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http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/04/18/1082226636118.html

New convention centre, bridge for city's west
By Royce Millar
City Reporter
April 19, 2004


A new footbridge over the Yarra linking Southbank and Docklands will be part of a $330 million convention precinct the State Government is expected to announce in its April statement tomorrow.

The precinct's centrepiece will be a 5000-seat convention centre, or plenary hall, earmarked for the former Mazda site next to the Exhibition Centre, widely known as Jeff's Shed.

Business groups have lobbied for years for a new convention venue, arguing that Melbourne's existing 1500-seat centre is hopelessly outdated.

The State Government has been tight-lipped about details of the April statement and has refused to confirm whether the convention centre project would be included.

Government sources said they expected the project to be a public-private partnership, with a private group building the centre and leasing it to the government.

The managers of the existing exhibition centre - a government-appointed trust - are likely to run the new centre.

But the project will hinge on support from the Melbourne City Council, which will be under intense pressure tomorrow to contribute $43 million, including about $15 million for the bridge.

Yesterday's Government announcement that it would return control of Docklands to the council was clearly timed to encourage the council to support the convention centre.

Yesterday a town hall source said the council had demanded it get Docklands back in return for a contribution to the convention centre.

A private town hall briefing today will be the first formal council discussion on the project. A special council meeting to vote on the contribution has been hastily called for tomorrow to coincide with the April statement.

Lord Mayor John So strongly supports the new centre. He will have the numbers to approve a council contribution.

But the council is split, with as many as four of the nine councillors possibly opposed to council involvement.

Finance committee chairman and former Labor Party member Kevin Chamberlin said yesterday the council administration had confirmed that a large contribution would result in service cuts, a rate rise, or both.

If the convention centre was to be a public-private partnership the council should not contribute, he said.

The Committee for Melbourne called on the council to back the project.

"People come to these conventions with millions of disposable dollars and this has a remarkable knock-on effect for business in the city," executive director Janine Kirk said.

State MPs and councillors have questioned whether Melbourne needs a new centre, when existing venues such as the Docklands football stadium can seat 5000.

But the chief executive of the existing Melbourne Exhibition and Convention Centre, Leigh Harry, said that to compete for international conventions, Melbourne needed a centre with a large plenary hall, a large exhibition space, and plenty of smaller meeting rooms.

He said no existing Melbourne venue provided all three.

Mr Harry said among world cities Melbourne had slipped from fourth to 25th in the number of international conventions hosted.

He said that Melbourne's lack of convention capacity made it ineligible for 320 major international conventions.
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http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/04/18/1082226636118.html

New convention centre, bridge for city's west
By Royce Millar
City Reporter
April 19, 2004


A new footbridge over the Yarra linking Southbank and Docklands will be part of a $330 million convention precinct the State Government is expected to announce in its April statement tomorrow.

The precinct's centrepiece will be a 5000-seat convention centre, or plenary hall, earmarked for the former Mazda site next to the...
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I think that design looks alright, something that is needed for sure.

Like tays said! Thanks for the pics/ info grollo!
I think that design looks alright, something that is needed for sure.

Like tays said! Thanks for the pics/ info grollo!
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That design is AWFUL - I hope (again) that it's only a "concept".
That design is AWFUL - I hope (again) that it's only a "concept".
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well presented except that plan and hand/chop job

buts its very contempory and and something more experiemental would be better in other words this building doesnt speak for itself...
well presented except that plan and hand/chop job

buts its very contempory and and something more experiemental would be better in other words this building doesnt speak for itself...
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Cox group are in the habit of recycling ideas - notice the similarity to King Street Wharf in that promenade perspective?





As far as a masterplan goes, it is very straightforward. Nothing really unexpected. I think the extension of the exhibition halls will be very awkward, but there is not much choice.

