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The difference with the train, is less variance in travel time as well as more easy interchanges with the city and surrounding network, not everyone who takes the skybus has the final destination be southern cross station, they have to change to other modes to get to their final destination don't they?
 

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you'd think we'd end up with a HK airport express type service after all the BS indecision over the last 10 years.........this should be a 15 - 20 service from the CBD (tops).........complete waste of money if its not
 

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Look at the timetable rather than make things up.

It takes 13 minutes from the International terminal and 11 minutes from domestic to get to Central.

You also make out it being built in its entirety from scratch ... Isn't it joining the existing line at Sunshine?. The only new section for this project is the Sunshine to Airport section as the city stations are part of the project underway.
Maybe that's what it's supposed to do but I have caught the train around 50 times and it's never taken less than 20 minutes from the domestic terminals to Central. Even the big bill boards at the airport advertise more than 11 minutes.
 

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The line only should be a once daily surcharge of under $5. Since the service is a standard suburban train, I feel that a high charge would be out of line with the service provided. We don't want to repeat the mistakes of the Sydney and Brisbane lines.

The surcharges should only be a once daily fee to encourage usage amongst airport employees and not to penalise frequent users of the link.
I don't believe that what you are suggesting is an economically responsible outcome. My opinion of course.
 

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Actually, fare revenue would have been shared.
I was just going off memory. This 2018 article suggests IFM would be keeping it all.

Under the plan, IFM would keep the ticket revenue, with chief Brett Himbury saying the rail link would become a “dependable long-term” investment for a fund that looks after the superannuation of half of Victoria’s working population.
 

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It really doesn't (contrast NSW Libs versus Vic Libs - and yes, being in government helps, but relatively recent experience of Libs in Vic paints a very different picture to those north of the Murray).

It's just that with Liberal governments (in Vic), they still haven't shaken off their image/personna that they favour building more and more road projects versus the relative 'real' balance (and not just the balance everyone's been talking about for 2 decades) of public transport projects versus road projects we see clearly demonstrated with Labor governments these days.

It's a bias I'm willing to own, but I don't/won't shy away from it either - Liberals have far more to prove than Labs do.
 

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you'd think we'd end up with a HK airport express type service after all the BS indecision over the last 10 years.........this should be a 15 - 20 service from the CBD (tops).........complete waste of money if its not
Do you really think that someone, after getting off an 8h flight to Asia, 15h flight to LA, or 20h flight to London, is going to care that their trip to a CBD hotel will take them a shocking, blood curdling 30min instead of 20? Speed is not of the essence, it's capacity, frequency, and reliability.
 

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Hi all.
I don’t know the economics of this well but in principle, why shouldn’t the airport link/station just be considered another stop on the myki system rather than a premium leg (ie the ~$20 fare)? Is it a commercial issue with Melb airport operators (ie contracts guaranteeing dodgy public outcome) or with skybus? Or because of the big spend required to make it happen, ie recouping construction costs? If the latter, how is it any different to any other major costly line extension on the metro network, which would just be incorporated into the myki cost structure? The patronage would be huge if it was just another stop on the line rather than a premium option, not to mention the great first impression for visitors..
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I wouldn't get too hung up on this as the pricing mentioned as it seemed to more in the context of stating that it would be similar to the Skybus service. A ROI is not unreasonable by charging a fee on top of the Myki fare.

If the ALP is reelected in 2022, once the they start crunching the numbers in the mid 20s after doing some public surveys they'll hopefully see a fare more in the $8-$12 range at todays prices will generate much more pax. That will still represent reasonable value given Sydney currently charges $14.87 & Bris Airtrain costs $19.50. Most likely it will better or be comparable to Honkers $20 (OW), Narita Express $42 or KLs $18.50 (70kms) which are all express services. Not as cheap as the all stop airport lines like Singapore's SD$2.20 fare, Bangkok's $2 fare or the lovely slow Piccadilly line to LHR last time I took it for just over 4 quid.

The fact is that this will essentially be a semi express service for the around 30 min journey and an extra reasonable fee on top of the base Myki fare in not unwarranted. Whatever happens with the fare, Skybus will lose 75% of their pax by the first 12 months of service as the MARL offers much easier connection options.
 

