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A few things seem a bit dodgy with this. The build schedule, the project cost, and the trip pricing (plus the whole Myki thing which is stupid for non-victorians). I'd hope that this is actually completed a fair bit sooner than 2029, and for a smaller cost than $10b.

I'd like to see the trip fare cut in half; a family of 5 will have to spend $100 on getting to the airport at the current pricing, which is crazy.

I'd also hope that once they figure out the ticket/Myki system completely, there'll be a Myki option and a non-myki option for interstate and overseas travellers. I mean this should be a thing across the whole network too (i.e. using your debit or credit card to access PT rather than a dedicated Myki card).
 

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A few things seem a bit dodgy with this. The build schedule, the project cost, and the trip pricing (plus the whole Myki thing which is stupid for non-victorians). I'd hope that this is actually completed a fair bit sooner than 2029, and for a smaller cost than $10b.

I'd like to see the trip fare cut in half; a family of 5 will have to spend $100 on getting to the airport at the current pricing, which is crazy.

I'd also hope that once they figure out the ticket/Myki system completely, there'll be a Myki option and a non-myki option for interstate and overseas travellers. I mean this should be a thing across the whole network too (i.e. using your debit or credit card to access PT rather than a dedicated Myki card).
What's with the hate for Myki?

If I go overseas to most places, I go and buy their smartcard for use on public transport.
 

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21 November 2020
The Melbourne Airport Rail Link route will take travellers into the heart of the CBD in less than 30 minutes following an historic agreement announced today between the Australian and Victorian governments
Prime Minister Scott Morrison joined Premier Daniel Andrews to announce the route for the project, which will connect Victoria’s regional and metropolitan rail networks to the airport for the first time.
From 2029, Victorians will be able to catch a train directly from the CBD to the airport.
“The airport link is a nationally significant project and Victorians have been waiting a long time for it to become a reality. With construction to start in 2022, the agreement will support up to 8,000 jobs during construction,” the Prime Minister said.
“When complete, the link will slash travel times, bust congestion and be a major boost to the economy.”
Airport trains will run through the Metro Tunnel, meaning families in the booming south-eastern suburbs can get to the airport without changing trains, and the majority of Victorians can get to the airport with just one interchange from their closest station.
It also means that tourists visiting Victoria will be able to get from the airport to regional Victoria in a hassle-free way – meaning more visitors and jobs for our regions.
Melbourne Airport Rail will see 10-minute turn-up-and-go services running from Melbourne Airport through the heart of the city, providing direct connections to key sites including Melbourne University, the Parkville medical precinct, Melbourne Central and Flinders Street stations and the St Kilda Road business precinct.
Premier Daniel Andrews said today’s announcement was a historic day for all of Victoria.
“This project has been talked about for a long time, its key to our recovery and this design means it will benefit all Victorians,” Mr Andrews said.
“As we continue our recovery, we need a long-term plan. We need a pipeline of jobs for Victorians looking for work now, and for those who will need jobs in the future. We said we’d deliver this project, and we’re keeping our promise.”
Deputy Prime Minister and Minister for Infrastructure, Transport and Regional Development Michael McCormack said this vital piece of infrastructure would transform travel to and from Melbourne Airport.
“The aviation industry is so important to Australia’s economy and by investing in this rail link, we’re making it even easier for Victorians to travel to and from Melbourne Airport,” the Deputy Prime Minister said.
“This investment is an important part of the economic road back – it will be a job-creator for Victorians and a huge boost to so many local businesses across the construction industry.”
Federal Minister for Population, Cities and Urban Infrastructure Alan Tudge said a rail line to the airport was long overdue for Melbourne.
“Our objective has always been to deliver a rail connection that is fast, affordable and built as quickly as possible,” Mr Tudge said.
“For those in the south east it will mean a trip to the airport without changing trains, and for others just one change.”
Minister for Transport Infrastructure Jacinta Allan said that Airport Rail via Sunshine means that the majority of Victorians can access the airport by rail, as quickly as possible.
“This will give Victorians the fastest, most direct trip to the airport through the Metro Tunnel which will deliver more trains, more often.”
Melbourne’s west will also have direct airport access via a single interchange at Sunshine Station, or Footscray Station for Werribee and Williamstown line passengers.
Passengers on all city loop trains will be able to connect to airport trains at Flinders Street and Melbourne Central.
Passengers from the regional centres of Geelong, Ballarat and Bendigo will travel to the airport via a single interchange at Sunshine, while passengers from Gippsland will be connected via a single interchange at a choice of locations along the Cranbourne and Pakenham lines.
It delivers the best possible integration with the existing network and paves the way for future improvements to regional and western metropolitan lines.
Melbourne Airport Rail will use the new fleet of High Capacity Metro Trains – the biggest and most passenger-friendly trains on Victoria’s train network.
The Victorian and Australian governments have committed $5 billion each in funding. Detailed planning and development work is currently underway, which will inform more detailed cost estimates.
Construction will begin in 2022, with a target completion date for Melbourne Airport Rail of 2029 – subject to the business case and relevant Victorian and Federal planning, environmental and other government approvals.
 

