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Neither Sheffield clubs get promoted.
Channel 4, no to Sheffield, yes to Leeds
AdamBlade at last reveals the “game changer”
Not a single new office development for the city centre announced
Slow down in new student accommodation builds
Chinese money was all a scam
HS2 eastern arm is mothballed to save money
Caslegate continues to rot, not a plan in sight

I am trying to be positive, I really am, but f*ck me this is Sheffield, its hard.:lol:
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Sadly I think you could be right on all of them, though I imagine the 'gamechanger' will be something like a six story shoebox for students.
You forgot to give gloomy predictions for the Sheffield-Rotherham-Parkgate tram/train link and the Sheffield-Manchester transpennine link.
Plus how many shops will open in the new Retail Quarter?
More of a wish list than realistic predictions:

- Two further leading international manufacturers announce plans to joint Boeing at the AMRC and create high tech factories creating 2,000 direct jobs and 5,000 supply chain jobs.

- 12 large advanced supply chain businesses announce plans to relocate from South to AMRC.

- City confirms plans of extension of Supertram from city to AMRC and link from AMRC to Meadowhall.

- City confirms plans of extension of Supertram to Broomhill, Hunters Bar and Brammal Lane.

- Government announces fully funded upgrade of Hope Valley rail link with aim of 28 minute Sheffield to Manchester trains by 2023.

- Channel 4 confirms relocation to Sheffield.

- Scarborough Group purchases bus station, confirms plans to relocate buses and develop station into mixed use retail and office space - including Channel 4 building and voluminous office space for anticipated surge of digital industry growth in Sheffield and relocation of businesses from London.

- Government announces plan of mass relocation of civil services from London. Sheffield to be one of 4 key regional hubs - 6,000 jobs anticipated to be moved to Sheffield.

- Developers announce plans to build three 30+ towers in Sheffield as part of NRQ and heart of city redevelopment.

- John Lewis announces plans to relocate to new city centre flagshire store by 2022.

- Various retail brands commit to NRQ, including House of Fraser flagship store

- Government confirms £500m funding for major upgrade of Sheffield Midland station ahead of HS2 construction.

- Government announces acceleration of HS2 construction and work to start on Leeds - Sheffield aspects in conjunction with London - Birmingham part.
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^^ you forgot the relocation of the Moon from it's celestial orbit to the end of a stick at the top of Fargate! :)
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Neither Sheffield clubs get promoted.
Channel 4, no to Sheffield, yes to Leeds
AdamBlade at last reveals the “game changer”
Not a single new office development for the city centre announced
Slow down in new student accommodation builds
Chinese money was all a scam
HS2 eastern arm is mothballed to save money
Caslegate continues to rot, not a plan in sight

I am trying to be positive, I really am, but f*ck me this is Sheffield, its hard.:lol:
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unfortunately my prediction for 2018 is another General election which causes another slow down and uncertainty in the economy. Most likely stalling many large projects that have not been started.
However it will mean that the projects underway will be finished to a good standard and put into use giving parts of the city centre a boost.
unfortunately my prediction for 2018 is another General election which causes another slow down and uncertainty in the economy. Most likely stalling many large projects that have not been started.
However it will mean that the projects underway will be finished to a good standard and put into use giving parts of the city centre a boost.
It would be nice to have another General Election if it means getting rid of these clowns, but if it doesn't...
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Glad everyone is so optimistic then! ;)
How anyone can not be somewhat optimistic in this city after the year we've had, and the way the city is moving forward. We're taking great strides at last - a long way to go, no doubt, but the city is eventually getting things right.

The level of development in the pipeline is also unheard of in Sheffield, particularly as schemes aren't so pie in the sky as previously seen.
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I agree with Adam; it's easy to look at the gap to Leeds and Manchester, the lack of an entire plan for the NRQ, other disappointments, but actually, if you really think about what has happened in Sheffield the last year (and before that) instead of what hasn't, you really start to appreciate the positive momentum it's starting to feel.

The last year has seen, in earnest;

-NRQ Phase 1 Office Block construction
-New Era Square construction - a +20 storey tower with retail
Completion of the new Cinema block, a top-quality Primark and numerous other retailers/restaurants
-As many new apartments under construction and revealed plans certainly since 2008, possibly in my 14 years in the city.

I think a lot has been discussed about Castlegate and its demise. I think what people overlook in the last few years is for example, what has happened in the CIQ and Kelham Island. 2003 I came to Sheffield and, oh my word! I can tell you know that the Fat Cat/Kelham Island Tavern, they felt as distant and isolated as say the Gardeners Rest still feels today. New apartments and cafes/markets keep slowly creeping from Hallam Uni down towards Decathlon. That will keep moving.

I did some Christmas Shopping today and wandering around the top & bottom of The Moor, Debenhams, John Lewis, and Orchard Square, I actually felt a sense of shopping in a big city for once, in a way that Sheffield never usually managed to make you feel back in the 00s.

