I have to admit that I'm not a huge fan of the black roof.
PROJECT: Melbourne Convention Centre
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/04/18/1082226636118.html
New convention centre, bridge for city's west
By Royce Millar
City Reporter
April 19, 2004
A new footbridge over the Yarra linking Southbank and Docklands will be part of a $330 million convention precinct the State Government is expected to announce in its April statement tomorrow.
The precinct's centrepiece will be a 5000-seat convention centre, or plenary hall, earmarked for the former Mazda site next to the Exhibition Centre, widely known as Jeff's Shed.
Business groups have lobbied for years for a new convention venue, arguing that Melbourne's existing 1500-seat centre is hopelessly outdated.
The State Government has been tight-lipped about details of the April statement and has refused to confirm whether the convention centre project would be included.
Government sources said they expected the project to be a public-private partnership, with a private group building the centre and leasing it to the government.
The managers of the existing exhibition centre - a government-appointed trust - are likely to run the new centre.
But the project will hinge on support from the Melbourne City Council, which will be under intense pressure tomorrow to contribute $43 million, including about $15 million for the bridge.
Yesterday's Government announcement that it would return control of Docklands to the council was clearly timed to encourage the council to support the convention centre.
Yesterday a town hall source said the council had demanded it get Docklands back in return for a contribution to the convention centre.
A private town hall briefing today will be the first formal council discussion on the project. A special council meeting to vote on the contribution has been hastily called for tomorrow to coincide with the April statement.
Lord Mayor John So strongly supports the new centre. He will have the numbers to approve a council contribution.
But the council is split, with as many as four of the nine councillors possibly opposed to council involvement.
Finance committee chairman and former Labor Party member Kevin Chamberlin said yesterday the council administration had confirmed that a large contribution would result in service cuts, a rate rise, or both.
If the convention centre was to be a public-private partnership the council should not contribute, he said.
The Committee for Melbourne called on the council to back the project.
"People come to these conventions with millions of disposable dollars and this has a remarkable knock-on effect for business in the city," executive director Janine Kirk said.
State MPs and councillors have questioned whether Melbourne needs a new centre, when existing venues such as the Docklands football stadium can seat 5000.
But the chief executive of the existing Melbourne Exhibition and Convention Centre, Leigh Harry, said that to compete for international conventions, Melbourne needed a centre with a large plenary hall, a large exhibition space, and plenty of smaller meeting rooms.
He said no existing Melbourne venue provided all three.
Mr Harry said among world cities Melbourne had slipped from fourth to 25th in the number of international conventions hosted.
He said that Melbourne's lack of convention capacity made it ineligible for 320 major international conventions.
New convention centre, bridge for city's west
By Royce Millar
City Reporter
April 19, 2004
A new footbridge over the Yarra linking Southbank and Docklands will be part of a $330 million convention precinct the State Government is expected to announce in its April statement tomorrow.
The precinct's centrepiece will be a 5000-seat convention centre, or plenary hall, earmarked for the former Mazda site next to the Exhibition Centre, widely known as Jeff's Shed.
Business groups have lobbied for years for a new convention venue, arguing that Melbourne's existing 1500-seat centre is hopelessly outdated.
The State Government has been tight-lipped about details of the April statement and has refused to confirm whether the convention centre project would be included.
Government sources said they expected the project to be a public-private partnership, with a private group building the centre and leasing it to the government.
The managers of the existing exhibition centre - a government-appointed trust - are likely to run the new centre.
But the project will hinge on support from the Melbourne City Council, which will be under intense pressure tomorrow to contribute $43 million, including about $15 million for the bridge.
Yesterday's Government announcement that it would return control of Docklands to the council was clearly timed to encourage the council to support the convention centre.
Yesterday a town hall source said the council had demanded it get Docklands back in return for a contribution to the convention centre.
A private town hall briefing today will be the first formal council discussion on the project. A special council meeting to vote on the contribution has been hastily called for tomorrow to coincide with the April statement.
