Projects & Discussion | GREEN SQUARE TOWN CENTRE

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Brizer

Discussion Starter · Jun 12, 2014 (Edited)

Between 2015 and 2030, the GREEN SQUARE TOWN CENTRE is scheduled to see more construction than any of the cities of Adelaide, Hobart, Newcastle, Darwin or Wollongong on present indications, so a separate thread for it is not out of order.

The town centre itself is planned for a residential population of 5,500 and a working population of 7,000 though these figures are a few years old and estimates of the population of the Green Square Urban Renewal Area of which the town centre is the focal point, have risen from 33,000 ten or so years ago to 50,000 more recently, so I'd take the town centre estimates with a grain of salt.

Planning began in 1997 and since then there has been a town centre design competition (now history) and endless changes and shifts in the Masterplan or DCP (Development Control Plan).

In 2012 the DCP was agreed upon between City of Sydney and the main developer, LML (Landcom Mirvac Leighton consortium) now known as GSC (Green Square Consortium) which won the contract for council controlled lands in 2008.

In 2013 council quietly made a couple more changes to Site 13A dumping the provision for a staggered mixed use building to 18 storeys in favour of a child care centre of 4 & 3 storeys.

Across Joynton Avenue, the original plan for a multi-storeyed health and recreation centre was similarly transformed into an aquatic centre of no more than 2 storeys.

These changes to the DCP are identified in this 'doctored' image of the Built Form Plan of 2012:

This also indicates the sites owned by the various entities:
♦ GSC
♦ Bridgehill Zetland
♦ Crown
♦ Hatbands
♦ Council (Transport Place)
♦ Council (SSHS - former South Sydney Hospital Site)
♦ City West
♦ Owner of Site 10AB
♦ Ford-Mitsubishi
It also indicates projects so far lodged with council, two of which have been approved, two are being processed, one is pre-DA and one is at Draft Voluntary Plan stage.

In 2013 the street names were finalised:

1. GSC
2. Hatbands
3. City West (on SSH Site/Site 13)
4. Crown
Unnumbered are (it's a 2012 map):
Bridgehill Zetland between GSC & Hatbands except for the Drying Green Park and Geddes Avenue.
Transport Place across Botany Road around the railway station.
A small site on Botany Road (Site 10AB).

The map of the Development Sites:

Site 14 is the Ford-Mitsubishi Site: development is not expected in the short to medium term unless the lure of the record prices for development sites in Green Square proves too tempting.

Building Heights in Storeys Map with Ownership Sites

Concept Design 2012

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Matt777

· #2 · Jun 12, 2014

I was in a cab going through the junction at Green square station, and thought what a great junction for a res/com hub. Great train station, buses, access to inner west, east and the city, its a little crazy to think its taken this long though.

And whats with O'Riordan st being closed at the junction? Its a busy road, and the old way to the airport, is it not still a viable thoroughfare? I've seen it in the plans, and dont understand how closing it will work?

Brizer

Discussion Starter · #3 · Jun 12, 2014 (Edited)

The maps haven't been adjusted properly so that the Transport Place tower appears to sit on top of O'Riordan Street, but it will be turned to join directly to Wyndham Street and the south bound traffic will cross the intersection and then turn left into O'Riordan Street. The car wash currently there will go under the widened and realigned road.

This image for a failed project at 1 O'Riordan Street, corner of Bourke Road, shows the area to be resumed to realign O'Riordan Street:

The red hatched area is to go for street widening.

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Matt777

· #4 · Jun 12, 2014

^^ Thanks Brizer, I can see now. Will make for a better intersection too.

Brizer

Discussion Starter · #5 · Jun 13, 2014

A list of the number of buildings & their height in storeys according to the DCP with the buildings on Site 13A (18, 10, 8, 6 storeys) deleted and replaced with the current ones (4×², 3).

