Projects & Discussion | NORTHERN BEACHES
Alan Jones has been mentioning this on and off for a week.
I have heard that there are towers of up to 20 storeys currently in the planning for Dee Why, and Sartor is the one who will be in charge.
Manly Daily Article - http://www.manlydaily.com.au/article/2008/01/26/8426_news_feature.html
I am aware of a 10 storey tower proposed for the Dee Why hotel.
Can anyone on the northside provide us with more info?
Locals up there are in arms about it!!!!
I have heard that there are towers of up to 20 storeys currently in the planning for Dee Why, and Sartor is the one who will be in charge.
Manly Daily Article - http://www.manlydaily.com.au/article/2008/01/26/8426_news_feature.html
I am aware of a 10 storey tower proposed for the Dee Why hotel.
Can anyone on the northside provide us with more info?
Locals up there are in arms about it!!!!
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someone posted something about this in a thread 6 or so months ago...
Yes, I remember following the leads to the Dee Why council site where there is - was? - plans for what they hope to achieve. These plans have been around for some years according to a mate who lives there.
Unsurprisingly, the local luddites are up in arms and predicting imminent chaos and destruction of the world as we know it.
Unsurprisingly, the local luddites are up in arms and predicting imminent chaos and destruction of the world as we know it.
Why not? Brilliant idea, Sydneysiders like to live by the sea.
The views would be great, even if they are being built along Pittwater Rd.
2 towers of 18 and 17 stories were approved by the council administrator last week. Dee Why is just 1 area the state government has earmarked as a major growth centre in the unforseeable future.
Dee Why gets green light
Kelly Robinson
6 May 2008
http://www.manlydaily.com.au/article/2008/05/06/10014_news.html
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An artists' impression of the Dee Why Town Centre where the maximum height of the proposed new towers has been reduced from 20 to 18 storeys.
A $400 million move to reinvigorate the Dee Why town centre is set to go ahead after a last-minute backdown on the controversial planned height of its residential towers.
Under the new proposal, which is excepted to be approved by council adminstrator Dick Persson, the maximum height of the tallest tower will now be 18 storeys instead of 20. A report, from Warringah Council's planning director Malcolm Ryan, to the council recommended the heights be reduced to no more than 18 and 17 storeys at their maximum heights, instead of 20 and 17 previously.
The proposed heights of the towers have caused uproar in a community concerned that the towers could set a precedent for high-rise in Dee Why.
Mr Ryan said the towers' shortened heights were a compromise. "The major issues, from community submissions, were the height of buildings, overshadowing, parking and the size of the buildings," he said.
"There is a need for Dee Why to fulfil its role in the Sydney Metropolitan Strategy and Draft North East Subregional Plan and be a major centre."
Dee Why resident Richard Michell said he was pleased with some compromise. "I'm very reluctant to say the only issue is height, but I am pleased to see some change. However, it still doesn't reduce the towers to a height appropriate for a coastal setting."
Warringah Council will also seek to develop parcels of land adjacent to the Multiplex-Vumbaca site.
The redevelopment would include residential, retail and commercial uses with streetscape improvements and underground parking.
The proposal covers the area between and around Howard and Oaks avenues and includes a new 3000sqm town square, a small marketplace, the doubling of Walter Gors Reserve, another small park and corporate offices.
The redevelopment proposal, from joint venture partners Brookfield Multiplex and the Vumbaca Brothers, included the towers at 20 and 17 storeys.
Under the draft LEP recommendations included in the report, the "western portion of the tower closest to Pittwater Rd is reduced to a height of not more than 69 m (15 storeys) and the eastern portion ... not more than 78 m".
One part of the eastern tower will also be reduced from 15 storeys to 14 storeys, but at their peaks the towers will be 18 and 17 storeys high.
The draft LEP allows the redevelopment proposed by joint venture Brookfield Multiplex and Vumbaca Brothers, which promises to "revitalise" the ailing suburb.
A traffic analysis, in Mr Ryan's report, said future development proposed for Dee Why would require substantial road changes to cope with high traffic demands.
Cars will also be directed one-way through the town centre as part of the design.
Mr Ryan said the traffic concerns raised in the report would not be caused by the proposal.
The applications for the redevelopment will be considered once the LEP has been gazetted by Planning Minister Frank Sartor.
Kelly Robinson
6 May 2008
http://www.manlydaily.com.au/article/2008/05/06/10014_news.html
An artists' impression of the Dee Why Town Centre where the maximum height of the proposed new towers has been reduced from 20 to 18 storeys.
