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In a general interest of Melbourne's playground, and not noticing any commuter ferry services in and around the bay. There is one i know off, the Queenscliff to Sorrento-Portsea service.

Are there any others planned for the bay?

Sorrento-Port Melbourne is a good option, as is Geelong, Mornington and Franskton. Is there a demand for an expansion of the Port ferry service?
 

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A private operator tried running such a service last year. It was spectacularly unsuccessful.

If you live in any of the above places, chances are you don't work in Melbourne, and if you do, you really shouldn't.
 

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MrPC said:
A private operator tried running such a service last year. It was spectacularly unsuccessful.

If you live in any of the above places, chances are you don't work in Melbourne, and if you do, you really shouldn't.
Actually they hadn't done their homework and it was only after the service started they found out that it was too dangerous for the boat to dock at Frankston and Mornington and it was going to cost hundreds of thousands of dollars to upgrade the peirs. They didn't have the money and that was the end of the bay ferry service ;-0

There are a lot of people who live in Frankston-Rosebud who work in Melbourne, I think they are insane but it is true.
 

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^ Why was so dangerous to dock at Mornington and Frankston?

So there is no commuter need for a service. O.k :)

I just thought that it would save 30 kilometres to ferry rather than drive from Port Melb to Sorrento. Perhaps a wacky theme park on the Morington Peninsula would spice up private investors again.
 

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Actually they hadn't done their homework and it was only after the service started they found out that it was too dangerous for the boat to dock at Frankston and Mornington and it was going to cost hundreds of thousands of dollars to upgrade the peirs.
Hence the spectacularly part.

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There are a lot of people who live in Frankston-Rosebud who work in Melbourne, I think they are insane but it is true.
Just don't encourage them by providing services to make their choice any easier.
 

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After learning that Portsea is the 'richest' postcode in Australia, a few residents could even buy the private service of Port Phillip!
 

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After learning that Portsea is the 'richest' postcode in Australia, a few residents could even buy the private service of Port Phillip!
I'm sure they could afford their own catamarans, jetskis, yachts or whatever if they wanted to make a quick dash up the bay to Melbourne.

Why would they want a public service? It might bring more riff-raff. :)
 

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The passenger numbers carried by the trams and harbour ferries are massively overwhelmed by those carried by each city's suburban heavy rail system. Why would you define the city's PT system that way aside from the fact that the other city doesn't have one or the other.

If you look at most Australian cities compared to NZ or US cities, just about any Australian city is definately a suburban heavy rail city.
 

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True that every major city is serviced mostly by heavy rail, first and foremost, but was simply generalising about the alterenative means of PT.

I was saying that Mel will always plan future tram networks and not care to invest in ferry network like Sydneys, which in turn, will always plan other light/heavy rail and ferry netowrk expansion options, rather than a completely new tram network, like MELbs.

Just thought that Melbs PT (which is the nations best IMO) is based on trams/trains...with no ferry network. Which would be nice to see, as it is strategically placed on Port Philip Bay, with many satellite cities located around the bay with sufficient population to use a ferry network.> if proposed that is.
 

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An example of Mel centering PT around trams/trains is at Flinders Street Railway Station.

The station is located above ground on prime Yarra waterfrontage near the CBD/Southbank. The waterfrontage, if located in Sydney, would be the centrepiece of Ferry network. (Difference being the harbour vs. Bay)

Being in Mel it is wasted as an eyesore (debatable). I feel the station should be completely underground, and having a precinct similar to Southbank on it, called....wait for it...Northbank!

But as others have suggested, there isnt a need (for another) port/ferry terminal as the patronage for the area would be low. Geelong- CBD Northbank ferry express service sounds nice though!
 

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Considering it takes half an hour to get any ferry from anywhere near Flinders St Station to the Bay (Williamstown/Webb Dock) before it is allowed to open up to full speed, there is no point whatsoever in Melbourne running ferries from bay locations to "Northbank". There are wash limits, low speed limits, and it's a commercial shipping channel so sometimes you can't get a ferry through the river at all.
 

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Sydney Harbour has ample lateral space, no low bridges, and almost no freight anymore.

Along the Yarra you have Swanston Dock, Victoria Dock, Appelton Dock and the Maribyrnong too. It's a fairly narrow river in parts, and some of the ships are huge. You'd have difficulty running real ferries with real transit at times. Plus there's a lot of wash considerations and five low bridges upstream. Ferries that carry a few dozen or maybe a hundred people a piece will not make a scrap of difference in the grand scheme of things.

When operators have tried, they will generally run to Port Melbourne, which is on Tram 109. They could also now run to Central Pier Docklands, which has no low bridges but that would still take a good 20 mins from Williamstown and would still be subject to shipping movements.
 

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The best option (if it started) would be to have it at station peir in port melbourne. in the bay already, and have the freey tickets work on trams too (so you can catch the 109 into the city once you got off the ferry) But.... WHy would you want to go on a ferry that would take say, 1 hour+ (guesstimate) to reach the city, or a 45min train ride right into flinders street, not just to station pier.

No real need for it, it would not cut times, only service that might make money would be Frankstone-portsea-Geelong
 

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Dang! For a long time I idealised about such a service running into, say, Northbank's turning basin or at the very least to a new dock at the stadium precinct - or at the Western end of Victoria Harbour, to be serviced by a tram service running up an extended Collins St., but Mr PC has pointed out difficulties I was not aware of. Perhaps if Webb Dock was expanded (as an alternative to the current dredging proposals for the river) so that less freight traffic entered the river itself, such a service would become more competitive?
Say, compare a ferry that takes 40-50 mins from Frankston to Vic Harbour with a commuter train travelling from Frankston to Flinders St.? Its gotta be close.
You could use services similar to those trawling the Brisbane river, which could easily get under Bolte Bridge. They're fairly fast, are they not?


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The maritime speed limit would probably remain in place irrespective of whether there's freight there or not. Presumably there are a few other good reasons similar to those you'd find in any other river for said limits. That'd still leave the trip from Central Pier to the mouth of the yarra a good 20 minutes, before they could throttle up and go the rest of the way.

Besides, why run an express ferry from Frankston to the City when the train from Frankston to the City serves three dozen suburbs inbetween which feed traffic into both the city and frankston as well as between the two whereas to be competitive the ferry would just serve the endpoints and thus wouldn't capture much (if any) of the conventional travel market.
 
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