BUILDING COUNT IN STOREYS

Storeys – Number of buildings
28 × 1
24 × 2
22 × 1
21 × 2
18 × 1
17 × 1
15 × 2
14 × 2
12 × 3
10 × 9
9 × 1
8 × 6
6 × 5
5 × 1
4 × 4
3 × 1

Gives a total of 42 new buildings according to current plans. Time will tell how these pan out given changes that have occurred already.

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Brizer

Discussion Starter · #6 · Jun 13, 2014 (Edited)

TRANSPORT PLACE

According to the DCP and indicative models:

TRANSPORT PLACE
Site 1 Offices 21 storeys – 84m tbc*
Site 2 Offices 15 storeys – 57m tbc
Site 3 Offices 8 storeys – 35m tbc
Site 4 Offices 8 storeys – 35m tbc

* to be confirmed.

Image taken from the Green Square model at Town Hall House, prepared by CULWULLA.

Transport Place is front and centre of this image showing the location within the Town Centre and the surrounding environment.

The model gives only a possible concept of the complex showing disposition of buildings and their heights.
I assume a design competition will be held for either the 4 buildings or for the 21 storey tower and its attached 8 storey wing only.

The four buildings are designated as office buildings with some retail at ground or lower ground level.

In the past couple of years CofS has bought at least two of the sites adjoining sites 4 & 2 south (on the right in the hole on the model) along Botany Road but I've not heard any rumours of what is intended for those sites. You can also see how the model shows the correct future position of the buildings but not the realigned O'Riordan Street.

Geddes Avenue will be extended west across Botany Road to O'Riordan Street and perhaps to Bourke Road as the large industrial blocks need to be broken up for future uses & to increase permeability.

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Brizer

Discussion Starter · #7 · Jun 14, 2014 (Edited)

INFINITY BY CROWN

THE STAR OF ZETLAND

Day view: corner of Bourke & Ebsworth streets.

CROWN: Site 6 INFINITY BY CROWN

PRE-DA. Expected to be lodged...soon.

20 storeys 301 Botany Road cnr Bourke Street
$tba - 416 apartments - 5,000m² retail
Completion: 2016

Architect: Koichi Takada Architect

Night view from Botany Road at Green Square Plaza.

Crown has put its ownership banners on the buildings on the site.
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nb: improved pix x upwards

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Brizer

Discussion Starter · #8 · Jun 16, 2014 (Edited)

GREEN SQUARE CONSORTIUM
Formerly known as LML = Landcom-Mirvac-Leighton.

UrbanGrowth montage of what the GSC zone will look like on completion.

This is the largest area of land in the Town Centre with most of the tallest buildings. GSC area covers the core of the Town Centre, the main spaces of Green Square Plaza and Neilson Square, the 'high street' (UK) or 'main street' (US) of Ebsworth Street, the beginning of the main thoroughfare, Zetland Avenue, and it will be the most densely populated zone.

THE DCP ALLOWS:

GREEN SQUARE CONSORTIUM

Site 8A Offices - 24 storeys - 103m tbc
Site 5A Mixed Use-Residential - 28 storeys – 97m tbc
Site 8C Mixed Use-Residential - 24 storeys – 84m tbc
Site 15A Residential - 22 storeys – 77m tbc
Site 19A Mixed Use-Residential - 21 storeys – 75m tbc
Site 8B Offices - 17 storeys – 70m tbc
Site 18 Mixed Use-Residential - 18 storeys – 64m tbc
Site 7 Mixed Use-Residential - 15 storeys – 50m tbc
Site 15B C Mixed Use Residential - 12 storeys – 39m tbc
Site 17 Mixed Use-Residential - 12 storeys – 39m tbc
Site 5B Mixed Use-Residential - 10 storeys – 33m tbc
Site 16A B Mixed Use-Residential - 10ײ storeys – 33m tbc
Site 8D Mixed Use-Residential - 10 storeys – 33m tbc
Site 19B Mixed Use-Residential - 10 storeys – 33m tbc
Site 15 Residential - 6, 4 storeys – 18m tbc

APPROVED 2014 - 6 EBSWORTH STREET

Site 16AB: 6 EBSWORTH STREET

BEING PROCESSED 2014 - 960 BOURKE STREET

960 BOURKE STREET-2 & 4 EBSWORTH STREET

View NE along Bourke Street from Botany Road with Ebsworth Street going to the right from Bourke Street.