Lord Mayor John So strongly supports the new centre. He will have the numbers to approve a council contribution.
But the council is split, with as many as four of the nine councillors possibly opposed to council involvement.
Finance committee chairman and former Labor Party member Kevin Chamberlin said yesterday the council administration had confirmed that a large contribution would result in service cuts, a rate rise, or both.
If the convention centre was to be a public-private partnership the council should not contribute, he said.
The Committee for Melbourne called on the council to back the project.
"People come to these conventions with millions of disposable dollars and this has a remarkable knock-on effect for business in the city," executive director Janine Kirk said.
State MPs and councillors have questioned whether Melbourne needs a new centre, when existing venues such as the Docklands football stadium can seat 5000.
But the chief executive of the existing Melbourne Exhibition and Convention Centre, Leigh Harry, said that to compete for international conventions, Melbourne needed a centre with a large plenary hall, a large exhibition space, and plenty of smaller meeting rooms.
He said no existing Melbourne venue provided all three.
Mr Harry said among world cities Melbourne had slipped from fourth to 25th in the number of international conventions hosted.
He said that Melbourne's lack of convention capacity made it ineligible for 320 major international conventions.
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A bridge that may be too far to fund
By Rachel Kleinman
April 17, 2006
http://www.theage.com.au/news/natio...too-far-to-fund/2006/04/16/1145126008839.html
Multimillion-dollar funding for the state's new convention centre could be jeopardised by Melbourne City councillors.
Major projects committee chairman Peter Clarke said that $15 million pledged by council for a footbridge should be withheld until the State Government proved it was necessary.
Work is due to start on the $370 million, 5000-seat centre next to the Melbourne Exhibition Centre on May 1.
In 2004, a majority of the previous council voted to contribute $43 million for the bridge, marketing costs and landscaping around it.
The State Government announced two months ago that a Plenary Group consortium headed by builder Multiplex would build a $1 billion complex on the site. Plans for the joint public-private partnership included the convention centre, a hotel, offices, shops, 3100 parking spaces and 40 apartments.
Councillors received a briefing on the project last week.
But Cr Clarke, a staunch Liberal Party member, was not happy with the plans.
"There was no research or data about why we needed the bridge … about how many people they expected to move across the bridge," he said.
"So I am going to be arguing that unless they provide some justification that we don't build it, we don't spend the $15 million. The last thing Melbourne needs is another bridge across the Yarra at that location."
Cr Clarke said he was also concerned about pedestrian access through the site and its integration with public transport for international visitors who would stay at hotels in other parts of the CBD.
"The community should be worried about delivery of this project from Government. I am very concerned at this point and will argue that council should withhold its funding until it gets more answers on these issues," he said.
Major Projects Minister John Lenders' spokeswoman Manika Naidoo said the Government would not respond to internal council debates.
Cr Clarke's fellow councillors Catherine Ng and Fraser Brindley have expressed concern about parts of the development.
A special council planning meeting on Thursday will consider a planning scheme amendment for the site.
By Rachel Kleinman
April 17, 2006
http://www.theage.com.au/news/natio...too-far-to-fund/2006/04/16/1145126008839.html
Multimillion-dollar funding for the state's new convention centre could be jeopardised by Melbourne City councillors.
Major projects committee chairman Peter Clarke said that $15 million pledged by council for a footbridge should be withheld until the State Government proved it was necessary.
Work is due to start on the $370 million, 5000-seat centre next to the Melbourne Exhibition Centre on May 1.
In 2004, a majority of the previous council voted to contribute $43 million for the bridge, marketing costs and landscaping around it.
The State Government announced two months ago that a Plenary Group consortium headed by builder Multiplex would build a $1 billion complex on the site. Plans for the joint public-private partnership included the convention centre, a hotel, offices, shops, 3100 parking spaces and 40 apartments.
Councillors received a briefing on the project last week.
