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OK OK, relax people, relax. The NSW Government has the solution for all congestion problems in Sydney:

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/new-superorbital-for-citys-west/2008/06/27/1214472770858.html

SMH said:
Revealed: new super-orbital for city's west



Andrew Clennell State Political Editor
June 28, 2008

AN OUTER-western Sydney orbital motorway that would stretch some 70 kilometres, from near Casula in the south-west to Penrith and then north to Rouse Hill, is on the agenda for the State Government.

Plans to build the road, needed to cope with an expected influx of 1.1 million people into Sydney over the next 25 years, are revealed in the State Government's submission to the Federal Government's Infrastructure Australia, obtained by the Herald.

Government planners are understood to believe the motorway - which they argue is needed despite the recent construction of the M7 - would cost $3 billion in today's dollars. The submission says that land should be acquired for the road.

"Over the next 25 years, the boundary of the Greater Sydney region will expand to accommodate an additional 1.1 million people," the submission says.

"When considering long-term transport infrastructure, it would be prudent to fund the purchase and reservation of lands for an outer-western Sydney Orbital route (Outer Sydney Motorway) to accommodate this growth."

Infrastructure Australia is conducting an audit of the country's infrastructure needs and developing a priority list for federal funding that will be considered by a premiers' conference in March.

In more bad news for Sydney's long-suffering commuters and motorists, the submission warns of a host of looming problems in rail and on the roads.

The submission says that the cost of traffic congestion - currently estimated at $3.5 billion - will rise by 123 per cent by 2020 to $7.8 billion.

Part of the Government's solution is to build metro lines to the north-west and west, but overcrowding on trains and congestion on the roads is expected to remain an issue.

"Overcrowding will remain a problem, particularly on the western line," the submission says.

"The consequences of overcrowding could put at risk rail's share of the passenger transport task which is critical to reducing road congestion.

"Passenger volume capacity ratios in 2016 (even after capacity enhancements) continue to show demand exceeding infrastructure capacity on key parts of the rail network.

"Overcrowding is both undesirable and problematic because it causes discomfort for passengers and leads to declining reliability and, ultimately, significant disruption to the train timetable during peak travel periods."

The submission says Sydney's population will grow by about 1.1 million to 5.3 million by 2031 with the areas that experience the "highest growth in population and employment density" being "the western spine from the CBD through Sydney Olympic Park to Penrith and the global economic corridor from Macquarie Park to the airport and Port Botany".

The report foreshadows the replacement of a canal which funnels 20 per cent of Sydney's water supply. The 64-kilometre canal channels water to Sydney from dams other than the city's largest, Warragamba.

The canal was put into service in 1888. The Government is understood to be considering a $900 million to $1.2 billion replacement tunnel.
 

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Didn't I just say to Morris yesterday to stop building any more of these things? I'm going to have to call in his mother :bash:
 

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Why not just upgrade the Northern Road from Campbelltown to Windsor and Extend the M7 to Windsor. Building an entirely new road is a waste of time and money.
 

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I have always looked at The Northern Road with one eye on at least acquiring a motorway-width reservation in the off chance it is needed in the future. However, the planned Oran Park town centre has The Northern Road running right through the centre of it, with no bypass corridor made available.

As far as Penrith/Kingswood goes, i think a less disruptive route than using the Metroad 9 corridor would be to swing east and use the Werrington Arterial corridor.

Not that I think any of this should ever ever ever go ahead.
 

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I wouldn't get too worried about this being built any time soon. It's a pipe dream for the forseeable future. Remember that Vicroads floated an outer Western Ring Road a few months ago and obviously nothing has come of that.
 

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The Vicroads one, afaik, was just a planning study. This, according to the article, is a submission for funding to the Federal Government.

Whether or not the FG is likely to pay for it, it still shows that the NSW Government has no grasp on how to plan for the future.
 

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Perhaps Rouse Hill is the latest thinking for the southern terminus of a road to connect Westie Sydney with the F3 somewhere near Gosford.
 

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So what's the money we get an outer outer orbital from Mittagong to Oberon to Cessnock before the metro ever sees the light of day?
Stage 2 will connect to Wollongong/Nowra and Newcastle/Port Stephens. Then we could be that Blue Mountains motorway from the M2 across the mountains near Bells Line of Road connecting with this new motorway. Then we infill with housing estates, making the Blue Mountains National Park far more interesting, especially with that new Super Mega Mall in the Jamison Valley. You're onto it! No doubt funding will come soon.

Why is everyone whining? Sydney needs more motorways so it makes it easier for us to drive to places and stuff. Who catches bloody trains anyway? Jobless hippies I reckon, not real men, we drive Fords and Holdens or delivery vans.
 

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if sydney had 15million people in it, the map would look ok. the fact is it doesn't, and that it will be sprawl all the way out there. i'm all for them building this if they stop building sprawl!! then sydney could have a massive metro and good road network like paris or something ahhhh.

looks like something i whipped up in paint several years ago:

 

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^^^^ :lol::lol:

Seriously though, instead of a dual carriage-way motorway, they should instead for the dream run build something like a quad-track railway. Two tracks can be allocated to passengers and the other two for freight. The track should be built with the least amount of curves possible to allow for higher speed train travel between the new growth centers that will appear along the line.

Possible benefits with additional completion of the Maldon-Dombarton (correct?) line would mean freight not having to go anywhere near or to interfere with any suburban services. Although, this is mainly for services heading to the Blue Mountains from the Southern Highlands or South Coast or vise-versa. The track can also be extended to Berowra to provide a full orbital rail network so freight can bypass inner Sydney.

Now that'd be more of a dream run, an orbital rail network!
 

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I dont think we need it for the time being. Sort out The Northern Road first. One of my friends drives on the Northern Road from Penrith to Campbelltown and they told me that it's dangerous to drive especially at night. It might save a few lives in the process.
 
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