Personally, I think it should be a very different design to the exhibition centre, and have a very neutral connection so as not to interfere too much with the promenade / concourse of the existing building. I think it should be either very complementary (IE - a DCM design) or totally different, but VERY contrasting (say an ARM)....the masterplan images are not much of either

As a very preliminary masterplan sketch, the main problem I have with this is the rectangular buildings with curved roofs that surround the plenery hall - they box it in and don't give any chance for the hall to have its own object / expression....Of course, it is JUST a masterplan so it has to be neutral and non-committal (and uninspiring!) until the real design is chosen.

@Collector - watch for another Hassell - AGE collaboration soon;)
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Cox group are in the habit of recycling ideas - notice the similarity to King Street Wharf in that promenade perspective?





As far as a masterplan goes, it is very straightforward. Nothing really unexpected. I think the extension of the exhibition halls will be very awkward, but there is not much choice.

Personally, I think it should be a very different...
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Will the new Convention Centre look like the design shown in the schematics?

No. The schematics illustrate a conceptual design for the new Convention Centre. The final design will be the one submitted by the successful tenderer during the forthcoming tender process. The State will require that the design meets aesthetic requirements appropriate to the prominent position of the site.
Will the new Convention Centre look like the design shown in the schematics?

No. The schematics illustrate a conceptual design for the new Convention Centre. The final design will be the one submitted by the successful tenderer during the forthcoming tender process. The State will require that the design meets aesthetic requirements appropriate to the prominent position of the site.
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http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/08/03/1091476487942.html

Convention hall 'must go green'
By Helen Westerman
August 4, 2004



The Property Council is calling for a 50 per cent reduction in energy use. The Victorian Government announced in April it would commit $367 million to build a new "world-class" convention centre and 5000 seat plenary hall into the Melbourne Exhibition Centre.
Picture:Craig Abraham

The Victorian Government needs to "go green" with the design of Melbourne's new convention centre or risk being uncompetitive against international centres, according to peak industry body the Property Council of Australia.

The call to develop the new centre as a green icon has been backed by the Green Building Council and the Energy Sustainability Authority.

But the PCA also warns a "token green effort" could undermine the project's viability, especially if the State Government sacrifices sustainability principles because they cost more.

The Victorian Government announced in April it would commit $367 million to build a new "world-class" convention centre and 5000 seat plenary hall into the Melbourne Exhibition Centre, as part of a redevelopment of Southbank.

Melbourne City Council will commit $43 million. This week it announced infrastructure spending around the centre, including $15 million for a footbridge to link the centre with Docklands.

The Government also wants to see private-sector investment of up to $400 million to develop hotels, restaurants and retail outlets around the site.

With planning in preliminary stages, the Government says the extent to which environmental standards and principals are to be included is still being considered. Expressions of interest will be sought in October.

But PCA executive director Jennifer Cunich says now is the time to ensure that the centre is developed as a "green icon".

"This project is an important one for Melbourne and Victoria to attract major conferences and it shouldn't be sacrificed as it's not going to come up soon again," Ms Cunich says.

The PCA is calling for a 50 per cent reduction in energy use, storm-water recycling, and for the project to plant native gardens to improve indoor air quality, recycle all demolition material and use "approved green building materials".

A yet-to-be-published Property Council paper claims Pittsburgh's David L. Lawrence Convention Centre in the US attracted 35 per cent more conventions in its first year by using "green" as a marketing feature.

However, Ms Cunich believes a competitive advantage could be lost if the Government opts for a development that simply has the lowest dollar value, rather than sustainability principles.

"It's my understanding there've been a number of projects that have had the opportunity to be more leading edge, but it's been weighed up against cost and decided that's not the way to go," she says.

A US survey found ensuring buildings were "green" added 2 per cent to capital costs. However, the argument is that this is recouped in longer-term operating savings and life-cycle costs.

Sustainable Energy Authority business director Megan Wheatley says sustainable innovation in some areas often leads to cost savings in others.

Grocon director and board member of the Green Building Council Daniel Grollo says the new centre offers Melbourne an opportunity to set new international benchmarks.

"To be the most sustainable convention centre in the world is probably not a bad marketing element," he says.

