[AcesHigh]

I know the author of the photos of other social networks. interestingly, he was one of gremistas who fell in the moat of the stadium collapsed in the fence at the beginning of last year. even though he acknowledges that gremista Beira Rio stadium is more appropriate than the arena to host the World Cup. and is not the only gremista I know and think so.



"Os torcedores ficaram feridos são Patrícia Bisson, Mariele dos Santos, Felipe Vargas Albuquerque, Camila Espiazi, Diana Finckler, Valdeir Escobar, Gilvan Dias, Michel Diestmann."
http://esportes.terra.com.br/futebo...8404a178a2e8c310VgnVCM4000009bcceb0aRCRD.html

irrelevant.

first because he is not talking about which stadium is more appropriate, Beira Rio or Arena. He is only saying Arena would be appropriate. He might as well be saying that Arena should be hosting TOGETHER with Beira Rio, instead of stadiums in other cities.

second, I don´t really know why your example of the fence collapse, of a section of the stadium (terraces) that would NOT exist in a World Cup (where it must be all seated) and which was ALREADY REFORMULATED (to avoid the avalanche) is important to this discussion.

third, please provide quotes and links to prove this and so many other gremistas think Beira Rio is more adequate for the World Cup. I want to see their reasons.

Probably, the ONLY reason is that they, as well as the city administration, want to hide the large poverty in Porto Alegre from gringos.

 

[guilherme fiorin]

I do not think a serious incident like this is irrelevant or think the gremio would give up a sector to " avalanches " if the arena was chosen for the Cup (only would put seats in that sector during the event , not in 2012 ) .
Nor do any question to prove what he said . the statement was made in orkut community " libertadores eu tenho" (liberadores cup I have) if you want , you can search for posts in his topic about the Beira Rio or in other topics and, incluse in the about the arena do gremio . also can ask in his orkut profile or facebook .
I posted not because its be a essential information, just by being curious among 200 million Brazilian you post pictures of someone I know and participated in this unfortunate episode.
likewise do not think it's hide poverty . Why the Rolling Stones concert in Rio de
Janeiro , where the stage had to be assembled from scratch , they opted Copacabana beach instead of a favela ?
Simple , organizers prefer best located neighborhoods with good access instead of structure degraded areas because it facilitates the brand . the gremio partner choice by humaita the neighborhood is because the land has a lower cost and greater potential for appreciation , not because it is preferable to invest in a peripheral region. FIFA already , having the choice between a good stadium in a bad location and another in incomparably better area obviously would not take your event to the neighborhood Humaita . Do not post photos of the neighborhood here because I do not consider necessary , but you know very well the shortcomings of the local

 

[AcesHigh]

I do not think a serious incident like this is irrelevant or think the gremio would give up a sector to " avalanches " if the arena was chosen for the Cup (only would put seats in that sector during the event , not in 2012 ).

yes, and it would still be irrelevant regarding a World Cup, exactly because the sector WOULD NOT be a standing terrace during the World Cup.

it´s like saying Corinthians Stadium and Arena das Dunas and a few other stadiums are not able to host the World Cup because they will use temporary stands that will only increase capacity DURING the World Cup... oh, but in the rest of time time they will have reduced capacity not adequate to the World Cup, so they would not be able to host the World Cup :| :|

Nor do any question to prove what he said . the statement was made in orkut community " libertadores eu tenho" (liberadores cup I have) if you want , you can search for posts in his topic about the Beira Rio or in other topics and, incluse in the about the arena do gremio . also can ask in his orkut profile or facebook .

anyway, I couldn´t care less what HE said. It´s his opinion. I remember some Colorados, in the time Inter had to face either signing with AG to host the World Cup or getting out of the World Cup, had the opinion that they should themselves make the reforms and not sign with AG and screw the World Cup, send it to the Arena.

it was their opinion, which I am sure you never shared.

I posted not because its be a essential information, just by being curious among 200 million Brazilian you post pictures of someone I know and participated in this unfortunate episode.

yes, there are however much more unfortunate episodes IN THIS WORLD CUP, like Stadiums that missed the deadline for the Confederations Cup (like Beira Rio), resulting in the exclusion of the city...

and several stadiums that are missing all the deadlines of the WORLD CUP itself... again like Beira Rio. I remember you guys said it would be ready in December. It´s already February and it´s not ready. Well, externally yes, but from the photos we can see the circulation areas are still crude and unfinished.

imho, so many stadiums missing the deadlines is also an unfortunate event.

likewise do not think it's hide poverty . Why the Rolling Stones concert in Rio de
Janeiro , where the stage had to be assembled from scratch , they opted Copacabana beach instead of a favela ?
Simple , organizers prefer best located neighborhoods with good access instead of structure degraded areas because it facilitates the brand . the gremio partner choice by humaita the neighborhood is because the land has a lower cost and greater potential for appreciation , not because it is preferable to invest in a peripheral region. FIFA already , having the choice between a good stadium in a bad location and another in incomparably better area obviously would not take your event to the neighborhood Humaita . Do not post photos of the neighborhood here because I do not consider necessary , but you know very well the shortcomings of the local

right, but in São Paulo the event was taken from Morumbi to Itaquera :lol::lol:

 

[In The End]

Do not take into account opinions of those that don't have technical knowledge of the subject, and omitting facts!

 

[Sparcow]

Be careful! Giving compliments to the Arena make a lot of Rio Grande do Sul citizens get pissed off! Arround 40% of them!