A $400 million move to reinvigorate the Dee Why town centre is set to go ahead after a last-minute backdown on the controversial planned height of its residential towers.
Under the new proposal, which is excepted to be approved by council adminstrator Dick Persson, the maximum height of the tallest tower will now be 18 storeys instead of 20. A report, from Warringah Council's planning director Malcolm Ryan, to the council recommended the heights be reduced to no more than 18 and 17 storeys at their maximum heights, instead of 20 and 17 previously.
The proposed heights of the towers have caused uproar in a community concerned that the towers could set a precedent for high-rise in Dee Why.
Mr Ryan said the towers' shortened heights were a compromise. "The major issues, from community submissions, were the height of buildings, overshadowing, parking and the size of the buildings," he said.
"There is a need for Dee Why to fulfil its role in the Sydney Metropolitan Strategy and Draft North East Subregional Plan and be a major centre."
Dee Why resident Richard Michell said he was pleased with some compromise. "I'm very reluctant to say the only issue is height, but I am pleased to see some change. However, it still doesn't reduce the towers to a height appropriate for a coastal setting."
Warringah Council will also seek to develop parcels of land adjacent to the Multiplex-Vumbaca site.
The redevelopment would include residential, retail and commercial uses with streetscape improvements and underground parking.
The proposal covers the area between and around Howard and Oaks avenues and includes a new 3000sqm town square, a small marketplace, the doubling of Walter Gors Reserve, another small park and corporate offices.
The redevelopment proposal, from joint venture partners Brookfield Multiplex and the Vumbaca Brothers, included the towers at 20 and 17 storeys.
Under the draft LEP recommendations included in the report, the "western portion of the tower closest to Pittwater Rd is reduced to a height of not more than 69 m (15 storeys) and the eastern portion ... not more than 78 m".
One part of the eastern tower will also be reduced from 15 storeys to 14 storeys, but at their peaks the towers will be 18 and 17 storeys high.
The draft LEP allows the redevelopment proposed by joint venture Brookfield Multiplex and Vumbaca Brothers, which promises to "revitalise" the ailing suburb.
A traffic analysis, in Mr Ryan's report, said future development proposed for Dee Why would require substantial road changes to cope with high traffic demands.
Cars will also be directed one-way through the town centre as part of the design.
Mr Ryan said the traffic concerns raised in the report would not be caused by the proposal.
The applications for the redevelopment will be considered once the LEP has been gazetted by Planning Minister Frank Sartor.
From http://www.deewhytowncentre.com.au/index.php?main=25
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And from http://www.domain.com.au/Public/Article.aspx?id=1206207352006&index=NationalIndex
Here comes the next wave
Author: Susan Wellings
Date: March 29, 2008
Publication: Sydney Morning Herald (subscribe)
It was once a haven for beach shacks and 1960s apartment buildings. But now large tracts of Sydney's northern beaches are about to undergo a modern makeover, with a number of large apartment mixed-use developments being planned for the area.
And while they are sparking controversy among some, others believe it's exactly what the region needs: new medium-density housing close to fresh commercial, retail and community facilities.
"They say Sydney is one of the best cities in the world," says Matt Brady, of PRDnationwide at Seaforth, which has just produced a major new report on the northern beaches. "At the same time, the northern beaches is one of the best places to live in Sydney.
"So it's only right that at last we're getting some development, since there's such a shortage of stock here compared with the numbers of people who'd love to be able to move here."
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Growth in numbers
There are lots of big new developments either under way or on the drawing board for the area stretching from Sydney Harbour in the south to Narrabeen Lakes in the north.
The most contentious is a $100 million plan by Multiplex currently before Warringah Council to develop a site in Dee Why with between 400 and 600 residential apartments, with 1120 square metres of commercial space, 1400 square metres of retail space, a library and community centre.
"This involves two parcels of land and two towers of up to 20 storeys," says Malcolm Ryan, the council's director of planning and development servicess. "We've been in a bit of a hiatus after a lot of flats were built up to five or six years ago in Collaroy, and the economy slowed up and our supply of land slowed up. Now we're seeing a rise in the level of activity again."
The development is in line with the NSW Government's metropolitan strategy to provide more housing and other amenities for the area. "We're still working out the mix of design but it's going to be a real lifestyle precinct and we feel it will prove very, very popular," says Kevin Driscoll, Multiplex's head of apartment sales.