But Cr Clarke, a staunch Liberal Party member, was not happy with the plans.
"There was no research or data about why we needed the bridge … about how many people they expected to move across the bridge," he said.
"So I am going to be arguing that unless they provide some justification that we don't build it, we don't spend the $15 million. The last thing Melbourne needs is another bridge across the Yarra at that location."
Cr Clarke said he was also concerned about pedestrian access through the site and its integration with public transport for international visitors who would stay at hotels in other parts of the CBD.
"The community should be worried about delivery of this project from Government. I am very concerned at this point and will argue that council should withhold its funding until it gets more answers on these issues," he said.
Major Projects Minister John Lenders' spokeswoman Manika Naidoo said the Government would not respond to internal council debates.
Cr Clarke's fellow councillors Catherine Ng and Fraser Brindley have expressed concern about parts of the development.
A special council planning meeting on Thursday will consider a planning scheme amendment for the site.
Great! It's started already..................
The bridge is one of the best (of not THE best) part of the overall scheme, in terms of design anyway.
Get ready for the whole thing to be diluted over the next 3 years until only a big black shed is actually constructed by 2009. Using the council's logic, there is hardly a need for 80% of this proposed development (ie. a hotel, shops, apartments - none of which are hardly requisite at the moment)
Ahhh, I can see it already.....Spencer Street Station all over again!
The bridge is one of the best (of not THE best) part of the overall scheme, in terms of design anyway.
Get ready for the whole thing to be diluted over the next 3 years until only a big black shed is actually constructed by 2009. Using the council's logic, there is hardly a need for 80% of this proposed development (ie. a hotel, shops, apartments - none of which are hardly requisite at the moment)
Ahhh, I can see it already.....Spencer Street Station all over again!
Why Melbourne need an Opera House ?Garmatt said:Sydney is not a one trick pony! Any Melburnian who thinks it is is seriously kidding themselves!
It has a rich and interesting urban fabric that includes everything from stunning beaches to quirky Victorian inner-city neighbourhoods to a Manhatten-style CBD! It also has a stunning natural harbour and with all these things is probably the one city in the country that DOESN'T need an architectural icon. And still it has THREE! Harbour Bridge, OH and Sydney Tower all lend themselves to become what is now one of the most instantly recognisable and internationally famous skylines in the world.
And it's gunning for another one at the peninsula of the EDH development. And blow me away if they don't get a big name architect to come in, take a risk, spend a shit load of money and score another international winner.
I sure most of the forumers from interstate came into this thread left rubbing their hands together because Melbourne's getting just another "shed with glass walls". No competition there then!
So, in my opinion, Melbourne DOES need an Opera House - pretty bloody quickly.
Anyway, I'm not going to win any arguements in here so I'll leave it at that. Sydney's recent architecture has not been all that....so it's now Melbourne's time to shine. If it doesn't want to take advantage of that and is satisfied with mediocrity, then so be it.
It is Danish design to start with ...
We have the Art Centre that I visit regularly and has beautiful interior.
How many regular sydneysiders visit into inside of Opera House ?
It is good to look at ? But we need something more practical than just a parade ... ?
Melbourne has various of iconic buildings and some of them just only good to look at but the residents embrace and 'use' it on regular basis.
Its inclusive design makes different.. not a symbol of an exclusivity ...
So dont tell us what do we need mate....
I'm not telling you what you need - Mate.
I'm a former Melburnian who loves the place as much as the next Melbourne forumer and only wants the best for it....but I'm not so one-eyed as believe all this crap that Melbourne folk love to spout about Sydney ONLY have the harbour and nothing else.
Oh - and I'm also limiting my posts to when and where I feel really compelled to comment.
Sorry....but every thread has been updated today with some one or two line opinion of yours.....really annoying for those who have a slow download time to have to trawl through.
Apart from that...welcome to the forum!
