspots. Ferries should be maintained, but cannot be made the sole connection like now (no public local bus runs through bridge now, besides the peak hour BEST routes).

5) Make sure there are spatial provision for future upgrades even if it seems unncessary for now, including but not limited to line extensions (don't repeat the mistake of Titiwangsa Monorail with end of track facing the LRT track at same level, or Putra Heights LRT where extension will be difficult as both lines are reduced to single track, even if extension seems unnecessary for now), as well as maintain provision of station expansion for longer trains (don't repeat the mistake of MRT 1).

6) Allow room for future cross platform interchange in the same structure when new lines are built. Follow the example of Lai King MTR in Hong Kong, where a single island platform station serving a single line was converted into a station with double storey island platforms, to provide cross platform interchange between the old line and the new Airport commuter line. (Airport express line passes at another level without stopping.)

7) Other commercial, educational, residential, industrial areas should be linked directly if possible, otherwise with feeder buses.

8) Access areas with high population even if it means boring tunnels, instead of following corridors of high tension pylons or monsoon drains and end up next to some remote low density neighbourhood.

9) Everywhere else even low density neighbourhood, posh bunglow areas etc shall be served with frequent feeder buses as well, just like other commercial, residential, industrial areas or tourist hotspots. Some trunk bus lines linking remote areas to Port Weld / Georgetown can be converted into feeders.

10) Procure coaches with space allocated for luggages and bikes. Retain at least one car every EMU set for quiet car, where people cannot chat on phones, and ringtones should be turned to vibration mode.

Will add from time to time.
 

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I wonder whether it is a good idea and feasible just to extend the EDTP track from Butterworth to PIA via Weld Quay, Komtar, etc.

Underground of course.

This line can be supported by BRT services at-grade.
 

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LRT is good but not enough.

The heritage zone does need transport but obviously an elevated structure is out of the picture for this area.

I hope they can plan a tram-train system. This system combines both the train operating aspect as well as tram (tight running). This will reduce the need of transfer between the LRT system and also proposed tram in the centre.

If there is tram-train system, you will see LRT-like operation from airport to Komtar, then it can operate as tram when it reaches the heritage zone. Direct connection from the airport to the heritage zone assured.
Tram-train? Reminds me of the Frankfurt U-Bahn and Rotterdam Metro where the trains look like trams (apparently).

Station architecture wise if they plan to have a station underground near the heritage zone (ideally outside the zone but with good connections with potential tram&buses), it would be wise to give the station vestibule a classic facade to blend in with the zone. At the same time there has to be a big enough bus stop/waiting area so that a larger amount of pax and bus can be served. it will be a busy station after all.
 

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Penang denies report on LRT project

GEORGE TOWN, April 16 ― A light rail transit (LRT) project has yet to be approved in Penang as the state government is still evaluating the six packages submitted by bidders for the Penang Master Transport Plan, a state executive councillor said today.
Local government and traffic management committee chairman Chow Kon Yeow refuted local daily The Star’s report today that quoted anonymous sources as saying construction of a 17.5km elevated LRT project is slotted to start next year.
“The newspaper quoted “reliable sources” which is not so reliable because we have not awarded the Master Transport Plan project to any bidder yet,” Chow said in a press conference today.
The Penang Transport Master Plan is a massive RM27 billion comprehensive plan designed to resolve traffic congestion woes on the island.
The plan includes suggestions for a more comprehensive public transportation system that includes the LRT, public buses, trams, the undersea tunnel connecting the island to the mainland and expansion of major road.
Chow said all the bidders have proposed different transportation system packages, some with a combination of LRT, trams and buses.
“We can't give out any details for this yet because we have not shortlisted the bidder so it could be any of the proposed packages,” he said.
The Request for Proposal for the massive project closed on February 16 and the state is still studying the proposals by six bidders.
“We have four months to evaluate the proposals, to go through the financial and technical aspects, before awarding the project,” he said.
The earliest date the state could expect to shortlist the bidders will be in early May for a second round of evaluations.
Chow said it could take Penang up to seven months to award the project to the successful bidder from the closing date.
He also refuted The Star report that claimed the successful bidder will get to reclaim about 566ha of land in Seberang Prai.
“This is mere speculation by the newspaper because we have not made any decisions on the project,” he said.
source: https://sg.news.yahoo.com/penang-denies-report-lrt-project-063900931.html
 

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Penang denies report on LRT project