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Do you really think that someone, after getting off an 8h flight to Asia, 15h flight to LA, or 20h flight to London, is going to care that their trip to a CBD hotel will take them a shocking, blood curdling 30min instead of 20? Speed is not of the essence, it's capacity, frequency, and reliability.
Exactly! This is completely the essence of it. Reliability of journey time, good capacity, high frequency and connectivity trumps a small time saving for most domestic & international pax and local workers.

Btw theskier, as a semi-regular user of the HK Express it usually takes 24-25 mins to HK station from the airport. A 29 min MARL journey to Town Hall is completely commensurate with this.
 

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The politicians have grasped it (and are actively trying to get that message out) but many people - including some media - still haven't got their heads around the concept of mass connection opportunities = a far better outcome than just running from SX.

Let's see how well they sell that message in the coming years.
 

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still haven't got their heads around the concept of mass connection opportunities = a far better outcome than just running from SX.
Like the SRL or skyrail. Some haters will always be haters no matter what, but for most people on the fence once they see it in the flesh they'll come around to it.

t's just that with Liberal governments (in Vic), they still haven't shaken off their image/personna that they favour building more and more road projects versus the relative 'real' balance (and not just the balance everyone's been talking about for 2 decades) of public transport projects versus road projects we see clearly demonstrated with Labor governments these days.
Labor's biggest issue is network coverage (especially busses) and network wide frequency. Need to be upping more services to 4tph if not 6tph between 6am and 9pm (with more in the peak), 7 days a week. Not sure what the point is spending all this money upgrading the Sunbury Line if it stays at 1.5tph on a sunday morning.....

Liberal's are risk adverse and don't like spending too much money on the big flashy projects (although this is changing with covid forcing their hand), and have always preferred to increase off-peak frequencies as an easy way to boost capacity. I've been happy to see David Davis come out talking about logical tram extentions, more level crossings removed and duplicating bottle necked sections for trains, as well as increasing frequencies. I hope they've realised that if anyone is going to take them seriously at the next election, they need to be promoting PTV, and not road crossing removals.
 

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Regarding the 2029 completion, I’d guess there is about 2 years float in that. The government likes to announce that they are delivering early. Look at Melbourne Metro. Even though it’s gone to shit financially, they are still ahead of schedule by one year. If they need that extra year then expect billions more blowout. If MARL takes 9 years to come to fruition then it won’t be done for 10 billion.

Even for 50 day rail occupations the government will add nearly a week to what is announced publicly.
 

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Maybe that's what it's supposed to do but I have caught the train around 50 times and it's never taken less than 20 minutes from the domestic terminals to Central. Even the big bill boards at the airport advertise more than 11 minutes.
The only part of the day it might stretch out to 20 minutes is the morning peak between about 7:45 an 8:30. The rest of the day it’s as per timetable. I’ve caught it over 6,000 times.
 

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The only part of the day it might stretch out to 20 minutes is the morning peak between about 7:45 an 8:30. The rest of the day it’s as per timetable. I’ve caught it over 6,000 times.
According to Sydney Trains and NSW TrainLink (Intercity) performance reports, the T8 line usually runs at about >95% punctuality, that's less than a five minute delay. Seems pretty reliable in my experience as well, and the timetable has quite a lot of slack in it as is.
 

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Maybe that's what it's supposed to do but I have caught the train around 50 times and it's never taken less than 20 minutes from the domestic terminals to Central. Even the big bill boards at the airport advertise more than 11 minutes.
So by the same token, Melbourne rail will probably take an hour.
 

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The only part of the day it might stretch out to 20 minutes is the morning peak between about 7:45 an 8:30. The rest of the day it’s as per timetable. I’ve caught it over 6,000 times.
I don't doubt you but I'm certain it is regularly more than 11 minutes. Isn't it advertised at 17 minutes or something like that? Happy to stand corrected, I'm not trying to points score.

The Melbourne Airport line from Tullamarine to Town Hall Station will be circa 28kms. That is a lot longer than the Sydney one to Central or Circular Quay for that matter. At 28kms between Tulla and Town Hall that's 48kms per hour before deducting stops of which there will be five in between those two points.

If you started driving on Flinders St next to the station, the train would almost beat you to the airport even in the middle of the night, most certainly get you into the terminal earlier.

My take on all these projects is Great, let's get them built. Melbourne will be much better for them even if some are not optimal solutions. Cup half full.

Also, I'm happy with Sydney's rail and road projects. As someone with family history extended back there almost 200 years its always good to see them thriving.
 
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