I'm a former Melburnian who loves the place as much as the next Melbourne forumer and only wants the best for it....but I'm not so one-eyed as believe all this crap that Melbourne folk love to spout about Sydney ONLY have the harbour and nothing else.
Oh - and I'm also limiting my posts to when and where I feel really compelled to comment.
Sorry....but every thread has been updated today with some one or two line opinion of yours.....really annoying for those who have a slow download time to have to trawl through.
Apart from that...welcome to the forum!
It's true BUT. (Oh, and Blabby is also limiting his posts to when and where he feels really compelled to comment.)Garmatt said:I'm a former Melburnian who loves the place as much as the next Melbourne forumer and only wants the best for it....but I'm not so one-eyed as believe all this crap that Melbourne folk love to spout about Sydney ONLY have the harbour and nothing else.
Garmatt, don't forget you were a virgin forumer once too...don't you remember your first time?
Yeah....sorry Alibaba (and your 40 thieves!) - I was just in a bad mood yesterday - there was no excuse for that post........
You must admit though.....it's been a pretty slow news week in ol' Melbourne town this week.
You must admit though.....it's been a pretty slow news week in ol' Melbourne town this week.
Blabbyboy said:It's true BUT. (Oh, and Blabby is also limiting his posts to when and where he feels really compelled to comment.)
Garmatt, don't forget you were a virgin forumer once too...don't you remember your first time?
Thanks Blabby...
I may be new to this OZ skycrapper but this does not limit my opinion at all..
I just perused this VIC site - pretty amazing - some of the comments are rather rude and out of the lines - or topic that thread was intended to...
I think the rivalry between Chicago and Toronto or Toronto and the rest of Canada are the worst... but Melb v Sydney - is as bad as those forumers...
Anyhow I had what I have to say ... and for Garmatt, your comments were just only discredited your self.. not mine....
I move on....
by the way - what are they going to do with the current shed like ALUMBRA etc - anyone know ?
being torn down, it started a few months ago (the demolition)
Garmatt said:Yeah....sorry Alibaba (and your 40 thieves!) - I was just in a bad mood yesterday - there was no excuse for that post........
You must admit though.....it's been a pretty slow news week in ol' Melbourne town this week.
No worries Garmatt... it took me a while to digest sometime
The Vic forum is very informative.. very enjoyable indeed...and I think keep it this way..
I can not wait to get this Conference building complete soon... it may be better looking building than shown in the photos
Melbourne has the biggest,classiest and best "Opera House " at the State Theatre at the Arts centre in Australia by a street!Alibaba said:Why Melbourne need an Opera House ?
It is Danish design to start with ...
We have the Art Centre that I visit regularly and has beautiful interior.
How many regular sydneysiders visit into inside of Opera House ?
It is good to look at ? But we need something more practical than just a parade ... ?
Melbourne has various of iconic buildings and some of them just only good to look at but the residents embrace and 'use' it on regular basis.
Its inclusive design makes different.. not a symbol of an exclusivity ...
So dont tell us what do we need mate....
The Sydney "Opera House " well the interior of the Opera Theatre (sic) is a joke patheticly small and dingy, people on stage have even been known to fall into the pits. lol
I love the bit in the permit where it goes through the details of what's going on; construction of the new convention centre & Maritime Museum, restoration of sheds, new bridge and finishes off with "... and some landscaping." :lol:
yup - a little landscaping and bit of building here and there ... and just some $1 billion later... :righton:Archibomber said:I love the bit in the permit where it goes through the details of what's going on; construction of the new convention centre & Maritime Museum, restoration of sheds, new bridge and finishes off with "... and some landscaping." :lol:
SOUND'S GREAT! A few old railway sleepers for retaining walls, maybe some volcanics rocks (with a bit of moss on them preferable) some gravel and they can throw down some of that tan bark stuff. After a couple of trips up the the Dangenongs they can even pinch a cpl of tree ferns. A 'triclon system might be nice but that's probably a bit too ambitious. :laugh:
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