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Just an announceable presser by the looks - the media got a technical briefing beforehand, will have to wait to see if anything new is released.

Regardless, it looks - at this stage - just like SRL: no narrowed-down estimate of cost et al because they're going to market with it as yet (and will probably let us know - hopefully - once that process is complete).
 

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This means that South Yarra station will not be on MARL. Also, Dan said that the work will start end of 2022 - so still 2 years before the groundwork begins.
 

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lots of detail/cards still being held close to the government's chest, but from the brochure there's a little bit / confirmation on some of the project's scope:

The proposed project scope includes the following key elements:
— A new premium station at Melbourne Airport
— New tracks and elevated structures between Melbourne Airport and Albion
— Track reconfiguration including new tracks and structures to separate lines between Albion and Sunshine stations.
 

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This means that South Yarra station will not be on MARL. Also, Dan said that the work will start end of 2022 - so still 2 years before the groundwork begins.
with a likely 5-10 minute frequency of service from South Yarra toward the city outside of peak once Pak/Cran are removed, people in SY have plenty of options to connect at Flinders Street (Sandringham) or Flinders Street and Melbourne Central (Frankston).
 

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What's with the hate for Myki?

If I go overseas to most places, I go and buy their smartcard for use on public transport.
I don't necessarily hate Myki, I just think the smartcard system is a bit outdated and difficult. It would be more straightforward (especially for tourists) if we we could use our bank cards to touch on and off.
 

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They are going to upgrade Myki to allow touch on and offs with a credit and debit card The Airport line is still years away and by that time the Myki system will have several advanced upgrades in place.
 

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They are going to upgrade Myki to allow touch on and offs with a credit and debit card The Airport line is still years away and by that time the Myki system will have several advanced upgrades in place.
Not to mention you can effectively do this using Android, it's only apple that's the issue and that won't be rectified until Myki becomes a centrally stored value system rather than the local store version we currently have (each card's balance is stored on the card, not on a centrally located server. When you top up online, every myki machine is waiting for your card to be tapped to update the value on your card, when it does that info is purged from the central system).
 

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Sydney Metro West will likely open before this & that's 30km's of twin tunnel with at least one station deep under the city.
Correct all these projects will open before this:-

  • Sydney Metro from Chatswood to Bankstown via 4 new CBD stations (City SW metro) - late 2023
  • Sydney West International Airport 2026
  • Sydney West International Airport Metro 2026
  • Sydney West Metro from Parramatta to CBD due 2028. Site prep commenced this week.

It is great to see Melbourne finally getting this but 2029? I mean if Brissy and Perth can do it so can Melbourne right. This will be almost 30 years after the Sydney airport link opened in the year 2000 I might add.

Surely this could be built much sooner given it connects to the existing network at Sunshine and runs through the new city stations. Projects seem to take so long. 30 to 40 years for the loop.
 

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Sydney Metro West will likely open before this & that's 30km's of twin tunnel with at least one station deep under the city.
Correct all these projects will open before this:-

  • Sydney Metro from Chatswood to Bankstown via 4 new CBD stations (City SW metro) - late 2023
  • Sydney West International Airport 2026
  • Sydney West International Airport Metro 2026
  • Sydney West Metro from Parramatta to CBD due 2028. Site prep commenced this week.

It is great to see Melbourne finally getting this but 2029? I mean if Brissy and Perth can do it so can Melbourne right. This will be almost 30 years after the Sydney airport link opened in the year 2000 I might add.

Surely this could be built much sooner given it connects to the existing network at Sunshine and runs through the new city stations. Projects seem to take so long. 30 to 40 years for the loop.

Perhaps it is budget pressures.

NSW just allocated $30 Billion over the next 4 years for the metro projects above.

Better to just borrow and get the job done rather than stretch it out for the next 8 to 9 years.
 
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