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$10 says this is Grollo's next big project :)
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http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/08/03/1091476487942.html

Convention hall 'must go green'
By Helen Westerman
August 4, 2004



The Property Council is calling for a 50 per cent reduction in energy use. The Victorian Government announced in April it would commit $367 million to build a new "world-class" convention centre and 5000 seat plenary hall into the Melbourne Exhibition Centre.
Picture:Craig...
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I reckon you are right on the money Tays.
Grollo will be looking for some decent size projects with QV, MCG and Eureka past the 1/2 way marks.. But who really cares who gets to build it? lets got on with building the bloody thing.
I reckon you are right on the money Tays.
Grollo will be looking for some decent size projects with QV, MCG and Eureka past the 1/2 way marks.. But who really cares who gets to build it? lets got on with building the bloody thing.
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Depends if Grocon gets the Burj Dubai contract, if they do I think they will be pretty busy for the next four or five years :)
Depends if Grocon gets the Burj Dubai contract, if they do I think they will be pretty busy for the next four or five years :)
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i hope they dont build some ugly stadium looking building. there is an amazing looking glass building in singapore that looks a bit like fly eyes. we really need something that makes a statement something a bit curvie.
i hope they dont build some ugly stadium looking building. there is an amazing looking glass building in singapore that looks a bit like fly eyes. we really need something that makes a statement something a bit curvie.
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This will be a massive project - at around $700-800million im expecting a hotel of around 500-600 rooms in the 4.5 to 5 star range, so a tower similar to Crown Towers in height, and a second smaller tower with serviced apartments. plus the 5000 seat CC + cafes, restaurants and retail outlets as standard.

Cheers

Dean - Melbourne
This will be a massive project - at around $700-800million im expecting a hotel of around 500-600 rooms in the 4.5 to 5 star range, so a tower similar to Crown Towers in height, and a second smaller tower with serviced apartments. plus the 5000 seat CC + cafes, restaurants and retail outlets as standard.

Cheers

Dean - Melbourne
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maybe this could be our chance to get a truely international landmark.
it had better be damn funky!
maybe this could be our chance to get a truely international landmark.
it had better be damn funky!
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...is that a good thing?

the amount of cut corners on the MCG and QV is staggering...

Either way, it will be won by a consortium that Grocon will be a part of, not just on their own. There will most likely be 3-4 consortiums shortlisted. I can almost guarantee the consortiums will be:

Grocon, Baulderstone Hornibrook, Multiplex and maybe Leightons (if they decide to bid, but based on Southern Cross...)

because it is a PPP, the consortium financiers and facility managers are equally as important as the builders to winning

Grocon have not much experience in PPP projects and the Royal Womens Hospital is the first one they have done to my knowledge....

ABN Amro and Macquarie Bank will be among the main players from the banks side
tayser said:
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...is that a good thing?

the amount of cut corners on the MCG and QV is staggering...

Either way, it will be won by a consortium that Grocon will be a part of, not just on their own. There will most likely be 3-4 consortiums shortlisted. I can almost guarantee the consortiums will be:

Grocon, Baulderstone Hornibrook, Multiplex and maybe Leightons (if they decide to bid, but based on Southern Cross...)

because it is a PPP, the consortium financiers and facility managers are equally as...
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Don't think daniel son is all that keen on building anything in Melb, the way he and his new best mate van camp are going, they might as well go and build al arab burj, take their gear and stay there. There is no love b/w daniel son and his employees any more. His father had the most respect of any building boss in Australia, don't think too many grocon blokes would piss on ds or VC if they were on fire now.
Don't think daniel son is all that keen on building anything in Melb, the way he and his new best mate van camp are going, they might as well go and build al arab burj, take their gear and stay there. There is no love b/w daniel son and his employees any more. His father had the most respect of any building boss in Australia, don't think too many grocon blokes would piss on ds or VC if they were on fire now.
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Fountainhead - What have been the cut corners on the MCG?
The changes to [email protected] were from BHP, had nothing to do with Grocon.
I found out I know the architech of the BHP building through my family and he is livid with how it turned out because the cutbacks completely ruined his design
Fountainhead - What have been the cut corners on the MCG?
The changes to [email protected] were from BHP, had nothing to do with Grocon.
I found out I know the architech of the BHP building through my family and he is livid with how it turned out because the cutbacks completely ruined his design
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dont know for that project exaclty but generally finishes and design changes that make the thing easier to build or they just take things out for example a curved feature becomes straight aluminium becomes mild glav steel ect ect feature precast panels become just washed agg ect
pisstake said:
What have been the cut corners on the MCG?
dont know for that project exaclty but generally finishes and design changes that make the thing easier to build or they just take things out for example a curved feature becomes straight aluminium becomes mild glav steel ect ect feature precast panels become just washed agg ect
pisstake said:
What have been the cut corners on the MCG?
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yup, that is basicly it

