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Lot of negative vibes ladies and gents throughout many of the threads, probably because its so easy to be critical.

So let's have constructive suggestions for positive and worthwhile contributions to the city fabric - for example, there was some discussion that bridging over the M8 in front of the Mitchell Library could only be a positive thing for the city.

Anything else? And lets for sanity sake, assume that white render has been banned in this new nirvana, so no-one else need mention it!

Think positive!

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Big gestures like that are of course interesting and valid and would no doubt make a difference, however to my mind its the small things that are potentially more important in raising the quality of a city. What Glasgow needs is to have a proper functional heart and that means sorting out George Square. It also needs the quality of public realm on Buchanan Street extended everywhere. Someone wiser than me once said you can judge the level of a civilisation by the state of its pavements.
 

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Thanks Momus.

Architecture is almost as subjective as modern art and informed deabate and disagreement is more useful to broader understanding than lemming like mass approval or mass disapproval.

What is not helpful is postings almost outdoing each other in pouring scorn on quite reasonable and comfortable additions to the city's urban form. (One post showing a figure vomiting over a building was quite a setback for a forum hoping to attract serious contributers to the city's built environment on to it.)

AND FOR THOSE WHO COME OUT WITH "SUCH A DISAPPOINTMENT, A WASTED OPPORTUNITY......." IT IS A VERY DIFFICULT ACCLOMPISHMENT TO GET ANYTHING ACTUALLY OFF THE GROUND AND BUILT.

Site assembly, the planning process, dealing with neighbours, finding the financial support, runaway consruction costs, archaeoligical digs, bickering design teams, fluctuating valuations, lack of skilled labour etc etc etc.

And then have to sell the flats or let the offices or shops.

(I'm a developer)

So to your point Momus.

Taking into account the effect on the immediate street sourroundings and the impact in terms of making the city centre a more pleasant place to live in or do business in I would suggest:

1. Raddison Hotel. Three years on and I still go out of my way to have a coffee there or just to pass by.

2. Sheriff Court. What a spledid "addition" (obviously it has been there rather a long time but it almost seems like new) to the Merchant City. I enjoy walking through it and once the shops are all let it will quite a delight.

Sorry I have no pics but you will all know both these so well.
 

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1. For me it would be a shopping Centre in the city centre but instead of shops it would have Cinemas, Bars, Restraints and clubs. Basically a “night life centre”. Doubt it will ever happen but I can dream lol.

2. Subway network expanded all over the city and to Glasgow Intl airport.

3. Areas around Ibrox, Celtic Park and Hampden done up.

4. The river being used far more by boats, both private and commercial.

5. A tour bus similar to the one in London that goes on both land and on the river.
 

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Probably a pipe dream (and discussed to death a million times before) but I would love to see:

  • A proper cluster of skycrapers in the centre of the CBD
  • an expansion of the underground out to the east of the city (maybe utilising underground and overground parts like London)
 

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(One post showing a figure vomiting over a building was quite a setback for a forum hoping to attract serious contributers to the city's built environment on to it.)
Lol Murdomac that was me with the political figure vomitting. :puke:

You knew it was me and what my sense of humour on here is like, it wasent to bring anyone down on their work but a gesture to bring in as much debate as posible to the forum, but as you say it was a bit under the belt and i should be more careful of my criticism gestures in future, PMSL btw.

Are or were you apart of this development team that i vomitted over... if i offended anyone i do so very much appologise. :)
 

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I would like to see more positive and prompt action on some of the proposals kicking about with regards to Glasgow's transport infrastructure being improved / refurbished - this i believe would encourage and lead to further developement of the city. It is also badly needed.

(1) Refurbish the Subway Stations, have line extensions with more Subway Stations and better rolling stock. Re open Glasgow's considerable network of unused Victorian Railway Tunnels and Stations to expand the network.

(2) Dunoon / Argyllshire - Water bus link to Glasgow. Great idea - the Clyde getting used again for transportation into / out of the city.

(3) Tram and low level access fastlink routes into key areas of the city to encourage less car usage.

(4) Direct rail link from Glasgow City Centre to Glasgow Airport (in addition to the proposed via Paisley route).

Apart from the transport wish list i would like to see more Public Realm improvements to the same standard of the Cathedral Precinct, Fountain at the Peoples Palace and Buchanan Street.

Anyone noticed that Glasgow is getting it's own new Pavement Cafe Culture as a by product of the smoking ban.

I would be all for encouraging a bit more Pavement Cafe Culture in the city by designing space for canopies and obtaining footpath consent at the outset with some of the buildings which are put up with speculative shop units / hot food units under.
 

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M Riaz,

With all the secret plans you post from the depths of the City Council I was beginning to think you were the Director of the Department of Regeneration Services himself none other than Mr Steve Inch!

But I know now that that is not the case.

He posts under another pseudonym!

Seriously M Riaz you are one of the stars of this forum along with gleegieboy. Aland is a bit like Gazza.....at times brilliant.....but....

Momus I thought you meant good recent additions rather than additions of the future.

If it is wishful thinking what about a Barrowland Ballroom that pulsates with musical energy and talent seven days a week with the likes of David Bowie (who he say the younger ones) appearing again along with the cream of new performers. Perhaps Stefan King and Gazza could get together to make it a reality.
 

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A lot of what has been mentioned has been mentioned previously. And very positive contributions they would make I am sure.

I concur that George Square is a lost opportunity. Why not pedestrianise - at the very least - the portion immediately in front of the City Chambers? It would surely not be beyond someones capability to design it in such a way so that access can be maintained for the VIP's to the front door with some carefully designed hard landscaping while other traffic could be diverted along to Montrose Street. Next logical step would the pedestrianisation of the street in front of G1 and Lomond House, not forgetting the total overhaul of red square itself.

