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Poland's TGV System for Euro 2012
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This excellent news and the fans will appreciate it no doubt come Euro 2012! The trains could do up to 250km/h on modernised tracks.
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Poland will have TGV
http://www2.e2012.org/en/2_1275.html
Super-fast railways will be deployed in Poland – such promise was made by PKP Intercity company. Granting to Poland and Ukraine of the right to host EURO accelerated the decision of PKP Intercity to purchase trains travelling at the speed of 220-230 km/h.
According to company spokesperson, Adrianna Chibowska, such trains would run along the southern connection (Warsaw – Krakow – Katowice), or the northern one (Warsaw – Gdansk).
The tender for purchase of super-fast trains will be announced at the turn of 2007 and 2008.
- The first step for creation of super-fast railways is the purchase of the train by PKP Intercity. Only then Polskie Linie Kolejowe will commence construction of the tracks – this is how the procedure was explained by the PKP Intercity spokesperson.
The company also announced introduction of other solutions facilitating movement of fans during EURO 2012 in Poland and Ukraine.
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Poland's PKP Intercity railways to spend $543 million to buy TGV
07 May 2007 bbj.hu
PKP Intercity wants to transport its passengers with TGV trains running over 200km/h. The railway company wants to buy 20 trains.
After Poland was granted the rights to organize European football championships, PKP Intercity decided to buy TGV trains faster than planned before. „We have decided to buy 20 trains within 2-3 years”, Czeslaw Warsewicz, PKP IC CEO. The feasibility study of the project is being conducted already. According to initial estimates, 20 trains will cost 1.5 billion (€400 million, $543 million). The project will be financed fifty-fifty from the company’s own funds and EU funds.
PKP IC wants to get funds from EU transport program for the years 2007-2013. The company has its own fund. Last year, it had 32 million zloty of net income. This year should be similar with record Q1 results - for the first time in history, the company had net income in the Q1 which is traditionally very difficult for railways. Besides, the company can borrow money. „We can get 200 million zloty even today”, Czeslaw Warsewicz assured.
According to initial itinerary, first TGV trains would start operations in Poland in 2010-2011. The problem is that the railway infrastructure is too old in some parts to go faster then 160km/h, and there are sections where trains have to slow down to several dozens km/h. It is up to PKP Polskie Koleje Liniowe, the company responsible for the railway infrastructure, whether TGV trains will be able to go fast in Poland. (railway-market.pl)
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PKP to Welcome Euro 2012 with TGV Trains
8 May 2007 - Polish News Bulletin
The PKP Intercity railway carrier is jumping on the bandwagon of the Euro 2012 football championships. It has decided to purchase 20 TGV trains within the next two or three years, a move the company has long planned but for many years postponed due to lack of funding and the bad condition of the railway infrastructure in Poland. However, with the high-profile sporting event ahead, PKP Intercity decided that it is now time for action. As the Puls Biznesu daily reports, work is already under way to conduct a feasibility study. According to initial estimates, the project will consume some EUR380m (nearly ZL1.5bn), which the company intends to acquire from two sources: its own resources; and EU funds, namely from the Sectoral Operational Programme Transport. As for PKP's own money, the company had net profits of ZL32m in 2006 and its ambitions for this year are also quite high. For the first time in its history, PKP Intercity ended the first quarter in the black.
This excellent news and the fans will appreciate it no doubt come Euro 2012!
The trains could do up to 250km/h on modernised tracks.
Poland will have TGV
http://www2.e2012.org/en/2_1275.html
Super-fast railways will be deployed in Poland – such promise was made by PKP Intercity company. Granting to Poland and Ukraine of the right to host EURO accelerated the decision of PKP Intercity to purchase trains travelling at the speed of 220-230 km/h.
According to company spokesperson, Adrianna Chibowska, such trains would run along the southern connection (Warsaw – Krakow – Katowice), or the northern one (Warsaw – Gdansk).
The tender for purchase of super-fast trains will be announced at the turn of 2007 and 2008.
- The first step for creation of super-fast railways is the purchase of the train by PKP Intercity. Only then Polskie Linie Kolejowe will commence construction of the tracks – this is how the procedure was explained by the PKP Intercity spokesperson.
The company also announced introduction of other solutions facilitating movement of fans during EURO 2012 in Poland and Ukraine.
Poland's PKP Intercity railways to spend $543 million to buy TGV
07 May 2007 bbj.hu
PKP Intercity wants to transport its passengers with TGV trains running over 200km/h. The railway company wants to buy 20 trains.