And whilst lots of this has been coming over the years, I have to say 2017 is definitely a year Sheffield really seemed to finally get some of those things it always seemed to be missing, both in a literally and atmospheric sense.
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I think much of the outlook for 2018 probably depends on the macro outlook more than anything else. There's a lot of uncertainty from Brexit to the possible consumer credit crisis. That said, any impact of these aren't likely to have an affect on anything due to start in 2018, just any new proposals.

Off the top of my head I think we will see;
- More proposal for Kelham Island, stretching to Neepsend.
- Full plans for the Ski Village
- More plans for Castlegate and West Bar, but nothing solid.
- Further student developments around St. Vincents/Netherthorpe
- NRQ phase 2 plans, but scaled back and including leisure
- Work to start on Furnival Square and Flat Street student towers
- Phase 2 of NES to be announced
- Further ad-hoc student developments in the CIQ and towards the bottom of the Moor/Fitzwilliam Street.
- New tenants on the Moor (Next, New Look and a few other new names), plus work to start on the corner building (McDonald's).
- New development of the block between Pinstone and Union Street announced.
- More big names announced for AMRC

Negatives
- Further cut backs on rail and infrastructure projects
- Channel 4 doesn't happen
- No large scale apartment developments for the non-student market
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For me 2017 marked the end of the decline and the serious start of the upward trajectory. Yes there is lots to do but the various things we have discussed on here over the year really demonstrate this, particularly including Phase 2 of the Moor, HSBC building, general consolidation of businesses into the heart of the city (including new business occupiers including Jet2 and Jaywing (following in the footsteps of Sky Bet) who have chosen to be part of the future of the city), growth of leisure and general building momentum of a retail revival.

I hope and think 2018 will continue this trend with Phase 3 of the Moor, high street stores joining the ranks and relocating to the Moor from Fargate, new higher end stores attracted to Fargate, confirmation of plans for John Lewis either involving a refurb or new store as part of a wider redevelopment and as a result a strategy confirmed for either a holistic heart of the city 2 development or incremental development/redevelopment of the area. This will hopefully include early remodelling of the buildings facing Pinstone Street (starting with the building directly adjacent to the HSBC building) to create a cohesive and attractive link between Fargate and the Moor and harden the overall centre as a destination and maybe Leah's Yard as a distinct food and drink destination. All this set to a backdrop of significant resi redevelopment harding the City Centre and surrounding area as an attractive place to be. Not to mention the progress of the digital campus and AMRC, and the opening of Ikea.

A new City Centre symbol of the current industrial skills and achievements within the region would be a nice touch and something really positive to draw attention towards.

Looking forward to further progress for this great city in 2018.
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Demolition starts at the top of the moor.
Springtime dig at castlegate.
New store opening on the moor.
Further construction investment announced.
Outside completion of grosvenor house but still working inside for the 2019 opening.
A new signing to one of the retail units.
Standing on the hill behind the railway station you get a beautiful vista to look out to. I am sure that first time visitors to the city or those passing through on the train must get an impression of a booming city centre with all the tower cranes that are up.
However appearances can be deceiving and in Sheffield’s case they are very deceiving. Correct me if I am wrong, but are any of those cranes currently up in Sheffield, including the city centre (and there’s a lot of them) going to create any long term meaningful jobs for the people of Sheffield and the wider region?, no.
If a bank / insurance company wanted to re locate say 1500 jobs to one of the regions then Sheffield would be at the bottom of the list, we simply don’t have any office blocks available in the centre to accommodate them, this cant be right.
For a city and wider region with a population of over 1.8 million we no longer have a business district, and that just about says everything, that is wrong about Sheffield city centre.
Heart of the City is a handful of office blocks (they look nice if a little stumpy) that due to their floor plans are not suitable to attract large occupiers, the very thing that Sheffield needs. And yet half the floors in these developments are just gathering dust. I believe the council will have to bail out St. Paul’s in a couple of months?
The Moor looks 100 times better than it did 10 years ago but hasn’t attracted any new stores of note. The Light complex looks fantastic and the public realm around the moor and opposite HSBC will add to the area.
NRQ has been a shambolic embarrassment for the last 20 odd years, but a last we are seeing buildings going up, although just a fraction of what was originally planned. The fact that the Council have removed “retail” from its name shows that they have come to realise that there is no appetite for even middle of the road shops to move in to the city centre.
Fargate is struggling and someone on here says he hopes that more shops in that location move to the Moor and high end shops open up on Fargate, well we can dream but lets be realistic here, its not going to happen.
Castlegate is an utter embarrassment to the city, yet still no dig and no plans for the area.
West Bar Square, well I hope to be proved wrong but something tells me revised plans for a smaller scheme of residential and student flats will be the order of the day in this location.
You can build as many resi / student towers in the city centre all you want, but the reality is, that they are just papering over the cracks.
If Sheffield wants a city centre of note and not just a large suburb masquerading as a city centre then its priority should be attracting large scale companies and their employment to the centre. Large scale workers in the city centre will bring high end stores, will bring electrification of the Midland Main Line, will bring 5 star hotels to the city, will bring high speed trains and roads to Manchester, and the list goes on. Continuing the way Sheffield has been going over the years will bring nothing of note to the city. Businesses have all but given up on Sheffield city centre and now the Government is following suit.
I can but hope that in 2018 this record investment in Sheffield city centre that is talked about is going to address the underlying problem that the city centre has, not just another rehash of student developments that have gone before.
No doubt things are looking rosier outside the city centre with the likes of AMP, but without a booming city centre, not only Sheffield but the wider region suffers. The priority above all in 2018 must be to address this.

