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LNP Government puts $5b seal on plan to revolutionise inner city public transport
17th Nov 2013



IT'S the $5 billion tunnel poised to revolutionise public transport travel in inner Brisbane.

The Newman Government will on Sunday unveil plans to begin building the 5.4km joint bus and train tunnel linking Dutton Park to Bowen Hills by 2015.

The so-called Brisbane Underground will include a station at Woolloongabba for sports fans and another along George St to service the new entertainment and casino precinct, as well as the university.

A third station will be built alongside busy Roma Street Station.

The alternative tunnel route into the city will alleviate train congestion on the Merivale Bridge, which is near *capacity during peak periods, and reduce the number of buses that regularly back up along Victoria Bridge.

Premier Campbell Newman told The Sunday Mail that the dire need for *another public transport route into the city had suffered because of too much talk and not enough action.

"There's been too much conversation in the past,'' he said. "But we are a government that promised to deliver better planning and infrastructure and that is what we are doing,'' he said.

"We've taken two of Brisbane's major congestion challenges - the Merivale train bridge and the Cultural Centre bus precinct - and come up with an affordable and elegant solution.''

The $5 billion price tag is $3 billion cheaper than the combined cost of Labor's much-hyped Cross River Rail project and the council's *Suburbs to City bus link.

Savings have been partly achieved by taking an inner-city route where the ground is more solid and conducive to tunnelling as well as dumping plans for a Dutton Park *station, which required 108 resumptions, including 60 properties that have already been bought.

The Government will commit to completing the tunnel by 2021 regardless of whether the Brisbane City Council or private sector contributes.

With the Government *determined to avoid a credit rating downgrade under its watch, the cost could spark *debate about asset sales.

The Woolloongabba station is on the existing GoPrint site, which has long been the *subject of sale speculation.

The 15m wide tunnel, which includes dual train lines on the bottom section and two bus lanes on top, will require larger boring machines to those used on either Clem 7 and Airport Link.

Transport Minister Scott Emerson said the State Government and council had come together to develop a "once-in-a-generation" public transport solution for Brisbane.

"This city has had two groups of engineers working on two solutions for two major issues,'' he said.

Fast Facts about the impact of Brisbane Underground:

• 80 per cent increase in Gold Coast trains

• 14 minute reduction in travel time by train between Beenleigh and the CBD

• Four minute reduction in bus travel time from Bracken Ridge, Aspley, Lutwyche and Chermside to the CBD

• Double capacity of trains coming from the south and east of the city

• 180 per cent increase in inner city busway capacity

• 200 buses taken off inner city streets

• 100 buses of Captain Cook Bridge in morning peak period.
 

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Well il start, its going to serve its purpose whilst not the gold plated version of the original..

The addition of the bus tunnel, i really didn't see that coming even though some had proposed it, the map above is indicative of the train tunnel but i don't see any purpose in the bus tunnel extending past Roma Street Station as its then going to be a duplication of the Inner Northern Busway. I guess all will be revealed today anyway..


At the end of the day, the critical issue is to provide an extra rail crossing
 

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There really needs to be inquiries into the waste of a perfectly good plan (Bligh Gov plan) especially if properties were already beginning to be resumed.
*We dont have money for this or that or that, but we'll build this plan despite any funding from council.* What a **** and balls!

Lucky this plan is better than nothing, best hope they plan for more cross city/river links east-west.
 

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This looks great and would seem to go a long way to resolving the Cultural Centre Station congestion issue. Very clever to combine bus and rail.
It appears to join the Exhibition Loop so it would be great if there was an upgraded Ekka Station that could serve the Showground Hill/ Royal Brisbane Hospital precinct as well.
 

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This looks great and would seem to go a long way to resolving the Cultural Centre Station congestion issue. Very clever to combine bus and rail.
It appears to join the Exhibition Loop so it would be great if there was an upgraded Ekka Station that could serve the Showground Hill/ Royal Brisbane Hospital precinct as well.
I wonder why they wouldn't use the existing Exhibition Loop from Roma St onwards rather than continuing the tunnel? Surely that would help from a cost perspective?
 

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#Project: Brisbane Underground (Dutton Park-Bowen Hills)

There really needs to be inquiries into the waste of a perfectly good plan (Bligh Gov plan) especially if properties were already beginning to be resumed.
*We dont have money for this or that or that, but we'll build this plan despite any funding from council.* What a **** and balls!

Lucky this plan is better than nothing, best hope they plan for more cross city/river links east-west.
Really?

Because that perfectly good plan cost $3 billion more :/

Resumed properties can be sold back into the market, might even make a little money doing so.
 

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No it didn't. The perfectly good plan cost about $500million less. And it included a Boggo Road Station (IMO necessary) and an RNA station.

The $8Billion price tag from what I understand was the initial estimate of CRR + the suburbs to city bus link.



Also, can this really be built for $5Billion?
 

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Remember, Newman also rejected the funding her asked for on CRR, and is now willing to go alone on this.

100% political.

Don't get me wrong, I'll take it, but we shouldn't see it for what it isn't.

Also lol Newman saying it's been all talk and no action on CRR.
 

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No it didn't. The perfectly good plan cost about $500million less. And it included a Boggo Road Station (IMO necessary) and an RNA station.

The $8Billion price tag from what I understand was the initial estimate of CRR + the suburbs to city bus link.



Also, can this really be built for $5Billion?
It says the initial Anna Bligh proposal was costed a $8billion

http://m.couriermail.com.au/lifesty...underground-rail/story-e6frequ6-1225951887968

It's only been in the last 2 years tat the proposed bus tunnel has come in at $2billon
 

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Remember, Newman also rejected the funding her asked for on CRR, and is now willing to go alone on this.

100% political.

Don't get me wrong, I'll take it, but we shouldn't see it for what it isn't.

Also lol Newman saying it's been all talk and no action on CRR.
Remember that money was also at the expense of the GST share and from a party who wasn't elected.
 

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What is the point of duplicating the busway from Roma St to Bowen Hills, unless it is following the current train line to Bowen Hills/Sandgate Rd?
 

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I wonder why they wouldn't use the existing Exhibition Loop from Roma St onwards rather than continuing the tunnel? Surely that would help from a cost perspective?
They are joining the Loop as it appears from the map in the article but further on, probably due to the grade needed to surface from the tunnel.
 

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What is the point of duplicating the busway from Roma St to Bowen Hills, unless it is following the current train line to Bowen Hills/Sandgate Rd?
Who knows maybe the overall alignment might allow for express routes from south of the river to Bowen Hills? Perhaps economy of scale when your building the tunnel it just allows for more connections and future proofing.
 

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What is the point of duplicating the busway from Roma St to Bowen Hills, unless it is following the current train line to Bowen Hills/Sandgate Rd?
That busway services Normanby, QUT, Royal Childrens and Royal Brisbane which this one would appear not to.
I imagine it will join the Northern busway providing an express service from Bowen Bridge Rd straight to Roma St and the City.
This makes Roma St more of an interchange hub as well.
 

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hmmm until I see the actual plans I'm on the fence with this one.

The duplication of the inner northern busway seems over the top.
 

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I think the concept is great, 2 problems solved with one solution.

We'll have to wait to see more details, but I imagine at some point the rail and bus components of the tunnel split to merge into the existing networks.
 
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