"[The northern beaches area] is a very desirable place to live because it's so close to the beach and it's a fantastic spot and there's a real demand for fresh development and housing."
Just along Pittwater Road, another large project - this time already under construction - is the redevelopment of the Dee Why Hotel site, to include 163 apartments, a supermarket, the redesigned hotel and commercial offices. It's due for completion in November next year. At 10,500 square metres, incorporating two residential towers of seven storeys and one five-storey commercial building, it's the largest development in the area for many years.
The area is quite desirable "and this is a unique mixed development," says Tony Bellingham of developer Murlan, working in conjunction with Bayfield Hotels.
"It'll provide people with the ability to live, work and play all within close proximity to each other, yet still be close to the beach. For this area, it's the first development of its kind. This is the beginning of the gentrification of the area."
Developer Stockland is also busy with an $87 million redevelopment of the old Totem Shopping Centre site in Balgowlah, with 235 apartments in seven buildings ranging in height from four to eight storeys, plus 25 townhouses, a supermarket and 50 specialty shops. The Village, Balgowlah, has been designed by architects Allen Jack & Cottier, and is due to come on the market in May.
In Manly there's the $142 million St Patrick's Estate development: Lend Lease recently completing 44 apartments and 16 strata townhouses at Cerretti Crescent, with some still for sale. Mornington is a new complex under way for the over-55s at Mona Vale, overlooking Bayview golf course, with completion due in October.
At Narrabeen Beach there are 18 new terrace homes, Reflections, developed by the AEH Group and Playoust Churcher Architects.
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Growth in price
The drivers for all the development have been the predicted rise in population and the recovering price of apartments.
According to Census data, the total population of the lower northern beaches is 170,947, spread over the local government areas of Manly and Warringah. That's forecast to grow at an average rate of 0.2 per cent a year over the next 25 years, to reach 186,500 in 2031.
As a consequence, the number of medium to high-density residential developments has been slowly increasing over the past five years, the new PRDnationwide report says, to the point where units and townhouses make up 43 per cent of dwellings.
Their median price has been growing steadily, too. Between 2000 and 2003 the median unit price leapt 12.3 per cent from $309,000 to $438,000, while last year there was a steady 2.2 per cent price growth, leaving the median at $455,000. Rents also have been strong.
"The highest demand, and rental growth in the region, was for two-bedroom apartments, which saw the median rental rate increase by 9.9 per cent to $420 a week," says PRD's NSW research analyst, Matthew Tiller. "Based on the median unit price and the median weekly rental rate, the average gross rental yield for units on the lower northern beaches was 4.8 per cent [for the year to last September]."
Tim Lawless, the residential research director for RP Data, agrees the area has great prospects for buyers.
"The strong performance runs in parallel with other inner-city and metro coastal locations around Sydney such as the eastern suburbs, inner Sydney and central northern Sydney, which have all returned capital growth rates of at least 14 per cent over the last year," he says.
"From a unit market perspective the stand-out suburbs have all been located along the coastline, with median prices in Queenscliff increasing by 14.7 per cent over the last year to reach $530,000 and Dee Why reaching a median price of $395,000."
The new large-scale developments are likely to make much more choice available for consumers. "This sort of development is new for the northern beaches," says Stephen Doyle, principal of Doyle Spillane in Dee Why. "They're going to really revitalise the area."
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Hooked on the beaches
Surfing, the beach, cafes - the northern beaches has it all, believes Mercedes salesman James van de Scheur.
The only thing it now needs is a few more newly built luxury apartments for sale.
"I've been looking to buy one for about a year now," says van de Scheur, 32, who lives in an older-style apartment at Narrabeen. "There aren't too many around, but I'm much more hopeful for the future."
Van de Scheur, who has lived by the beach for 10 years since moving from the Hunter Valley, says he wouldn't consider trying another area.
"The environment is so laid-back here, I love it," he says. "It's got great cafes, good surfing, nice beaches and - if you go further north - there are lakes and fishing and the chance to go for a sail. I'd like to buy a newer apartment, as I like new things, and hopefully there will soon be more opportunities."
Prices and strata levies are still to be set. Contact developer Murlan, 9552 1400.
And from http://www.domain.com.au/Public/Article.aspx?id=1206207352006&index=NationalIndex
Here comes the next wave
Author: Susan Wellings
Date: March 29, 2008
Publication: Sydney Morning Herald (subscribe)
It was once a haven for beach shacks and 1960s apartment buildings. But now large tracts of Sydney's northern beaches are about to undergo a modern makeover, with a number of large apartment mixed-use developments being planned for the area.