 

[KOSTYK]

Be careful! Giving compliments to the Arena make a lot of Rio Grande do Sul citizens get pissed off! Arround 40% of them!

and make happy the rest of 60%. :banana:

 

[AcesHigh]

and make happy the rest of 60%. :banana:

actually, of the 11 million inhabitants of the state, I suppose some 10% do not identify themselves with either Grêmio nor Inter, or they do root ONLY for some of the small clubs from other towns and cities. Aside some hardcore supports of these small clubs, most supporters of small clubs also root for either Grêmio or Inter.

So it would be more like

36% - Inter
54% - Grêmio
10% - no club / minor clubs

 

[guilherme fiorin]

what nonsense "off topic" !!hno:hno:
could question these bizarre numbers posted, but this is not a thread about the number of fans . could also talk about the gremio absence of championship wins in the last 13 years (or before 1981), about the superiority of inter classics or the difference in the turnover of the clubs ... but this is facebook? .
my Intent was not to create a stadiums war in this thread, so click in this link and the know why arena do gremio never had a chance to host the Cup or any other event of this size




http://www.skyscrapercity.com/member.php?u=1081304&vmid=440556#vmessage440556
^^^^^^^^

 

[KingmanIII]

To summarize:

blah blah blah Humaita blah blah blah scary poor people blah blah blah blah blah

 

[Sangnaris]

what nonsense "off topic" !!hno:hno:
could question these bizarre numbers posted, but this is not a thread about the number of fans . could also talk about the gremio absence of championship wins in the last 13 years (or before 1981), about the superiority of inter classics or the difference in the turnover of the clubs ... but this is facebook? .
my Intent was not to create a stadiums war in this thread, so click in this link and the know why arena do gremio never had a chance to host the Cup or any other event of this size




http://www.skyscrapercity.com/member.php?u=1081304&vmid=440556#vmessage440556
^^^^^^^^

Then we need to change the slogan "people' club" to us. What's problem about poverty? It isn't a disease that must be hidden how it not exists.

Government must to find ways to develop and make better people lives in regions like that.

I ever told it and I will continuing repeat: Our government is absolutelly incompetent because doesn't know use the opportunities. Londres and Barcelona used great events to make investiments on regions that needs investiments.

The world cup will pass by here and the only Porto Alegre's legacy will be 5km from two or three streets reformulated in consolidated regions. Basically, Porto Alegre only make the same and the investments continuing in the rich regions.

It's a big "sub-develompent" thought.

 

[guilherme fiorin]

the world cup not enrich the population of the district, only owners of construction companies. Moreover, people in the Humaita neighborhood need more treated sewage, schools and hospitals than roads and flyovers to solve problems that would not have without the arena do gremio there. honestly, the legacy idea exists only as marketing to justify investment of public money in events such as World Cup and Olympics.

the only real advantage is that with better access, the region would become a little more attractive to future investors. but public spending in the region to suit her needs a world cup would be incomparably larger and more complex than current


and from what we've seen so far in terms of work, I doubt that the government could do these works on time, at least with the required quality

 

[KingmanIII]

Then we need to change the slogan "people' club" to us. What's problem about poverty? It isn't a disease that must be hidden how it not exists.

Government must to find ways to develop and make better people lives in regions like that.

I ever told it and I will continuing repeat: Our government is absolutelly incompetent because doesn't know use the opportunities. Londres and Barcelona used great events to make investiments on regions that needs investiments.

The world cup will pass by here and the only Porto Alegre's legacy will be 5km from two or three streets reformulated in consolidated regions. Basically, Porto Alegre only make the same and the investments continuing in the rich regions.

It's a big "sub-develompent" thought.

Exactly.

It's ironic how the Colorados portray themselves as advocates of social justice, yet deride Gremio for building their stadium near a poor neighborhood.

(by the way: property values in the Humaita have increased by 30% since the Arena was built)

 

[Sangnaris]

the world cup not enrich the population of the district, only owners of construction companies. Moreover, people in the Humaita neighborhood need more treated sewage, schools and hospitals than roads and flyovers to solve problems that would not have without the arena do gremio there. honestly, the legacy idea exists only as marketing to justify investment of public money in events such as World Cup and Olympics.

the only real advantage is that with better access, the region would become a little more attractive to future investors. but public spending in the region to suit her needs a world cup would be incomparably larger and more complex than current


and from what we've seen so far in terms of work, I doubt that the government could do these works on time, at least with the required quality

Exactly, possibly the works would be only streets renovation and acessibility, maybe some seawer infraestructure. But it's something at least.

We ever back to the same essential point, time exists, they have 7 years to think, but our governments...

 

[Sparcow]

what nonsense "off topic" !!hno:hno:
could question these bizarre numbers posted, but this is not a thread about the number of fans . could also talk about the gremio absence of championship wins in the last 13 years (or before 1981), about the superiority of inter classics or the difference in the turnover of the clubs ... but this is facebook? .
my Intent was not to create a stadiums war in this thread, so click in this link and the know why arena do gremio never had a chance to host the Cup or any other event of this size




http://www.skyscrapercity.com/member.php?u=1081304&vmid=440556#vmessage440556
^^^^^^^^

YOU bring a whole post of shit when aomebody just posted something about the Arena, start to talk about Beira-Rio comparisons in the Arena do Grêmio thread and now YOU talk about nonsense off-topic?

 

[In The End]

Grêmio X Atlético Nacional

Do Ducker
:applause::applause::applause:

facebook do Grêmio

 

[AcesHigh]

I will add this photo

 

[AcesHigh]

State Championship match

 

[KingmanIII]

^^ Wow, it almost looks like a different stadium with adequate grass!

 

[AcesHigh]

grass in excellent condition

 

[AcesHigh]

credits: Bill Knoop