most builders try to 'simplify' things but grocon are a bit more notoroius in the construction industry for doing things cheaply

qv examples are just cutting / cheapening materials - replacing blustone of laneways with concrete pavers, cutting facade materials down etc (BHP would have to be one of the cheapest facades to be built in melbourne ever - i know the facade costs and it was scary!)

admittedly, they do have a bit of guts to do more big-picture style things, even if the detail does'nt get through
plotstyle said:
dont know for that project exaclty but generally finishes and design changes that make the thing easier to build or they just take things out for example a curved feature becomes straight aluminium becomes mild glav steel ect ect feature precast panels become just washed agg ect
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yup, that is basicly it

most builders try to 'simplify' things but grocon are a bit more notoroius in the construction industry for doing things cheaply

qv examples are just cutting / cheapening materials - replacing blustone of laneways with concrete pavers, cutting facade materials down etc (BHP would have to be one of the cheapest facades to be built in melbourne ever - i know the facade costs and it was scary!)

admittedly, they do have a bit of guts to do more big-picture style...
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is that carey or corbett?
pisstake said:
Fountainhead - What have been the cut corners on the MCG?
The changes to [email protected] were from BHP, had nothing to do with Grocon.
I found out I know the architech of the BHP building through my family and he is livid with how it turned out because the cutbacks completely ruined his design
is that carey or corbett?
pisstake said:
Fountainhead - What have been the cut corners on the MCG?
The changes to [email protected] were from BHP, had nothing to do with Grocon.
I found out I know the architech of the BHP building through my family and he is livid with how it turned out because the cutbacks completely ruined his design
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New Melbourne Convention Centre ???

Sorry if this is already posted somewhere?

I just received a newsletter from my professional organisation and they stated that a new convention centre is being built in melb and to be completed by 2008, next to Jeff's shed?? and that our 2010 annual conference will be held there.

Is there anything on paper yet or is it just a proposal at this stage??
New Melbourne Convention Centre ???

Sorry if this is already posted somewhere?

I just received a newsletter from my professional organisation and they stated that a new convention centre is being built in melb and to be completed by 2008, next to Jeff's shed?? and that our 2010 annual conference will be held there.

Is there anything on paper yet or is it just a proposal at this stage??
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Still a bit of a way off. I think its in the pre planning stage ATM. Tayser?
Hardie said:
Sorry if this is already posted somewhere?

I just received a newsletter from my professional organisation and they stated that a new convention centre is being built in melb and to be completed by 2008, next to Jeff's shed?? and that our 2010 annual conference will be held there.

Is there anything on paper yet or is it just a proposal at this stage??
Still a bit of a way off. I think its in the pre planning stage ATM. Tayser?
Hardie said:
Sorry if this is already posted somewhere?

I just received a newsletter from my professional organisation and they stated that a new convention centre is being built in melb and to be completed by 2008, next to Jeff's shed?? and that our 2010 annual conference will be held there.

Is there anything on paper yet or is it just a proposal at this stage??
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Don't look at me.

Hardie said:
Sorry if this is already posted somewhere?
It doesn't take more than a minute to do a search for any previous threads.

Threads merged.
Don't look at me.

Hardie said:
Sorry if this is already posted somewhere?
It doesn't take more than a minute to do a search for any previous threads.

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