A Merry xmas and happy new year to u all.:cheers:
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Anyone got any more positivity or glimpses of light to counteract the Debbie downers?
My ideas - new flexible exhibition centre on castlegate site, including Wilkos block to enliven the area and bring regional visitors in, remove the ugly coloured bridge on castlegate and narrow and green Waingate (grey to green style). Demolish 60s buildings around George street and create higher end retail/eating area around curzon/nspcc building, create new residential / arts district next to river behind the wicker near aiselwood mill, new family housing/townhouses around the bottom of sylvester street and finally more extreme, shut arundel gate, reknit city centre across it and redirect traffic along brown street...all very realistic I know
Anyone got any more positivity or glimpses of light to counteract the Debbie downers?
Debenhams cleans its windows.
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Standing on the hill behind the railway station you get a beautiful vista to look out to. I am sure that first time visitors to the city or those passing through on the train must get an impression of a booming city centre with all the tower cranes that are up.
However appearances can be deceiving and in Sheffield’s case they are very deceiving. Correct me if I am wrong, but are any of those cranes currently up in Sheffield, including the city centre (and there’s a lot of them) going to create any long term meaningful jobs for the people of Sheffield and the wider region?, no.
If a bank / insurance company wanted to re locate say 1500 jobs to one of the regions then Sheffield would be at the bottom of the list, we simply don’t have any office blocks available in the centre to accommodate them, this cant be right.
For a city and wider region with a population of over 1.8 million we no longer have a business district, and that just about says everything, that is wrong about Sheffield city centre.
Heart of the City is a handful of office blocks (they look nice if a little stumpy) that due to their floor plans are not suitable to attract large occupiers, the very thing that Sheffield needs. And yet half the floors in these developments are just gathering dust. I believe the council will have to bail out St. Paul’s in a couple of months?
The Moor looks 100 times better than it did 10 years ago but hasn’t attracted any new stores of note. The Light complex looks fantastic and the public realm around the moor and opposite HSBC will add to the area.
NRQ has been a shambolic embarrassment for the last 20 odd years, but a last we are seeing buildings going up, although just a fraction of what was originally planned. The fact that the Council have removed “retail” from its name shows that they have come to realise that there is no appetite for even middle of the road shops to move in to the city centre.
Fargate is struggling and someone on here says he hopes that more shops in that location move to the Moor and high end shops open up on Fargate, well we can dream but lets be realistic here, its not going to happen.
Castlegate is an utter embarrassment to the city, yet still no dig and no plans for the area.
West Bar Square, well I hope to be proved wrong but something tells me revised plans for a smaller scheme of residential and student flats will be the order of the day in this location.
You can build as many resi / student towers in the city centre all you want, but the reality is, that they are just papering over the cracks.
If Sheffield wants a city centre of note and not just a large suburb masquerading as a city centre then its priority should be attracting large scale companies and their employment to the centre. Large scale workers in the city centre will bring high end stores, will bring electrification of the Midland Main Line, will bring 5 star hotels to the city, will bring high speed trains and roads to Manchester, and the list goes on. Continuing the way Sheffield has been going over the years will bring nothing of note to the city. Businesses have all but given up on Sheffield city centre and now the Government is following suit.
I can but hope that in 2018 this record investment in Sheffield city centre that is talked about is going to address the underlying problem that the city centre has, not just another rehash of student developments that have gone before.
No doubt things are looking rosier outside the city centre with the likes of AMP, but without a booming city centre, not only Sheffield but the wider region suffers. The priority above all in 2018 must be to address this.

A Merry xmas and happy new year to u all.:cheers:
You talk about these things as though it’s a lever you pull and then offices appear.

They build what’s required, not the other way around.

If you’re so negative about the lack of businesses in Sheffiield, then tell us about your business and how you’re growing it? If not, then you are clearly part of the problem you repetitively bang on about.
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I'd rather have fewer office blocks in Sheffield than loads of half-empty blocks. A lively, well-used city looks way better than a ghost town.

Also, the nature of work is quickly changing. Fewer and fewer people are working in traditional office spaces every year. More people are working from home or working in co-working spaces. Also, we lack the larger employers that Manchester and Leeds have, and so we don't really have the need for traditional offices. What we do have, however, is a load of freelancers, independent craftspeople, artists, etc, none of which need traditional offices. This is both a good and bad thing, of course. It's bad because we have a lower GVA per capita than Manchester and Leeds. It's good because it creates a collaborative, independent, and artistic culture in Sheffield which makes it a more pleasant place to be than many other big cities. I know that this sounds like I'm going back on what I said in my recent article about this, but GVA isn't everything. I think I actually like Sheffield because it isn't like Manchester or Leeds. I worry about SCC being really poor and the implications that has for council services and projects, but the culture of Sheffield is way nicer.
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