NEXT?
My guess: SITE 7 - 15 storeys on Ebsworth Street, descending to 12 storeys then 8 storeys on Green Square Plaza.

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acetone

· #9 · Jun 16, 2014

The plaza and lawn should really give it a town center feel. Good to see that this major thoroughfare will be pedestrian centric.

Never one to be satisfied though, can I ask, how far progressed are the plans for the areas north and west of the station?

Brizer

Discussion Starter · #10 · Jun 16, 2014

Give me some street/block addresses and I'll figure it out if I can.

Brizer

Discussion Starter · #11 · Jun 16, 2014

APARTMENT DISPLAY CENTRE: temporary

DA now on exhibition.

Application Number D/2014/795

Location:
956-960 Bourke Street ZETLAND NSW 2017

Description:

The proposed development relates to a portion of 956-960 Bourke Street at the corner of Bourke Street, Portman Street and Navins Lane. The proposal is for the construction of a temporary sales and display centre for marketing of new apartments in the Green Square Town Centre.
The temporary sales and display use is proposed for a period of between 4 weeks and 12 weeks. After that time, the structures will be dismantled. The proposed structures are two inflatable sales office buildings, timber decking for pedestrian circulation and new landscaping.
The proposed hours of operation are 7.00am to 6.00pm Monday to Sunday.
Car parking for 11 vehicles is proposed off Bourke Street.

Estimated Cost of Work:
$483,934.00

Another step forward BUT still no action on the infrastructure that I can see.
Applicant:
GREEN SQUARE CONSORTIUM PTY LTD

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$484K seems a lot of money to spend on a temporary structure & what's with the display period of between 4 & 12 weeks?
Apartments for sale will be for 2 projects initially, 960 Bourke Street and 6 Ebsworth Street.
That's a total of 484 apartments.

Also, the pre-sales of Infinity by Crown, 416± apartments must be not too far down the line.

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Cariad

· #12 · Jun 17, 2014

5 Finalists for the Aquatic Centre announced: http://www.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au/vision/major-developments/green-square/design-competition

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upwards

· #13 · Jun 17, 2014

mirvac green square website..
not much info yet...
but sales are supposed to start soon.

http://greensquare.mirvac.com/

Brizer

Discussion Starter · #14 · Jun 18, 2014 (Edited)

BRIDGEHILL ZETLAND

Former Waverly Council site
105-115 Portman Street, Zetland

Site 9A Residential 14 storeys
Site 12A Residential 14, 10 & 8 storeys
Site 9B Residential 10 & 10 storeys
Site 12B Residential 6 storeys

No DAs have yet been submitted but they will conform to the DCP for the GREEN SQUARE TOWN CENTRE.
I have a feeling the first application will not be far off though a design competition for either one site or all the sites is on the cards, however, we will only find out when it has been finalised if the usual process occurs.

The Draft Planning Agreement with the council for the dedication of land for infrastructure: streets, pedestrian links, etc., is currently being processed by council.

The southern section of Geddes Avenue for infrastructure is to be dedicated as well as land for parts of Paul Street, Botany Road, Hincliffe Street, Sonny Leonard Street, Tosh Lane and the north section of the pedestrian link from Geddes Ave to Sonny Leonard St.

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Brizer

Discussion Starter · #15 · Jun 18, 2014 (Edited)

Problem recognised & solved

Brizer

Discussion Starter · #16 · Jun 20, 2014 (Edited)

511-515 BOTANY ROAD: HATBANDS SITE

Sites 9A, 9B & 9C

Location outlined in green in Town Centre.