And while they are sparking controversy among some, others believe it's exactly what the region needs: new medium-density housing close to fresh commercial, retail and community facilities.
"They say Sydney is one of the best cities in the world," says Matt Brady, of PRDnationwide at Seaforth, which has just produced a major new report on the northern beaches. "At the same time, the northern beaches is one of the best places to live in Sydney.
"So it's only right that at last we're getting some development, since there's such a shortage of stock here compared with the numbers of people who'd love to be able to move here."
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Growth in numbers
There are lots of big new developments either under way or on the drawing board for the area stretching from Sydney Harbour in the south to Narrabeen Lakes in the north.
The most contentious is a $100 million plan by Multiplex currently before Warringah Council to develop a site in Dee Why with between 400 and 600 residential apartments, with 1120 square metres of commercial space, 1400 square metres of retail space, a library and community centre.
"This involves two parcels of land and two towers of up to 20 storeys," says Malcolm Ryan, the council's director of planning and development servicess. "We've been in a bit of a hiatus after a lot of flats were built up to five or six years ago in Collaroy, and the economy slowed up and our supply of land slowed up. Now we're seeing a rise in the level of activity again."
The development is in line with the NSW Government's metropolitan strategy to provide more housing and other amenities for the area. "We're still working out the mix of design but it's going to be a real lifestyle precinct and we feel it will prove very, very popular," says Kevin Driscoll, Multiplex's head of apartment sales.
"[The northern beaches area] is a very desirable place to live because it's so close to the beach and it's a fantastic spot and there's a real demand for fresh development and housing."
Just along Pittwater Road, another large project - this time already under construction - is the redevelopment of the Dee Why Hotel site, to include 163 apartments, a supermarket, the redesigned hotel and commercial offices. It's due for completion in November next year. At 10,500 square metres, incorporating two residential towers of seven storeys and one five-storey commercial building, it's the largest development in the area for many years.
The area is quite desirable "and this is a unique mixed development," says Tony Bellingham of developer Murlan, working in conjunction with Bayfield Hotels.
"It'll provide people with the ability to live, work and play all within close proximity to each other, yet still be close to the beach. For this area, it's the first development of its kind. This is the beginning of the gentrification of the area."
Developer Stockland is also busy with an $87 million redevelopment of the old Totem Shopping Centre site in Balgowlah, with 235 apartments in seven buildings ranging in height from four to eight storeys, plus 25 townhouses, a supermarket and 50 specialty shops. The Village, Balgowlah, has been designed by architects Allen Jack & Cottier, and is due to come on the market in May.
In Manly there's the $142 million St Patrick's Estate development: Lend Lease recently completing 44 apartments and 16 strata townhouses at Cerretti Crescent, with some still for sale. Mornington is a new complex under way for the over-55s at Mona Vale, overlooking Bayview golf course, with completion due in October.
At Narrabeen Beach there are 18 new terrace homes, Reflections, developed by the AEH Group and Playoust Churcher Architects.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Growth in price
The drivers for all the development have been the predicted rise in population and the recovering price of apartments.
According to Census data, the total population of the lower northern beaches is 170,947, spread over the local government areas of Manly and Warringah. That's forecast to grow at an average rate of 0.2 per cent a year over the next 25 years, to reach 186,500 in 2031.
As a consequence, the number of medium to high-density residential developments has been slowly increasing over the past five years, the new PRDnationwide report says, to the point where units and townhouses make up 43 per cent of dwellings.
Their median price has been growing steadily, too. Between 2000 and 2003 the median unit price leapt 12.3 per cent from $309,000 to $438,000, while last year there was a steady 2.2 per cent price growth, leaving the median at $455,000. Rents also have been strong.
"The highest demand, and rental growth in the region, was for two-bedroom apartments, which saw the median rental rate increase by 9.9 per cent to $420 a week," says PRD's NSW research analyst, Matthew Tiller. "Based on the median unit price and the median weekly rental rate, the average gross rental yield for units on the lower northern beaches was 4.8 per cent [for the year to last September]."
Tim Lawless, the residential research director for RP Data, agrees the area has great prospects for buyers.
"The strong performance runs in parallel with other inner-city and metro coastal locations around Sydney such as the eastern suburbs, inner Sydney and central northern Sydney, which have all returned capital growth rates of at least 14 per cent over the last year," he says.
