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Did not know this was even being thought about

Underground rail in pipeline for 2017

NSW is planning an expanded, underground metropolitan rail system, but don't hold your breath - construction can't begin until at least 2017.

Premier Morris Iemma said the government was still investigating a new rail system for Sydney, but his first priority was improving the existing rail network.

"Will Sydney at some point in the future require a metro system? Yes," Mr Iemma said.

"The planning and the feasibility has continued since the election on the shape of a metro system, what that might look like (and) potential routes."

Underground metro lines, similar to those in London and Paris, would slash travel times with express trains utilising new technologies and stopping at fewer stations.

But Mr Iemma said construction could only commence after the current program, including untangling existing lines, increasing rolling stock and finishing the north-west to south-west expansion, was complete.

And that's not expected until "around 2017".

"I'm not about talking (the metro) up (because) there are a lot of issues to be worked through ... most importantly finance," he said.

In March, a group of independent transport experts released a $50 billion Sydney Integrated Transport Strategy, which included a proposal for a metropolitan underground rail system linking the CBD to Castle Hill, Balmain, Randwick and the northern beaches.

At the time, the government said it was not overly enthusiastic about the plan because it was CBD-centric and too costly.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/National...peline-for-2017/2007/06/25/1182623813298.html
 

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I am little confused or pehaps the writer of this article was
how does this link to the new habour cross or the castle hill extenstions from epping ?
 

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There was something about this on these forums a few months ago.

I said something like "hopefully work can start in the next decade".

How right I was. :D
 

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A metro in Sydney is definitely a possibility but only a possibility...

There's been rumours flying around about this for a couple of months. Nothing concrete really.

I reckon they should first wait until Sydney has further densified into a more sustainable 'metro-density'. Currently the majority of Sydney's new homes are being built within the current urban area and these new apartments/townhouses are being centred in growth corridors, specifically around transit hubs and in a large swath of land stretching south from the CBD to Sydney Airport. They should concentrate new dwellings into possible future metro line alignments. They should also introduce a feeder bus system which would service the low density (but hopefullly with some medium density developments) in the area around the few streets around the metro station. Also, future 'urban village centres' should be concentrated around metro stations - perhaps the metro station centred in the middle of a plaza with medium or high density commercial, retail and residential developments with pedestrian lanes and streets surrounding the 'urban village' hub.

Of course, major remodelling of streets and public spaces would be needed as well as a major shift in the shared mindset and some vision on the behalf of our wondrously crap government who are always searching for a quick buck. Some nice new interesting architecture should be encouraged in the centres around the metro stations and hopefully the knock-on effect would see forward-thinking developments - no Meritonesque McMeriton 'apartment' boxes sprouting all over Sydney like the massive warts and pimples they are!!!

Sorry about the rant - hope you can decipher some meaning from it!
 

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Why cant me just put a few trams underground. A whol new system seems like alot.

Agree about planning for the future metro aligments. But we already have the heavy rail. With fast trains and people should be living close to the stations. With development focused around each of the major interchanges. Which is already happening.
 

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Why cant me just put a few trams underground. A whol new system seems like alot.

Agree about planning for the future metro aligments. But we already have the heavy rail. With fast trains and people should be living close to the stations. With development focused around each of the major interchanges. Which is already happening.
It's all to do with how long it takes to get to & from work, how many times you have to interchange, and how much time that eats up.

With fast trains and people should be living close to the stations. With development focused around each of the major interchanges. Which is already happening.
Sure, all the fast people are living close to the stations already. But those that aren't complain ...
 

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Clealry the journalist doesn't know what a 'metro' is (and Iemma probably doesn't either, for that matter).

I'm not sure where they pulled this idea of express trains with fewer stations from.
 

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Underground metro lines, similar to those in London and Paris, would slash travel times with express trains utilising new technologies and stopping at fewer stations.
Metro is completely opposite to that. It stops all the stations, has a slower speed but higher frequency.
 

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Most likely thinking of the New York style subway? with four tracks, running express-local.

dont forget that in the prior article on this, they said a metro to the city from liverpool, taking 30minutes...
 

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I think they got confused with the fact that they would have fast acceleration and top speed due to being lighter, and lower dwell time, making the trips faster rather than being express to do that. The media and the Premier may not know what they are talking about, but from the documents (such as that few teasing pages in the urban transport statement, and the Christie report) it's clear that they are planning a proper metro.

While they should plan the routes and start densification around them in a limited way, I think that the way it ultimately should go is the build it and they will come philosophy. Build the metro along Victoria road, for example, and watch it become a high density corridor over the next 30 years.

As much as I have strongly criticised the state Labor government in the past, among other things for not adopting the Christie report they commissioned, it seems increasingly that they are lifting project from it after all. There was an article in SMH today or yesterday criticising Iemma for not having done anything since being re-elected, but it made reference to a speech he made to some gathering of public servants telling them not to expect the short term reactionary decision making of the past, but more long term decisions. I was not at all optimistic when Iemma was re-elected, but maybe it won't be so bad? Or maybe statements like that are just an excuse for rumours that he is indecisive.....
 

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2017. They ought to be kidding. :bash:

It's never too early to start planning and building. We should be building for the future, and not when we desparately needing it.
 

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^ i would say all of them are needed now. i've always thought the upgraded taylors square looked like it needs entrances to an underground station, it just has that london feel. looking at that line, it's my favorite and wish it existed now!
 

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Fantastic Map LanceDriver. Taylor Square, Randwick Junction and Balmain almost seem ready made for a Metro station.
 

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I think the River Line was the one rumoured to be started first? I think that's the most important and should be started asap. Buses along that route are already running at capacity alot of the time, so patronage is almost guaranteed on completion. Then once that's done, I think the Parramatta Metro line should be started straight after. If they're planning on this satellite city scheme, they should increase transport into Sydney's second CBD, and link the much forgotten far south west areas.
 

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I would have loved the river line.
Living at Top Ryde and then Balmain there are no options. Hence why you should not live there if you expect train services. A Metro in sydney would be good but its never goign happen. the NYC system is great with the interexpress train lines. Huge problem that London does not have anything like that. And only one major train line running though the city center. All the over land train lines are located on the circle line with only thames link going norht south and nothing going east west for heavy rail ! Crazy they are only stating that now here. Sydney. A metro. Perhaps when I retire and cant drive it will be of use to me and the timing will be just right 25+ years.
 
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