Poets Place | Great Homer Street | 127 Apartments | 5-8 Storeys

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Chris B

Discussion Starter · Nov 25, 2017

This thread is for the development of a site on Great Homer Street, adjacent to the City Point student flats development, and across Clegg Street to the rear from the on-site Phoenix Place development. The plans call for a part 6/7 storey L-shaped building, comprising ground floor parking, with 103 one and two bed apartments above. The split is 65/35 towards one bed apartments. The developer is Caro, who previously completed the restoration of a derelict terrace on Shaw Street up the hill. The architect is FCH.

Planning Application

Application Number - 17F/3307
Site Address - Clegg Street Liverpool L5 3SP
Proposal - To erect part seven, part six residential development comprising 103 apartments (C3), following demolition of existing buildings with associated access, servicing, parking and landscaping.
Applicant - Caro Developments

From here - http://northgate.liverpool.gov.uk/P...tion Details&PUBLIC=Y&XMLSIDE=&DAURI=PLANNING

The original plans called for a stepped building. Rising from 7 storeys adjacent to City Point, up to 9 storeys adjacent to Everton Park. After pre-planning discussions with the council's HRC (Height Reduction Committee), the building will now be a more uniform 7 storeys, with a slight reduction down to 6 storeys adjacent to the park. On both sections, the uppermost floor will be recessed back to reduce the impression of height further.

The Site
- Original images from Google Maps/Street View. Copyright to Google.

https://flic.kr/p/DJacN1

- The site currently present a dead frontage to Great Homer Street.

https://flic.kr/p/DJacXu

Renders
- Images copyright to the copyright holder.
- Front elevation

https://flic.kr/p/DJad6q

- Rear elevation

https://flic.kr/p/DJadtE

Facade Treatment
- Image copyright to the copyright holder.

https://flic.kr/p/DJadhN

The needless height reduction is disappointing. The original pre-planning proposal, with its stepped roofline had more about it I think -

https://flic.kr/p/21S2T2p
Copyright to the copyright holder. Shown here for informational purposes only.

However, it's still a solid proposal, and it continues the explosion of developments in this area, which is good too.

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B&I

· #2 · Nov 25, 2017

In a pleasing way, some elevations of that are reminiscent of the neo-Georgian interwar flats whoch used to proliferate in that area.

Ste

· #3 · Nov 25, 2017

That looks quite smart. I wonder what is fuelling this mini boom in this area? The investment in Project Jennifer maybe?

Portobello Red

· #4 · Nov 25, 2017 (Edited)

Chris B said:
Renders
- Images copyright to the copyright holder.
- Front elevation
https://flic.kr/p/DJad6q

- Rear elevation
https://flic.kr/p/DJadtE

Looks like AHMM's Grand Union Studios on Ladbroke Grove, which is a decent building

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B&I

· #5 · Nov 25, 2017

Ste said:
That looks quite smart. I wonder what is fuelling this mini boom in this area? The investment in Project Jennifer maybe?

Psychological impact, maybe. As Project Jennifer and other stuff show that successful developments are possible in this long-neglected area, other developers will chance their arms, particularly while the land is still probably cheap-ish. Makes me wonder what similar schemes could be used to inspire similar confidence in other underdeveloped areas surrounding the city centre.

PeterStoba

· #6 · Nov 25, 2017

Chris B said:
After pre-planning discussions with the council's HRC (Height Reduction Committee).

Please tell me you're joking!

Caro = Legacie = Jamworks so the majority of developments round here are ultimately from the same people

LABlue

· #7 · Nov 25, 2017

Ste said:
That looks quite smart. I wonder what is fuelling this mini boom in this area? The investment in Project Jennifer maybe?

I'm guessing cheap land that's still close to John Moores.

Chris B

Discussion Starter · #8 · Nov 25, 2017

PeterStoba said:
Please tell me you're joking!

Yeah, tongue was planted in cheek there, but they may as well call themselves that, as that seems to be what they do most of the time.

PeterStoba

· #9 · Nov 25, 2017

Chris B said:
Yeah, tongue was planted in cheek there, but they may as well call themselves that, as that seems to be what they do most of the time.

You never know in this city! :lol:

Liverpool1207

· #10 · Nov 26, 2017

I gave Caro some historical info to help them come up with a name for this scheme. I wonder what they will go with?