HATBANDS SITE: Site 11ABC 511-515 BOTANY ROAD

View from top of Emanuel Lane to Block A fronting Sonny Leonard Street with Block B on the right.

BEING PROCESSED

Building A 9 storeys – 30.5m
Building B 6 storeys – 21.5m
Building C 8 storeys – 30.5m

$79.5m 308 apartments – 335m² retail - ? car spaces

Completion: 2016?

Architect: Candalepas Architects

Draft Planning Agreement currently on exhibition for dedication of land for most of Sonny Leonard Street, parts of Paul Street, Hincliffe Street, widening of Botany Road footpath, the extension of Emanuel Lane & through site links to Botany Road and north from Sonny Leonard Street toward Geddes Avenue.

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Brizer

Discussion Starter · #17 · Jun 24, 2014 (Edited)

SITE 13 - THE FORMER SOUTH SYDNEY HOSPITAL SITE

Site outlined in red.

SITE 13A

The Child Care Centre including the adapted heritage Outpatients Building at front.

SITE 13B

The former Administration Building restored and adapted as the Green Square Infrastructure Centre designed by CHROFI. It was going to be a trigeneration facility but last year the council dropped its more advanced plans for it, one of a series of backtracks from its earlier Splendid Ideas. Dust now.

CITYWEST: Site 13C 130 PORTMAN STREET

APPROVED

Building A 8 storeys
Building B 6 storeys
$30m 104 apartments – 1 retail – 40 car spaces
Completion: 2016
Architect: Kann Finch Architects

View south along Portman Street of Block A.

Block B at the corner of Portman & Hansard streets.

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Fabian

· #18 · Jun 25, 2014

Thanks for all the preparation and set up of the thread. You've given me the idea to go out there and shoot some of the key sites before the developments begin. I'm hoping to do this second week of the school holidays. I'll be away interstate next week.

Brizer

Discussion Starter · #19 · Jun 26, 2014 (Edited)

SITE 14
Currently the FORD-MITSUBISHI SITE
Zetland & Joynton avenues, Elizabeth & Portman streets.
Zetland

The DCP for the site has been registered though I doubt development will occur in the immediate future unless the owners are lured into selling to take advantage of the record prices being paid for land in Green Square. It is a well located site with substantial development allowed, however, I've heard no rumours of any possible development though this may change when Zetland Avenue is constructed.

FORD-MITSUBISHI SITE
Site 14 Mixed Use-Residential 12, 10, 6ײ, 5 & 4ײ storeys

The now familiar Town Centre Built Form Plan of 2012 doctored to show the location and built form potential development of Site 14.

Image is of Site 13 Former South Sydney Hospital Site; SITE 14 is on the north side of the future Zetland Avenue which will cut through the southern part of the Ford carpark. It was the only image I can find so far.

Model of the Town Centre looking west along Zetland Avenue to Neilson Square, Green Square Plaza & the GS Railway Station.
Had the CofS not deleted the 18 storey tower on Site 13A, it would have formed an eastern portal to the Town Centre with the 12 storey tower on Site 14.

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Brizer

Discussion Starter · #20 · Jun 28, 2014 (Edited)

SITE 10

501 BOTANY ROAD
The last lot & the smallest.

Lot 10 is divided into 2 lots on this map but it appears to have been amalgamated into a single lot in later documents.

The adjusted x me 2012 Built Form Map showing location and form of the building on the site.

501-509 BOTANY ROAD

Site 10 10 storeys with Design Competition benefits, otherwise 8 storeys.

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This is currently a very scruffy site in urgent need of rescue and development but I've not heard any murmurings or rumours or subtle hints of anything planned for it. I hope a proposal arrives out of the blue soon for a better than expected project. I suspect that, given the relative smallness of the site, no special effort will be made, but I hope I'm wrong.

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