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Progressive policies allow Singapore to surpass Hong Kong
PUBLISHED : Sunday, 20 April, 2014, 5:33am
UPDATED : Sunday, 20 April, 2014, 6:03am


Singapore has surpassed Hong Kong to the extent that it now has the luxury of trading off competitiveness to promote equality. Photo: Bloomberg

Our competitiveness and our quality of life have been surpassed by those of the Lion City.

The Singaporean government, since Lee Kuan Yew's time, has implemented populist, but practical, policies. Intervention and control were vital to ensure the People's Action Party retained power, by first providing livelihood imperatives to the masses, ensuring stability and prosperity. Singapore's redistributive measures include affordable home ownership, where property is sold at a price minus its land cost; affordable and good education and health-care systems; and an excellent Central Provident Fund (CPF) retirement scheme.

We adopt an obtuse, non-interventionist policy, as doing more is termed "welfarism" and dependence.

Big business and tycoons uphold free markets and low taxes, making their fortunes by rent seeking. The crony-capitalism index in The Economist magazine recently rated Hong Kong as number one in crony capitalism.

China's state-controlled capitalism has done better, transforming its middle class into a consumer society. Our competitiveness is due largely to low and stagnant wages, long working hours and an artificially undervalued Hong Kong dollar, which reduces wage earners' purchasing power and savings. Another factor is the lack of taxation; even Singapore and China have a goods and services tax and value added tax respectively.

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Not all democracies flourish, especially in Asia; just take a look around.

Why HK government can't focus like Singapore government to develop their city?

The reason is simple, US is busy to disturb HK politics as a Cold War against the communist in the mainland. If I read news about HK, mostly are just about political struggle against Beijing for the interest of US.

The same case with Taiwan too.

Do HKer and Taiwanese feel smart of doing it? Do HKer and Taiwanese feel political secure and safe by doing it?

Now, you see the real face of being stupid, being toyed by foreign country for their own interest. The so-called "ugly" mainland and "dictator" Singapore are actually doing better. Their people are happier and proud.

Not all democracies flourish, especially in Asia; just take a look around.
It's time for HK and Taiwan to reorganize, take control over the chaos and bring order to the future!
 

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I would take Taiwan and Hong Kong over Singapore any day. I call Singapore boringland, or Fascist Hong Kong.

Also stop with this Taiwan and HK are full of Chaos nonsense, it is more stable than China. Its just that the sensationalist Taiwanese media makes a huge deal out of everything, and the State-owned Chinese media downplays any chaos. China also has to rely on the worlds largest censorship operation to maintain BASIC social order. Imagine if any book, magazine, website, religious text etc. Were allowed in China. There would be absolute chaos! But wait, Taiwan and HK don't have any of this censorship and they still maintain a higher degree of social order than China does. How many people died in the student protests in Taiwan? None! More people die in Chengguan madness in a week in Mainland China than in the largest protests in Taiwan. Singapore on the other hand, is as harmonious as anywhere on earth, but the sheer boringness of the place isn't worth it, I'd prefer to live in Thailand.

Also this isn't news but an opinion piece.
 

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I would take Taiwan and Hong Kong over Singapore any day. I call Singapore boringland, or Fascist Hong Kong.

Also stop with this Taiwan and HK are full of Chaos nonsense, it is more stable than China. Its just that the sensationalist Taiwanese media makes a huge deal out of everything, and the State-owned Chinese media downplays any chaos. China also has to rely on the worlds largest censorship operation to maintain BASIC social order. Imagine if any book, magazine, website, religious text etc. Were allowed in China. There would be absolute chaos! But wait, Taiwan and HK don't have any of this censorship and they still maintain a higher degree of social order than China does. How many people died in the student protests in Taiwan? None! More people die in Chengguan madness in a week in Mainland China than in the largest protests in Taiwan. Singapore on the other hand, is as harmonious as anywhere on earth, but the sheer boringness of the place isn't worth it, I'd prefer to live in Thailand.

