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A draft framework is has been published and is to be discussed at the executive meeting next Wednesday 13th.



http://www.manchester.gov.uk/meetings/meeting/2995/executive



Few interesting snippets about the sites.


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Master_Builder
^^^^ The blocks, 1-4. Rotating from one top left clockwise.

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VDB
Fantastic stuff. I think this is the most central SRF the city council have ever released in recent times? They're usually all on the periphery so it's good that they recognize this area needs attention!

It's never going to happen, but I do sort of fantasize about a massive new shopping district here similar to Liverpool One which would stretch the city centre core down towards Whitworth St, Oxford St and Circle Square and give the Arndale a bit of competition which would force Intu into a vast redevelopment up there. The shops would be situated beneath massive skyscrapers and this would be Manchester's commercial skyscraper cluster
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Is the report available? Agenda item 8 covering it doesn't seem to appeal on the link given here... Anyone point me in the right direction please?
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Cherguevara
It's been uploaded now. And it's terrible:

Site 1
A 183 bed 10 storey 4* Hotel and Casino is currently under development. It is
proposed to develop a 329 bed 17 storey 4* Hotel on the site of 55 Portland
Street.

Site 2
The Manchester One tower will be retained within the SRF as commercial
office space. The car park ramp at Major Street will be removed, which will
enable the provision of ground floor uses, including new retail and leisure
amenities. A new building and associated public realm is proposed, located on
the Chorlton Street, Portland Street corner which could form an extension of
Manchester One.

Site 3
The development of Site 3 would require significant changes to the existing
site conditions, which would require extensive discussions with the current
occupiers. However it is important to position this significant site within the
wider regeneration context of the SRF area. This site could deliver new
commercial or residential led, mixed use development, complemented by
ground floor leisure and retail units and a proposed community use facility,
and could include activity that would support the local community such as a
medical centre on Bloom Street.

Site 4
A new multi storey public car park could be located on Major Street, which
could also provide roof level garden space. Site 4 could also deliver retail and
restaurant units. Part of this building could also provide space for community
use. This SRF details community space with a gross internal area (gia) of circa
22,000 sq. ft. at street level, over multiple levels.
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It does nothing to sort out the empty space at the bottom of Manchester One, particularly the Sackville Street front and it suggests replacing the surface car park on Sackville Street with a multi-storey car park to replace the one of Chorlton Street. What Manchester City Council Planning department's fetish is for car parking in the village I don't know, but it's ridiculous. This are needs fostering and for the whole site between Aytoun and Princess Streets to be included in any redevelopment plan, this is just shite.
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Master_Builder
No issues with it personally. Sounds like they want to get rid of the Yates and build and extension onto Manchester One, I imagine to give the building a distinctive T shape. I would be quite happy to see that.

Site 3 is exciting. Seems a bit odd that they would demo a multi storey and build another across the street, but Blossom St car park is looking pretty grim nowadays, and multi storeys can be built pretty quickly. So why not. A mixed use scheme here would almost certainly mean a couple of towers alongside Manc One.
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Cherguevara said:
It's been uploaded now. And it's terrible:

It does nothing to sort out the empty space at the bottom of Manchester One, particularly the Sackville Street front and it suggests replacing the surface car park on Sackville Street with a multi-storey car park to replace the one of Chorlton Street. What Manchester City Council Planning department's fetish is for car parking in the village I don't know, but it's ridiculous. This are needs fostering and for the whole site between Aytoun and Princess Streets to be included in any redevelopment plan, this is just shite.
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This proposal would be the death knell for Pride in the City Centre too. Not sure it's worth losing one of the city's lagrest cultural festivals for the sake of a multi-storey car park. The surface one that's there is rarely full in any case.
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VDB
We shouldn't really have any multi storey car park in this location. Parking should be underground, if provided at all.

Could Pride not be relocated to one of the squares or Platt Fields Park? It could be turned into an even bigger event with a parade down Oxford Road
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james0507
A multi-storey car park?
Seriously?
A multi-storey car park?

As mentioned above, it's not even worth losing Pride for. Honestly I despair. This is pretty much the dead-middle of the city, and what we need is more car parks?

I'm all up for change around here if it's ambitious, but a multi-storey car park couldn't be further from that.
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Remember this is a draft framework and things often change. We haven't seen any form of masterplan yet.