Good news also on your new plans which will fit well with Project Jennifer and other local developments.

Ref the name lots of early possibilities as the site was up until 1950 the site of the Great Homer St Wesleyan Church, built 1839. A few snippets that need confirming:

· built to replace Leeds St church

· memorial to Charles Horsfall, Mayor 1832-33

· frequented by Everton FC Chairman George Mahon

· Badly damaged by bombing 1941

· Known as the Centenary Church

. There was an impressive clock tower outside the North Haymarket facing your new site (or more your existing site):

It was also opposite the North Haymarket. This became a munitions factory in WWI and was visited by the King http://merseyside-at-war.org/story/north-haymarket-munitions-factory/

Sheridan St ran adjacent

Various well-known tenements opposite off Scotland Road – Victoria Square – Juvenal – Lawrence Gardens

There were several Boundary Stones very close by

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Portobello Red

· #11 · Nov 26, 2017

Maybe they should highlight the incompetence of the council regenerating Great Homer Street by calling it Homer-Phobic :nuts:

Flan

· #12 · Nov 28, 2017

https://www.placenorthwest.co.uk/news/developer-proposes-seven-storey-block-for-great-homer-street/

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romablue

· #13 · Aug 9, 2018 (Edited by Moderator)

According to the FCH website their designed proposal for Clegg Street got planning approval but I don't find a thread for it? Maybe its under another name or location?

At Clegg Street, proposals for new build residential accommodation of 97 apartments incorporating a mix of one and two bedrooms, stepping up from five storeys to eight were approved.

The scheme, for Caro Developments, will enhance its location by replacing a dilapidated building and providing an active frontage. A series of ‘steps’ into the Great Homer Street façade result in external space for the residents which will host views across the city.

FCH Architects

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Chris B

Discussion Starter · #14 · Aug 9, 2018

^^

Post moved into this thread.

It's good to finally see a proper render of this one, and I think it looks quite good. Certainly a lot better than the blank wall and overgrown vegetation that's there right now.

There is a small discrepancy between what FCH are reporting (97 apartments) and what the approved planning application states (93 apartments), so I've gone with the planning application in the thread title.

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Ste

· #15 · Aug 9, 2018

I like this one too. The height and active street frontages are spot on. Caro developments seem to be reputable developers too so fingers crossed we see a start on site soon.

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mmcd

· #16 · Aug 9, 2018

Shame they can't continue this scale all the way down greater homer street with street level stores rather than retail sheds : /

Also, the public realm and general layout of the roads really needs something around here now, the sweeping motorway is a mess, surely they can cover part of it and take back the central circle where those big factory sheds are on the Kingsway approach?

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westisbest

· #17 · Aug 9, 2018

romablue said:
According to the FCH website their designed proposal for Clegg Street got planning approval but I don't find a thread for it? Maybe its under another name or location?

FCH Architects

The Range Rover, Audi S7 and Peugeot are all CGI :banana:

Nice scheme though. A decent array of schemes around here, with the 2 Rose place phases added in to the mix.

Pietari

· #18 · Aug 10, 2018

That looks really good...

Roses and Snow

· #19 · Aug 10, 2018

mmcd said:
Shame they can't continue this scale all the way down greater homer street with street level stores rather than retail sheds : /

Also, the public realm and general layout of the roads really needs something around here now, the sweeping motorway is a mess, surely they can cover part of it and take back the central circle where those big factory sheds are on the Kingsway approach?

They'll get there. This may be stock FCH but its stock FCH they'd use closer to the centre, that tells us the city is stretching which is what it needs to do rather than cannibalising every few decades

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Chris B

Discussion Starter · #20 · Dec 20, 2018

A planning application has been submitted to vary the make-up of the units in this development.

The changes are as follows -

One bed - 61 units -> 76 units
Two bed - 32 units -> 8 units
Studios - 2 units -> 43 units

Total - 93 units - > 127 units

Link - http://northgate.liverpool.gov.uk/P...ins/Liverpool_WIP/Menus/PL.xml&DAURI=PLANNING

Slightly disappointing in one respect as it will take a bit more time now to rumble through the planning system, when we might have reasonably expected to see something on-site by now. On the other hand, it shows it's not dead, so small wins I suppose.

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