"From a unit market perspective the stand-out suburbs have all been located along the coastline, with median prices in Queenscliff increasing by 14.7 per cent over the last year to reach $530,000 and Dee Why reaching a median price of $395,000."
The new large-scale developments are likely to make much more choice available for consumers. "This sort of development is new for the northern beaches," says Stephen Doyle, principal of Doyle Spillane in Dee Why. "They're going to really revitalise the area."
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Hooked on the beaches
Surfing, the beach, cafes - the northern beaches has it all, believes Mercedes salesman James van de Scheur.
The only thing it now needs is a few more newly built luxury apartments for sale.
"I've been looking to buy one for about a year now," says van de Scheur, 32, who lives in an older-style apartment at Narrabeen. "There aren't too many around, but I'm much more hopeful for the future."
Van de Scheur, who has lived by the beach for 10 years since moving from the Hunter Valley, says he wouldn't consider trying another area.
"The environment is so laid-back here, I love it," he says. "It's got great cafes, good surfing, nice beaches and - if you go further north - there are lakes and fishing and the chance to go for a sail. I'd like to buy a newer apartment, as I like new things, and hopefully there will soon be more opportunities."
Prices and strata levies are still to be set. Contact developer Murlan, 9552 1400.
Thanks CC. Great to see you back with this news!!! I believe that these are the two towers that they are talking about in the renders.
With the renders, I hope its just a concept because I think curved and wavy designs are better suited to the northern beaches given it's oceanside setting.
Retail component looks good too. Should lure a few people away from Warringah Mall. The shopping strip has declined in appeal in recent years.
With the renders, I hope its just a concept because I think curved and wavy designs are better suited to the northern beaches given it's oceanside setting.
Retail component looks good too. Should lure a few people away from Warringah Mall. The shopping strip has declined in appeal in recent years.
Been talk of this for years and years. For at least Long as remeber. Deewhy has gotten denser but nothing like this. Still waiting to see if happens. The place is already over built do so dont see that its out a the setting of the area.
But one thing its been marked for growth what about transport links ? It has now ? How about some larger office space ?
But one thing its been marked for growth what about transport links ? It has now ? How about some larger office space ?
same people who own the newport arms and the president in belrose...Bayfields
Savage cuts to towers from 20 storeys to 18/17!! Gee, that'll make all the difference...
This is where the highrises are planned (Warringah Council Website)
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According to the D/A's lodged this is what the suburb could get:
1 18-20 storey tower
1 15-17 storey tower
2 12 storey tower's
3 8 storey towers
and several towers up to 10 storeys tall!!!!
According to the D/A's lodged this is what the suburb could get:
1 18-20 storey tower
1 15-17 storey tower
2 12 storey tower's
3 8 storey towers
and several towers up to 10 storeys tall!!!!
'The Village' - Balgowlah
Apparently you have to pay $10 000 if you want to have a chance to buy property in this development at Balgowlah on the northern beaches at the corner of Condamine St and Sydney Rd.
This project will feature 235 apartments in seven lowrise buildings.
It is being developed by Stockland and apartments start from $395 000.
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The development also includes a new shopping centre with Coles and 60 Speciality shops over two levels
Internet site - http://www.stockland.com.au/Apartments/NSW/Balgowlah/TheVillage/About/
Apparently you have to pay $10 000 if you want to have a chance to buy property in this development at Balgowlah on the northern beaches at the corner of Condamine St and Sydney Rd.
This project will feature 235 apartments in seven lowrise buildings.
It is being developed by Stockland and apartments start from $395 000.
The development also includes a new shopping centre with Coles and 60 Speciality shops over two levels
Internet site - http://www.stockland.com.au/Apartments/NSW/Balgowlah/TheVillage/About/
At last nights meeting of Warringah Council (First one since 2003), they are planning to lobby the planning minister to reduce the 18 storey height limits that were set by the previous council. This is reported in the SMH.
There is already a big development underway on the former Dee Why Hotel site. This one is going to have about 300 apartments plus Coles, Harris Farm and other shops.
Seems that Sydneysiders like to live by the sea but don't enjoy sharing that space!
Classic NIMBY behaviour.
Unlike in other beachside suburbs, the highrise will be located well back from the beach. They seem to think that it will turn into another Gold Coast, but remember these towers are 15-20 storeys compared to the 60-70 stories which is the trend over there these days.
Why not DeeWhy can support a few towers, Better a few towers at DeeWhy than mid rise all the way to Mona Vale.
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