Notice the change in language from Site 2 where it says 'will' and Site 4 where it says 'could'.

I seriously don't think MCC would risk the site for one of their largest cultural events which brings in a phenomenal amount for the Manchester economy over a MSCP.

A new multi storey public car park could be located on Major Street, which
could also provide roof level garden space.
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This in particular is interesting. Roof level could also mean ground level (if the car park is underground). I've never heard of a car park roof offering a garden to the public. Just seems odd. But if you flip it... That way we wouldn't lose the site of pride stage and it could be a large open space.
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Here's a thought: how large a cultural venue could you fit onto plot 4? A permanent hall for music or other arts could a) get rid of the surface car park, b) give it a year-round use, and c) still have it available for Pride.
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^^

It's certainly a possibility as Pride used to have a BIG Pre-party inside the Printworks and on one occasion it was at the Arena.
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james0507 said:
A multi-storey car park?
Seriously?
A multi-storey car park?

As mentioned above, it's not even worth losing Pride for. Honestly I despair. This is pretty much the dead-middle of the city, and what we need is more car parks?

I'm all up for change around here if it's ambitious, but a multi-storey car park couldn't be further from that.
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There isn't anything wrong with the odd multi-storey car park as long as its treated as a sculptural/architectural opportunity and not the stereotypical concrete/metal grated type, which sadly most car parks are. Even the new proposed car park with hotel on top opposite Oxford Road will be an interesting building.

The Cheesegrater in Sheffield:


Even the corten clad car park next to Piccadilly is quite funky:


The proposed car park/hotel on top combo for Manchester:
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james0507
They could clad it in 24 carat gold; it's still a holding facility for something the city centre needs less off (cars) in the absolute prime spot for something it needs more of (lesuire facilities, office space, green space, events space).

And nice cladding won't stop it ending up smelling of wee, like every other MSCP.
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james0507 said:
They could clad it in 24 carat gold; it's still a holding facility for something the city centre needs less off (cars) in the absolute prime spot for something it needs more of (lesuire facilities, office space, green space, events space).

And nice cladding won't stop it ending up smelling of wee, like every other MSCP.
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I agree restrictions should be placed on the use of cars in the City Centre however it has to be viewed with a degree of pragmatism.

We must appreciate Manchester is in a very difficult position. Without adequate parking jobs will just move to areas like Salford, south Manchester, Cheshire etc.

The roads into and out of Manchester are full during rush hour but equally is the Metrolink and local train services so in reality we need all capacity - whether car, bus, bike, train or tram that can be created.

Consequently, the city centre misses out induced economic impact and the council loses out on business rates.
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battenfobs
M.E.N. article

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co...ws/chorlton-street-bus-station-could-14001672
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Surveyorman
It's a pity the framework doesn't include the line of small-town shite on the opposite side of Portland Street.

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^^ Most of those buildings are very old. They're a layer of history and show the step change in commercial activity that occurred in the centre of Manchester in the latter part of the 19th Century. Any inclusion in the framework should be to introduce a signage strategy rather than a wrecking-ball to the buildings' facades in order to bring their character to the fore.
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urbnist said:
^^ Most of those buildings are very old. They're a layer of history and show the step change in commercial activity that occurred in the centre of Manchester in the latter part of the 19th Century. Any inclusion in the framework should be to introduce a signage strategy rather than a wrecking-ball to the buildings' facades in order to bring their character to the fore.
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Couldn't agree more
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urbnist said:
Most of those buildings are very old. They're a layer of history and show the step change in commercial activity that occurred in the centre of Manchester in the latter part of the 19th Century. Any inclusion in the framework should be to introduce a signage strategy rather than a wrecking-ball to the buildings' facades in order to bring their character to the fore.
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Fernando Partridge said:
Couldn't agree more
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Sorry, but couldn't disagree more. If it was down to me, get the wrecking ball out.



There are some amazing London developments going on right now that not only are high quality but have that traditional feel with all the modern regs for building/office/retail etc... If these where sold to the right developer who had the right plans in mind, something wonderful could be build here.


If these where to be sold to build similar size but new buildings with cheap and tacky rain screen and gimmicks, meh. Refurbs could work...
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