:colgate: so is his just another excuse to build another foot bridge??? lol
Garmatt said:So the general consensus is that it's pretty ordinary....
I thought I was the only party pooper in that respect - good to see I'm not.
I expected the Daryl Jackson proposal (the one given the "McDonalds" analogy) to look something like this. I dread to think how bland that must have been.
I think it really says something about the state of the media and the government's awareness of good design when they make claims that it will become Melbourne's next 'icon'. They seem to be very easily impressed..........
Still, at a billion dollars I'm sure the materials and finishes will be top notch. Attention to detail may save this development, but in the meantime it seems that Melbourne has given up striving for that elusive '"icon".
:applause: I also think that people are forgetting about the six star green rating, which would be seen as a constraint on the design, as certain materials and design strategies would have to be employed to achieve this. For a building that achieves a six star rating it's pretty damn good. And I also think it's wrong to pin your hopes of a landmark and iconic design on a convention centre, it would be best reserved for a cultural building, perhaps like the end of Central Pier speaking of which they should be announcing that pretty soon. My only gripe with the Convention centre is the bridge (don't need it) and how close it is to the Exhibition centre. Other than that I couldn't ask for more (maybe another tower but meh). I'm interested in seeing all the other submissions.Adamonline said:People can be critical all that they want to be. But I ask that does every single building in Melbourne have to be an 'Opera House' or something bold and adventurous? Does indeed Melbourne need a landmark building? The ones that it has are very impressive and add to the fabric of the city. You're quite right that Melbourne can build marvellously by providing quality instead of statement.
Sydney has the Opera House. Melbourne has lots of archiwonders - eg ACCA, NGVI, Fed Square, VAC, VCA, RMIT Storey House, QV, Melb Central, Shrine of Remembrance annex, Jeff's Shed, the gateway to Melb, Melb Museum, SLV, etc etc etc - and that's not even any skyscrapers! Most were designed by Melburnians for Melbourne.Garmatt said:Maybe so.....but how often do these enormous projects arise? If, as Bracks says, this is the biggest redevelopment of a single site in Victoria's history why wouldn't you take the opportunity to make a huge statement - especially if your gonna spend 1 billion dollars in the process?
You must admit, most people have been waiting with baited breath for the announcement of this project and when it's finally revealed the general reaction is......"hmmm, well.......yes.....umm...well, it's functional!"
Melbourne deserves better than that!
Don't get me wrong. I'm only saying this because I care about Melbourne making the most of itself.
Adamonline - if Melbourne isn't crying out for an cion when these opportunities come up, why are the words "Opera House" mentioned by a Melburnian yet again? There's alot of really interesting stuff going on in Melbourne at the moment......but when is it going to get something smack-in-jaw stunning? The opportunities are there but no-one seems prepared to take the risk - so far.
What was Jana's choice, by the way? (considering she lives in Sydney and was interviewed on Clive James waxing lyrical about the place I can only guess...................)
:hilariousBlabbyboy said:Who your daddy now?
Yes it does, there are only 40 apartments, so they should easily be able to sell that many apartments in such a fantastic location.Bluestar said:Question: the word was earlier that the entire development was going to go up at about the same time; surely this does not include the residential towers?
Why not?? (if it doesn't strive for one...then - yes, I agree with you)Melbourne is not and never will be known for a singular iconic structure or structures
Absolutely hit the nail on the head in a far more concise way than I could've.3 - no , it doesn't have to be a bloody opera house but come on...it's just an increment above ordinary.
Don't quote me on this but I've heard a few whispers that we should be getting an announcement on Central Pier some time around the Commonwealth Games and it is supposed to involve Grand Plaza as well. Don't know much about the design (other than it should please most). Not sure what it will facilitate but some sort of cultural building is likely. :cheers:Garmatt said:Next big opportunity that I'm really excited about is the central pier development. Do you have insider information on the announcement date Archibomber?