Also this isn't news but an opinion piece.
u mean there were hundreds of thousands of Chinese citizens killed by mad Chengguan weekly? What an idiot with a stupid Chinese name. tell me your address if you are in Shanghai. I'm gonna report u to the police. :lol::lol:
 

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How are you gonna report me to the police? What did I do wrong? I'm not in Shanghai now, I am in Taiyuan on a long assignment. Oh yea and my Chinese name is better than yours. 高潮的高,比賽的賽,打飛機的飛。

I'm not saying that there are hundreds of thousands of people killed by Chungguan, I am saying that every once in a while in China there are violent riots that have to do with Chengguan, whether it is their fault or not I don't know. Maybe you get like one or two deaths. Not from the Chungguan but from the ensuing chaos. All of these riots are downplayed by the media, so as to maintain a face of superficial harmony. In Taiwan, the media makes a huge deal out of the smallest thing, and the Chinese media is happy to report on any unrest there.

The Chinese have a deep fear of "unrest" and are willing to make great sacrifices to maintain the superficial harmony that is common across the country. Chinese people are afraid of any kind of large scale protest, and they should be because there is a 100% chance of it turning violent. So harmony my ass.

Taiwan is SO harmonious that they can storm the Parliament with nobody dying, hell not even America could pull that off!

So lets do a comparison.

America: Protest outside gvt building=Nothing, Protest but get a little crazy= Tear gas, Storm the Capitol=Shot to death
China: Protest outside gvt building=beaten up, never seen again, family harassed for years to come. Protest but get a little crazy=Shot to death, Storm the great hall of the people=shot to death for thinking about doing it.
Taiwan: Protest outsde government building=Nothing, Protest but get a little crazy=nothing, Storm parliment=tear gas, getting yelled at.

TAIWAN WINS!

Back to Singapore, no gum, no porn, homosexuality illegal, beer costs 20 dollars, draconian punishments for little things, long work hours etc.
 

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Fighting with Chengguan, dirty food, pee and poo on the public, etc... Yeah, I understand your meaning. The communist cultured country, where rural people is an ideal people, that all civilized people in the city should be send to the rural area for reeducation. The amateur Mao Zedong stupidity!


But I don't talk about the culture of the people. But the working culture of the government. The unity and focus to run the country and get the job done.

Taiwan-HK government and public are distracted by the foreign country infiltrator, to promote foreign Cold War for their own interest. They are not unity, because a lot of fighting and useless debate over foreigner's ideology idealistic. At the end, they are not focus to make a development plan and get the job done.

I don't mind if mainland government are arresting people to keep the government united and focus on the job to serve the people and run the country.

Everyone know, if mainland fall into a Thailand current condition of democracy, it will lead into a stagnation and a setback. Taiwan-HK is actually the mild version of Thailand. They don't realize it, but still thinking they are doing the smart thing. Fooled by foreigner controlled media, what a bunch of idiot!
 

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Communism is also a foreign ideology.

But that aside, I don't blame the CCP, Taiwanese and HKers like to blame the CCP, the CCP is just a reflection of the country and culture it represents. It is government by Chinese for Chinese, it is the government that the Chinese people deserve. So I also don't care about human rights, internet censorship, freedom of speech etc. The Chinese would rather have stability over rights, I get that. And thats what they should get. So every time something happens with the Chengguan, Im rooting for the Chengguan.

All I care about is preserving the freedoms and rights of Hong Kong and Taiwan, from the Chinese. I don't care about China, I have given up on this place a long time ago.
 

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Taiwanese, HKers and Overseas Chinese blame CCP for the responsibility to turn Chinese people from high cultured to became a kind of today.

The so-called freedoms and human rights in HK and Taiwan are relative. They just being idealistic like the amateur Mao Zedong. At the same time traumatic of the crazy communism in the mainland.

But it's good for the mainland to keep Taiwan as democracy. I call it as competitor and example. The existence of Taiwan will make mainland to do better because of ideological competitor. At the same time, the chaotic Taiwan democracy as a warning for mainlanders, not to became a foreign ideological slave anymore.
 