After Poland was granted the rights to organize European football championships, PKP Intercity decided to buy TGV trains faster than planned before. „We have decided to buy 20 trains within 2-3 years”, Czeslaw Warsewicz, PKP IC CEO. The feasibility study of the project is being conducted already. According to initial estimates, 20 trains will cost 1.5 billion (€400 million, $543 million). The project will be financed fifty-fifty from the company’s own funds and EU funds.
PKP IC wants to get funds from EU transport program for the years 2007-2013. The company has its own fund. Last year, it had 32 million zloty of net income. This year should be similar with record Q1 results - for the first time in history, the company had net income in the Q1 which is traditionally very difficult for railways. Besides, the company can borrow money. „We can get 200 million zloty even today”, Czeslaw Warsewicz assured.
According to initial itinerary, first TGV trains would start operations in Poland in 2010-2011. The problem is that the railway infrastructure is too old in some parts to go faster then 160km/h, and there are sections where trains have to slow down to several dozens km/h. It is up to PKP Polskie Koleje Liniowe, the company responsible for the railway infrastructure, whether TGV trains will be able to go fast in Poland. (railway-market.pl)
PKP to Welcome Euro 2012 with TGV Trains
8 May 2007 - Polish News Bulletin
The PKP Intercity railway carrier is jumping on the bandwagon of the Euro 2012 football championships. It has decided to purchase 20 TGV trains within the next two or three years, a move the company has long planned but for many years postponed due to lack of funding and the bad condition of the railway infrastructure in Poland. However, with the high-profile sporting event ahead, PKP Intercity decided that it is now time for action. As the Puls Biznesu daily reports, work is already under way to conduct a feasibility study. According to initial estimates, the project will consume some EUR380m (nearly ZL1.5bn), which the company intends to acquire from two sources: its own resources; and EU funds, namely from the Sectoral Operational Programme Transport. As for PKP's own money, the company had net profits of ZL32m in 2006 and its ambitions for this year are also quite high. For the first time in its history, PKP Intercity ended the first quarter in the black.
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Finally a realistic and achieveable project to for high speed operations in Poland. For the last few years I have been reading reports of many new studies for a new HSLs in Poland and most of them ignore that the CMK line (Warsaw to Katowice & Krakow) which was engineered for High Speed Trains in the 1970's. This proposal appears to be based on the CMK. Of course there were level crosings, limited signaling and no trains capable for more than 160 km/h for a long time so its potential has never been realised. Improving this line will involve only crossing removal and better signaling as well as new trains.Poland's TGV System for Euro 2012
This excellent news and the fans will appreciate it no doubt come Euro 2012!
North of Warsaw to Gdansk is a little more work, but I believe that, there has been an ongoing program of small improvements which will support the operation of tilting trains such the ETR-460 from Fiat (now Alstom) which I think holds the Polish rail speed record set on the CMK a few years ago.
Of course this procurement will have to meet EU regualtions but, unless Alstom has let the Fiat designs lapse, I would expect that they will make a highly competitive proposal. After 15 years of rejection by SNCF, maybe we will finally see a French tilting TGV, however it will be operating in Poland.
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There are a number of options, I really hope they start to invest in a proper TGV style system (obviously more work and cost but all do-able) and build it up. Not a fan of tilts and the tilt route isn't really tgv class IMO:
TGV:
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KTX:
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Spanish AVE (TGV):
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TGV's have visited Poland a few times for festivals etc:
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German ICE style Bombadiers:
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TGV:
KTX:
Spanish AVE (TGV):
TGV's have visited Poland a few times for festivals etc:
German ICE style Bombadiers:
Great news! Soon all of Europe will be HSR!
Sorry to dissapoint you guys, but having observed the PKP for my entire life I've grown more realistic. I believe they'll buy the trains and get them before 2012, even around 2010. But the infrastructure (not only tracks, but safety systems, electrical network) almost for sure will not be able to handle the trains with speeds exceeding 200. As for today I predict that CMK will be around 200-220, and the rest of the lines decent 160. Sorry, but thats my view over PKP which can spend gazillion of euros for moving papers from one desk to another and end in total mess. Oh, I wish I were wrong
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Agreed, TGV is cool and ICE is nice as well! Even if they can't run full speed by 2012 it's still the way to go. Invest in the future. They don't even have to change the colour scheme on the ICE
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