GEORGE TOWN, April 16 ― A light rail transit (LRT) project has yet to be approved in Penang as the state government is still evaluating the six packages submitted by bidders for the Penang Master Transport Plan, a state executive councillor said today.
Local government and traffic management committee chairman Chow Kon Yeow refuted local daily The Star’s report today that quoted anonymous sources as saying construction of a 17.5km elevated LRT project is slotted to start next year.
“The newspaper quoted “reliable sources” which is not so reliable because we have not awarded the Master Transport Plan project to any bidder yet,” Chow said in a press conference today.
The Penang Transport Master Plan is a massive RM27 billion comprehensive plan designed to resolve traffic congestion woes on the island.
The plan includes suggestions for a more comprehensive public transportation system that includes the LRT, public buses, trams, the undersea tunnel connecting the island to the mainland and expansion of major road.
Chow said all the bidders have proposed different transportation system packages, some with a combination of LRT, trams and buses.
“We can't give out any details for this yet because we have not shortlisted the bidder so it could be any of the proposed packages,” he said.
The Request for Proposal for the massive project closed on February 16 and the state is still studying the proposals by six bidders.
“We have four months to evaluate the proposals, to go through the financial and technical aspects, before awarding the project,” he said.
The earliest date the state could expect to shortlist the bidders will be in early May for a second round of evaluations.
Chow said it could take Penang up to seven months to award the project to the successful bidder from the closing date.
He also refuted The Star report that claimed the successful bidder will get to reclaim about 566ha of land in Seberang Prai.
“This is mere speculation by the newspaper because we have not made any decisions on the project,” he said.
source: https://sg.news.yahoo.com/penang-denies-report-lrt-project-063900931.html

There you go - reminder, again, always take media reports with a pinch of salt hahah !!! :bash:
 

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I think a MRT line would be ideal for Cross Island line since there will more people living in seberang perai.

This MRT line should connect Penang's Airport -> Buttorworth -> Penang Island -> Queensbay area. So this heavy line will serve the purpose of carrying people between island and mainland + send people to the most vibrant place + send people to airport and KTM.

In future Penang's governor can ask people to buy cheaper house at seberang perai and use this MRT to go penang island for work and leisure only. This will let people to get affordable house + easy connection to Penang island. Therefore cross island line should be MRT instead of LRT as there will be more people travelling between island and mainland.

They should also build another LRT/Monorail underground line in penang island just to increase the catchment of passenger of the island especially connect all dense area in penang.

Tram line would be ideal for world's heritage area.

Few BRT line in seberang perai and all end at the MRT station at seberang perai and let those people use the MRT to go to Penang Island.
 

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Tram-train? Reminds me of the Frankfurt U-Bahn and Rotterdam Metro where the trains look like trams (apparently).

Station architecture wise if they plan to have a station underground near the heritage zone (ideally outside the zone but with good connections with potential tram&buses), it would be wise to give the station vestibule a classic facade to blend in with the zone. At the same time there has to be a big enough bus stop/waiting area so that a larger amount of pax and bus can be served. it will be a busy station after all.
Yes, for Rotterdam (RandstadRail).

This is tram-train, in Karlsruhe, Germany.

Running as tram



Running as commuter train

 

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well i think penang road not much place to put tram network, specially in heritage area.
base our culture, so many road incident, possible too car/bike/lorry will losing control hit tram too. still LRT and Monorel still more suite to our country.
 

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I think a MRT line would be ideal for Cross Island line since there will more people living in seberang perai.

This MRT line should connect Penang's Airport -> Buttorworth -> Penang Island -> Queensbay area. So this heavy line will serve the purpose of carrying people between island and mainland + send people to the most vibrant place + send people to airport and KTM.

In future Penang's governor can ask people to buy cheaper house at seberang perai and use this MRT to go penang island for work and leisure only. This will let people to get affordable house + easy connection to Penang island. Therefore cross island line should be MRT instead of LRT as there will be more people travelling between island and mainland.

They should also build another LRT/Monorail underground line in penang island just to increase the catchment of passenger of the island especially connect all dense area in penang.

Tram line would be ideal for world's heritage area.

Few BRT line in seberang perai and all end at the MRT station at seberang perai and let those people use the MRT to go to Penang Island.
well Penang have many limitation for city planning, population, geographic, road, space, airport limitation, cost, more importance both State vs Federal Gov.
still MRT to big and cost for penang, stream line to LRT more ideal and can reduce deport requirement for MRT and LRT.
some place Monorel is enough. remember Georgetown are only have about 600k population. it can cover to operation cost still the issue.
LRT+Monorail is good combination.

Other issue already mention by many member, cost built metro under ground is 3-4 time than above land. and so many WW2 old house in penang it safe to built under ground during construction time need to consider, just like issue Jalan sultan.

still i think Penang gov and Federal Gov need to sit down discuss what future Penang transportation. future of Penang Airport.
and i think not that agree using Land to pay the construction cost.
 
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