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Inadequate public transportation in other greek cities and what we should learn from our neighbours/med. friends (Italy,Spain,Turkey,Balkan cities )
I open this thread because many people (the other 5 millions of greek people ) who live out of Athens and Thessaloniki , continue to have 3rd world public transportation systems and it seems no hope for the future.
Actually we can put also thessaloniki in the list of the other greek cities since the only system which this city has at the moment is "ugly buses"
For sure a big discussion can be made and i wait for your opinions/comments/proposals/ show of anger.
I just start this with some and some comments :
Greece became a member of European Union in 1981.
Today we have 2005.
For the people who know , allready 3 big funding packages from EU have been spent (1,2,3 ΚΠΣ ) .
For sure some things have been done these 24 years.
But it is too less for the money spent and for the chances that were lost.
I remind to dear friends here what was spain in 1986 (when it was still called the poor south with greece and portugal) and where is spain now.
As about Turkey ,it deservers a big bravo , because with many financial difficulties (crisis 2001) and without being member of EU (so almost no money) it has changed totaly the last 15-20 years. (please people dont start here a discussion about GDP per capita etc. this is a thread about infrastructure in public transportation and only )
I am glad for this developement of Turkey.
At the same time i am sad , that all the countryside of Greece was forgoten and let behind (like the train is gone and we still wait at the trainstation)
All of you here (friends of the greek forum) can very easily have a look at the beautiful threads of public transportation media photos (trams,metro,s-bahn, etc) from many cities in turkey,italy,spain,portugal.
And here all we got is just the same soup ten times a day (thanks God for the olympics ). And this soup is ATHENS and ATHENS and ATHENS.
There it stops.
No developement out of this city.
And developement i dont mean multicinemas,restaurants and bars for the tourists.
Anyway i could say much about all these.
I focus on the title.
PUBLIC TRANSPORT OF GREEK CITIES EXCEPT ATHENS
Thessaloniki : Only buses (~530) (hopefully it was announced from the minister of transport that untill 2008 80% of the buses must be under 5-6 years old and modern, lets see.... , also it was anounced the creation (how?) of a suburban line )
And from here starts the chaos...(and misery because there is no hope-no projects anounced)
Patra : ~80 buses (half of them 30 years old and the other half 15 years old used from Austria or Germany -they dont even take out the german signs lol )
Heraclion: ~60 buses (the same like patra , most of the old and used)
Larissa: only buses (the same)
Volos: only buses (the same, ugly and old)
Ioannina: only buses (the same ,second hand all of them)
Kavala : only buses (the same)
I should also mention that all the the above buses are not environmentally friendly . Actually most of them have bad maintainance (dont forget they are sold as allready old from germany and austria) .
Also the price of the ticket is crazy for the quality of service (for example a simple ride can reach 1 euro)
And now from the misery ...to the other side!
Enjoy the photos!!
PORTO (PORTUGAL)
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BILBAO (SPAIN)
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CATANIA (ITALY)
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KONYA (TURKEY)
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LILLE (FRANCE)
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ESKISEHIR (TURKEY)
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ZAGREB(CROATIA)
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CAEN (FRANCE)
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And many other that it would take long time to list them all....
Now i supose you can understand the feeling of ANGER and SADNESS for all the Greek governments and local politicians and their policies of all the last 24 years of participation of greece in EU .
THIS HAS TO STOP.
PEOPLE WHO LIVE OUT OF THE CAPITAL (but also in it) DESERVE BETTER INFRASTRUCTURE, BETTER FUTURE AND BETTER QUALITY OF LIFE.
END.
thank you for your patience and i wait for your comments.
I open this thread because many people (the other 5 millions of greek people ) who live out of Athens and Thessaloniki , continue to have 3rd world public transportation systems and it seems no hope for the future.
Actually we can put also thessaloniki in the list of the other greek cities since the only system which this city has at the moment is "ugly buses"
For sure a big discussion can be made and i wait for your opinions/comments/proposals/ show of anger.
I just start this with some and some comments :
Greece became a member of European Union in 1981.
Today we have 2005.
For the people who know , allready 3 big funding packages from EU have been spent (1,2,3 ΚΠΣ ) .
For sure some things have been done these 24 years.
But it is too less for the money spent and for the chances that were lost.
I remind to dear friends here what was spain in 1986 (when it was still called the poor south with greece and portugal) and where is spain now.
As about Turkey ,it deservers a big bravo , because with many financial difficulties (crisis 2001) and without being member of EU (so almost no money) it has changed totaly the last 15-20 years. (please people dont start here a discussion about GDP per capita etc. this is a thread about infrastructure in public transportation and only )
I am glad for this developement of Turkey.
At the same time i am sad , that all the countryside of Greece was forgoten and let behind (like the train is gone and we still wait at the trainstation)
All of you here (friends of the greek forum) can very easily have a look at the beautiful threads of public transportation media photos (trams,metro,s-bahn, etc) from many cities in turkey,italy,spain,portugal.
And here all we got is just the same soup ten times a day (thanks God for the olympics ). And this soup is ATHENS and ATHENS and ATHENS.
There it stops.
No developement out of this city.
And developement i dont mean multicinemas,restaurants and bars for the tourists.
Anyway i could say much about all these.
I focus on the title.
PUBLIC TRANSPORT OF GREEK CITIES EXCEPT ATHENS
Thessaloniki : Only buses (~530) (hopefully it was announced from the minister of transport that untill 2008 80% of the buses must be under 5-6 years old and modern, lets see.... , also it was anounced the creation (how?) of a suburban line )
And from here starts the chaos...(and misery because there is no hope-no projects anounced)
Patra : ~80 buses (half of them 30 years old and the other half 15 years old used from Austria or Germany -they dont even take out the german signs lol )
Heraclion: ~60 buses (the same like patra , most of the old and used)
Larissa: only buses (the same)
Volos: only buses (the same, ugly and old)
Ioannina: only buses (the same ,second hand all of them)
Kavala : only buses (the same)
I should also mention that all the the above buses are not environmentally friendly . Actually most of them have bad maintainance (dont forget they are sold as allready old from germany and austria) .
Also the price of the ticket is crazy for the quality of service (for example a simple ride can reach 1 euro)
And now from the misery ...to the other side!
Enjoy the photos!!PORTO (PORTUGAL)
BILBAO (SPAIN)
CATANIA (ITALY)
KONYA (TURKEY)
LILLE (FRANCE)
ESKISEHIR (TURKEY)
ZAGREB(CROATIA)
CAEN (FRANCE)
And many other that it would take long time to list them all....
Now i supose you can understand the feeling of ANGER and SADNESS for all the Greek governments and local politicians and their policies of all the last 24 years of participation of greece in EU .
THIS HAS TO STOP.
PEOPLE WHO LIVE OUT OF THE CAPITAL (but also in it) DESERVE BETTER INFRASTRUCTURE, BETTER FUTURE AND BETTER QUALITY OF LIFE.
END.
thank you for your patience and i wait for your comments.
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