So many other cities seem to successfully manage such feats.

Additionally, what would be wrong with having more trees lining our streets? Glasgow might be a dear green place, but its all the worse for the lack of decent soft landscaping except for sporadic pockets in the city centre, ie, Blythswood Square.
 

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I was just passing by, but I had to stick in my 2 pence the now - a fantastic thread Momus - it's what we need just now.

Chaos, you are bang on - George Square has long needed a true over haul - I thought we were on to a winner with the competition a year back, but sadly it came to nothing. It's important that we get the square sorted - IMO coming out of Queen Street onto the square is a bit of a "lukewarm" experience: it's nice, but it's not great. I like the pavement quote, btw :)



I think the subway should be expanded east and west, but it just costs too much just now - a pipe dream for when the city has loads o' dosh to throw about :). The stations should definitely be refurbished though, they haven't aged too well...

I like the idea of the river being used for more boats - a city centre marina would be fantastic, especially around CHQ - would add a real touch of class.... pity all the bridges are too low to allow anything with a mast through...

The Radisson hotel is just superb. I was in it not that long ago, and it just oozes class. Love it. If more of Argyle street could be involved in this architectural revolution, then it would be of great benefit to the area. Cadogan Square will certainly help, IMO. (I have a lot of time for your posts here murdomac - I would be the first to admit that I get carried away at times, mostly because nothing really is at stake. Your first post here is a good way to ground those of us who have come to expect too much recently :) Btw does David Bowie still tour? I would pay almost anything to see him live just once...)

Socceroo, you are quite right with the pavement cafe culture - a fantastic by-product of a glorious ban :)


M_Riaz - I don't think it was you murdo was meaning... I think Socrates made a photoshopped picture of a drunk throwing up over the new addition to Glasgow Cross, but I may be wrong. I would agree that you and Gleegie are definitely the stars of this forum, without you two this place wouldn't be half what it is now :)


A Cluster of skyscrapers is a real dream for me, but my thoughts on this subject are well documented on here - I shan't bore you all any further (again)...



I really think that one of the biggest additions this city needs are developments to really bring life to the river front. And by that I don't just mean new residential stuff, or a bridge etc, I mean small coffee shacks, kiosks, public art, plenty of places to sit, board walks, newspaper stands, restaurants and the like. Stuff to really make the river a destination, one of the best parts of the city to be in. Residential is fine, but we need MORE :)
 

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Pedestrianise the whole thing and open up the frontage to Queen Street station at the same time as taking a brutal view towards the rest of the buildings that suround it. If it has no value knock the fucker down and replace it with something of suitable merit and height to the key public space in the city. Cafes and bars with extensive covered and heated external drinking and smoking spaces to the entire perimeter. Shut down the Gallery of Modern Art and remodel it as something sensible and suited to the building like a Library and build a new proper modern art gallery on the square liberating some of the artworks stranded in the god forsake outskirts of Edinburgh to fill it. Landscape the square properly, shoot the pigeons and ban buses from anywhere close.
 

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Better lighting would be good.

The city has come on leaps and bounds with the lighting of many buildings and it is also quite startling the difference the white SON lamps have had as they replace the yellow lamps steet by street.

However, there are so many Victorian masterpieces in the city which could do with a wee bit of the same quality lighting treatment as the City Chambers and the Mitchell Library.
 

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Let's put a glass pyramid in the middle of the square, bury MOMA in a huge cavernous space beneath it (as you suggest relocating it) - and then get someone to write an international bestseller which starts off there but in this case doesn't end up on the outskirts of Edinburgh!

Well, it worked for Paris.

Or, on the otherhand, perhaps we should be giving Glasgow Sculpture Studios and some second hand book sellers stalls along the rivers edge that give people a specific reason to visit the waters edge. (Relocate the Barras ?)

That worked in Paris too.
 

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Perhaps the unpedestrianized area of suchiehall could be greatly improved. At the moment Suchiehall has one of the largest concentrations of pubs and clubs in the city. However, if you walk along there all you get is a distinct smell of piss and puke while dodging the broken pavements and dirty doorways.

-The four lanes of traffic could be reduced to 2 the whole way along (similar to the portion outside Maclellan Galleries).
-A well designed paving scheme would mean the pubs and clubs could utilize the extra pavement space, creating that cafe culture.
-Trees could be planted creating a grand boulevard.
-A new lighting scheme could compliment these improvements.

Since Glasgow continually publicises its pub and club scene, I feel these improvements would greatly enhance this market and could help rake in even more revenue (one for Stefan King then) by making Suchiehall a much more impressive place to be.
 

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That would certainly improve the setting of CC's swanky meeting room.

And all the better for bird watching (because of all the trees obviously!)

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Good call actually. Markets, thats what we need. Proper markets and not just the tat and illegal Barras stuff. Books markets, antiques markets, farmers markets, flower markets. The kind of malarky that seems to be making an appearance in St Enoch's square located somewhere a bit more specific. Other European cities can support this sort of thing, no reason why we cant. Tourists love it, it brings a bit of life to the streets and it gives specialist traders a chance.

Add to that proper 24 hour licences, stricter planning control of kebab shops and tanning salons, instant ASBOs for inappropriate use of sportswear, a ban on hard house, hardcore and anything else that goes boom boom boom boom boom out of Citroen Saxo windows, immediate relegation for the OF (to the junior leagues if possible) and the summary execution of Billy Connolly if he ever sets foot in the country.
 

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Well, we already seem to have loads more Poles....including those ones on Duke St and Alexandria Parade....
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Oh and before I forget...

"Markets along the River Clyde" © Momus 2006

Just in case anyone from the Cooncil is listening in.
 
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