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The Taiwanese and HKers are wrong to blame the CCP for the loss of "culture" (and by that I mean 文明). When I was in Taiwan, my teachers in the university said that Chinese people used to line up, not be pushy, not be loud, not spit etc. etc. and then the Communist party came around and ruined everything. That is complete BS, there was never a Utopia of manners 禮儀之邦. Luckily a few Taiwanese people later told me that Taiwan was like Mainland today back in the 70's.

My argument is not that China should adopt any of the freedoms that Taiwan has. If they did it would be a disaster. All I say is that they should get out of Taiwan and HKs hair and let them develop separately as if they were two countries. China and its ideology and system of government has nothing to offer Taiwan or HK, and would turn out to be just as disastrous as if the Taiwanese system were implemented in China.

Taiwan is the way it is, not because of some Democratic magic fairy dust sprinkled by America. Taiwan is also not an Ideological slave to America, they have 5 branches of gvt. We have 3. Taiwan is a small easy to control island nation, and China is the most populated country on earth. It also helps that many educated people and businessmen left China for Taiwan, while China killed off what was left during the cultural revolution. But thats what happened, and in the words of Chinese people, it was Chosen by history.
 

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The Taiwanese and HKers are wrong to blame the CCP for the loss of "culture" (and by that I mean 文明). When I was in Taiwan, my teachers in the university said that Chinese people used to line up, not be pushy, not be loud, not spit etc. etc. and then the Communist party came around and ruined everything. That is complete BS, there was never a Utopia of manners 禮儀之邦. Luckily a few Taiwanese people later told me that Taiwan was like Mainland today back in the 70's.

My argument is not that China should adopt any of the freedoms that Taiwan has. If they did it would be a disaster. All I say is that they should get out of Taiwan and HKs hair and let them develop separately as if they were two countries. China and its ideology and system of government has nothing to offer Taiwan or HK, and would turn out to be just as disastrous as if the Taiwanese system were implemented in China.

Taiwan is the way it is, not because of some Democratic magic fairy dust sprinkled by America. Taiwan is also not an Ideological slave to America, they have 5 branches of gvt. We have 3. Taiwan is a small easy to control island nation, and China is the most populated country on earth. It also helps that many educated people and businessmen left China for Taiwan, while China killed off what was left during the cultural revolution. But thats what happened, and in the words of Chinese people, it was Chosen by history.
Even if Chinese people a kind of backward decades ago because of the era, but not as worse as mainlanders of today. There were still a very strong traditional Chinese culture that hold the society together, even after the chaos of revolution and Japanese invasion. To be honest, my grandparents and great grandparents were more strict on ethics, rules in family, than more relaxed and free of modern Chinese parent of today. Many of us agree and believe that our grandparents are better than us.

While mainland Chinese. Because of the anti Chinese cultural movement, they don't have a strong traditional Chinese culture that hold the society together. It's a total lawless barbarism. And added with extreme poverty, pushed the dark side of human to extreme.


To be honest, there will be no reunification between Mainland China and Taiwan. Because the non-mailand Chinese hate so much about Communism, and extremely traumatic. I repeat, HATE SO MUCH and EXTREMELY TRAUMATIC.

It's funny, some mainland Chinese feel insulted if I say it. Don't we agree that communism proven to fail? Mainland Chinese don't want to return to Mao's communist era and non-mainland Chinese hate it too. We have the same common, so why feel insulted? It's the China that holding us together.


Taiwan supposed to be have unique style of democracy, but they seem to be lost and started to run common democracy that dominated in the mainstream media that mostly from US narrative news, and from US controlled political activists too.
 

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Let the folks in HK and Taipei stand on their soap boxes and thump their chests thinking that they are so superior with their semi-functional democratic societies. In reality, Beijing and Shanghai already have "economically-speaking" surpassed them, and every other Asian city for that matter. :cheers:

Beijing, Shanghai lead Asian cities in economic influence: survey

2014-05-23 08:02 | Xinhua

Beijing and Shanghai are among the world's five most economically influential cities, surpassing any other Asian cities including Singapore and Tokyo, a report revealed Thursday.

Among the 30 major cities measured, Beijing ranks second in "economic power", with a tiny margin to the No.1, London, while Shanghai follows New York and Paris to rank the fifth, according to the report released by PriceWaterhouseCoopers.


