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Rumours are kicking around that the SRL will end up between Broadmeadows and Watergardens (via Airport), then down to Caroline Springs and Tarneit/Wyndham Vale. Thus Watergardens might end up being the main interchange/interface with Melb Metro.
Argh, let's not give ourselves the next Railpage-induced "freight trains won't be able to run over skyrail [sic]" incident re: SRL.
 

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Wait, there are terminals proposed west of the future N/S runway?
Yes. Very long term as I said. Long after 2040. After a Terminal 5 south of Terminal 4 and Terminal 6 in the middle of the airfield. Part of the 'Ultimate Development Plan'. Only relevant when planning transport infrastructure.
 

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Have you got a link to this masterplan? I can't seem to find it anywhere!
 

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So a future aviation development precinct is definitely passenger terminals?
 

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despite not seeing the business case yet, it's not stopping Vic Gov from recruiting.

Fancy 250k-360k per annum? :)

 

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Leadership changes in Gov on 3AW today apparantly... Jeroen Weimar, the now former head of the Department of Transport being appointed to the head of COVID Testing Victoria. Nick Foa will take up the role of the head of the Department of Transport. Nick Foa was the Chief Executive Officer at Suburban Rail Loop Authority.
 

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The July boring sites have been updated, including what look like more detailed sampling around potential station locations. It certainly looks like it will be a Southland station for the southern terminus, smack bang in the middle of the park.

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Meanwhile, if these drilling sites do indicate where the station boxes may be, then the Deakin site seems a fair bit south of the uni:

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And the Monash corridor seems to be shoring up (I wish they'd add a station in the Notting Hill area long-term, but it seems unlikely):

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(The map is from Twitter user Operational Incident, available here)
 

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By the by, taking the above into account, a rough guide re: distances

  • Southland-Clayton section is ~8.5-9km.
  • Clayton-Monash is ~2km
  • Monash-Glen Waverley is ~4.5km
  • Glen Waverley-Deakin is ~6.5km
  • Deakin-Box hill is ~3-3.5km
Assumption: (Broadly using stats from the Alstom Metropolis platform specifically built for Sydney Metro) Trains will have 1m/s2 acceleration rate, top speed of 120kph (I've heard 130kph speeds been talked about previously - one of the many things I'd like to see confirmed in the business case whenever/if ever it's friggun well released this year).

20 second stops at each station + ~40 seconds to reach top / near top speed (in which you'd have travelled about ~550-600m), the Southland/Cheltenham-Clayton journey would be:

1 minute (station stop + time to get to top speed) + 6.5-7.0km @ ~100-120kph (~3m55s-3m15s) + 1 min to slow down for Clayton. Let's just say ~6 minutes from Southland to Clayton.

Clayton-Monash would probably not hit top speed, but a ~3ish minute journey.

Monash-Glen Waverley: 1 + 1m30s-1m50s + 1 (~4 min) journey

Glen Waverley-Deakin: 1 + 2-2m30s + 1 (~5 min) journey

Deakin-Box Hill: 1 + 1-1m15s + 1 (3.5 min) journey.

(I'm well known to suck at mathematics but I believe I'm erring on the conservative side with the above and I think it squares with what's already been published re: journey times in the only public domain docs available atm).

That's a fast journey from Box hill to Clayton or Southland or vv - even with the dog's leg out to Glen Waverley! - compared to existing surface transport (no freeway access, roads probably limited to 60-80kph on Springvale/Middleborough/Stephensons Roads etc). Redonculously f**k off fast, actually.
 

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So, are you suggesting a 21min trip from Southland to Box Hill?

If so, that's very good for two places that are 17km as the crow flies!
 

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If they're really interested in Southland, makes me wonder if they're intending to make it capable of being extended to Sandringham in the future. With it only a few kms down the road, it wouldn't be a difficult extension to do. Allow people to go to the beach all the way from Box Hill. :p
 

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So, are you suggesting a 21min trip from Southland to Box Hill?

If so, that's very good for two places that are 17km as the crow flies!
Well, the strategic assessment (see here - you have to download the doc separately) has "Cheltenham" to Airport @ 45 min and Box Hill to Airport @ 25 min... that would suggest 20 minutes "Cheltenham"-Box Hill: I got pretty damn close!
 

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^^But the rail and road alignment is very close to the "as the crow flies" distance.
The driving distance and time between Southland and Box Hill is 33min and 21km ;)



It's not the same. It would be more similar to a line that would connect Aubin Grove to Seaforth Station in 20min while connecting 2 universities and 4 separate rail lines in the process.


You can't compare this to anything in Perth.
 
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