The report said Beijing's high ranking was due to its strong performance in GDP growth, attraction to multinational companies and foreign direct investment as well as high employment rate in financial services.

The report also ranked these cities according to other indicators such as intellectual capital, technology readiness, environmental sustainability, cultural vitality and quality of life.

The Chinese capital also ranked second in terms of its openness as a global hub, thanks to the number of hotel rooms, passenger flows, airport-to-downtown convenience and number of international meetings.

Beijing scores poorly in environment protection, quality of life and living cost. It is the most expensive city to live in among the listed 30 cities, according to the report.

http://en.ce.cn/Business/Macro-economic/201405/23/t20140523_2861837.shtml
 

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Let us see the comment section of the article:

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The true reason for the alleged higher quality of Singapore is its political independence and them being fully in charge and responsible for the outcome and result of their decisions. This independence leaves them with no one to blame, except themselves! Here in Hong Kong we have government officials who are controlled and influenced by Beijing and an increasing interference of Beijing into internal affairs, resulting into a "blaming others" and "finding excuses" culture.
If Singapore wants to stay stable and relatively peaceful, their Government has to make sure that the citizens feel the benefits and increasing livelihood. The Singaporean government in doing the same what the Mainland Government is doing: creating the hard impression of increasing wealth to its citizens, while the HK Government is just a China Muppets Show.
So, HK people are thinking like this??? What idiots! Blaming others and finding excuses are a very very very common thing in multi-party democracy.

Please HKers, learn from our stupid modern history! From the our amateur Mao Zedong, Christian worshiper Sun Yat Sen, etc. Don't be foreign worshiper again and blindly copy-cat everything about foreign ideology, without knowing what it is first. Just like the ignorant comment above.
 

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Blaming others and finding excuses is the foundation of Chinese civilization. Have you ever been to China?
How is that so???

Blaming others and finding excuses are very common in democracy country, as political party do it all the time. What happen in HK is the case like that. They choose to have multi-party system in the first place, that is what happening naturally.

And the British dictatorship look like a political paradise, so peaceful and focus.
 

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Perfecting The Method of “Color Revolutions”
By Thierry Meyssan
Global Research, August 07, 2012
Information Clearing House 7 August 2012​

In 1985, a social scientist, Gene Sharp, published a study commissioned by NATO on Making Europe Unconquerable. He pointed out that ultimately a government only exists because people agree to obey it. The USSR could never control Western Europe if people refused to obey Communist governments.

A few years later, in 1989, Sharp was tasked by the CIA with conducting the practical application of his theoretical research in China. The United States wanted to topple Deng Xiaoping in favor of Zhao Ziyang. The intention was to stage a coup with a veneer of legitimacy by organizing street protests, in much the same way as the CIA had given a popular facade to the overthrow of Mohammed Mossadegh by hiring Tehran demonstrators (Operation Ajax, 1953). The difference here is that Gene Sharp had to rely on a mix of pro-Zhao and pro-US youth to make the coup look like a revolution. But Deng had Sharp arrested in Tiananmen Square and expelled from the country. The coup failed, but not before the CIA spurred the youth groups into a vain attack to discredit Deng through the crackdown that followed. The failure of the operation was attributed to the difficulties of mobilizing young activists in the desired direction.

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The principle is simple: exacerbate all underlying frustrations, blame the political apparatus for all the problems, manipulate the youth according to the Freudian “patricidal” scenario, organize a coup, and then propagandize that the government was brought down by the “street.”

International public opinion easily swallowed these stage settings: first, because of a confusion between a crowd and the people. Thus, the “Lotus Revolution” actually boiled down to a show on Tahrir Square in Cairo, mobilizing a crowd of tens of thousands, while the near totality of the Egyptian people abstained from taking part in the event; and second, because there is a lack of clarity with regard to the word “revolution”. A genuine revolution entails an upheaval in social structures that takes place over several years, while a “color revolution” is a regime change that occurs within weeks. The other term for a forced change of leadership without social transformation is a “coup d’état”. In Egypt, for example, it is clearly not the people who pushed Hosni Mubarak to resign, but U.S. Ambassador Frank Wisner who gave him the order.

The slogan of the “color revolutions” harks back to an infantile perspective; What matters is to overthrow the head of state without consideration of the consequences–“Don’t worry about your future, Washington will take care of everything for you.” By the time people wake up, it’s too late; the government has been usurped by individuals not of their choosing. At the outset though, there are cries of “Down with Shevardnadze!” Or “Ben Ali, get out!” The latest version was launched at the third conference of “Friends” of Syria (Paris, July 6): “Bashar must go!”

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Don't you see the similarity with the case in HK? :)

Get out Beijing! All the HK problem is because of Beijing.

I think HK people confuse to tell the different between the crowd and the real people. HK people have been trolled! :eek:hno:
 

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Not similar to HK.

While I do believe these revolutions don't work, and China does not need one. HK is different than Syria, Egypt etc.

Bashir is the best thing that happened to Syria, Mubarak is the best thing that ever happened to Egypt. Dare I say Saddam was the best thing that happened to Iraq. That is because those dictators are the best the country and culture can do. Anything else is chaos, until an equally strong and oppressive dictator comes to power. Same goes for China. Sure the oppressive dictatorships aren't ideal but its the best the people can do. As the cultures are too old and set in their ways to develop freedom and democracy on their own. Hong Kong is different, they were ceded to China against their will. Sure they didn't have democracy, and the British werent perfect, but they had RULE OF LAW, and freedom of thought/speech. China has none of that and wants none of that.

How bad is it being part of China? The Hong Kongers would rather have foreigners of a different culture, and language govern them, than people of their own culture and language. Why? Because even though the British treated them like crap until the 70's it sure was better than the way the Chinese treated the Chinese. And when the time came to go back to the "motherland", they went back kicking and screaming. And Vancouver suddenly became a lot more Chinese.

So what do Chinese people do? Do they reflect on why HKers don't like Chinese rule, and try to make things better so that HKers are more friendly to Chinese rule? Hell no, they try to have put Chinese style Patriotic education in their schools so they can have the same OFFICIAL opinion that the Chinese government wants them to have. 2047 is not gonna happen. China won't be able to handle it.
 

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I would take Taiwan and Hong Kong over Singapore any day. I call Singapore boringland, or Fascist Hong Kong.

Also stop with this Taiwan and HK are full of Chaos nonsense, it is more stable than China. Its just that the sensationalist Taiwanese media makes a huge deal out of everything, and the State-owned Chinese media downplays any chaos. China also has to rely on the worlds largest censorship operation to maintain BASIC social order. Imagine if any book, magazine, website, religious text etc. Were allowed in China. There would be absolute chaos! But wait, Taiwan and HK don't have any of this censorship and they still maintain a higher degree of social order than China does. How many people died in the student protests in Taiwan? None! More people die in Chengguan madness in a week in Mainland China than in the largest protests in Taiwan. Singapore on the other hand, is as harmonious as anywhere on earth, but the sheer boringness of the place isn't worth it, I'd prefer to live in Thailand.

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You are just the typical western imperialist with an intention to destabilize Singapore and China because they are doing better and better than the so-called western world.

Singapore is not boring at all. You can always go to the casinos for some excitement. Of course you prefer Taiwan or Thailand, because those are the places that the west has successfully destabilized, and therefore they are now stagnant.

The westerners are now using whatever methods they can, including bashing and discrediting, to interfere with the progress of China and Singapore. Fortunately, they are smart enough to expose the western world's bigotry and ulterior motives.
 

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I'm not saying that there are hundreds of thousands of people killed by Chungguan, I am saying that every once in a while in China there are violent riots that have to do with Chengguan, whether it is their fault or not I don't know. Maybe you get like one or two deaths. Not from the Chungguan but from the ensuing chaos. All of these riots are downplayed by the media, so as to maintain a face of superficial harmony. In Taiwan, the media makes a huge deal out of the smallest thing, and the Chinese media is happy to report on any unrest there.
^^You got to know about all those violent riots thanks to your 千里眼 and 顺风耳 rather than the all day around censored Chinese media? 人才啊~
 
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