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Royal George Public House, Brunton Park.

The Royal George is now just a 'memory'. I took this photo of the Care Home being built on the site last week, from exactly the same spot as the two photos of the Royal George (later on in this post) were taken from.

It appears that the new Care Home is nearly finished . . .



There were over 600 objections to this demolition and development, but it made no difference whatsoever.


Below is a photo of the Royal George, from the Journal a while back . .

Wave of protests at bid to bulldoze pub
Oct 1 2008 by Tony Henderson, The Journal



Plans to demolish a Newcastle pub have been met with a wave of protest.

Hadrian Healthcare wants to build a 46-bedroom residential care home on the site of the Royal George in Brunton Park, Newcastle, just north of Gosforth.

More than 530 letters of objection have been lodged, together with a protest petition of 399 signatures.

The bid goes before city councillors on Friday.

Objections include:

The pub is a focal point for the estate and a community asset

The proposed building is more than three times the size of the existing pub building

The plans will harm the viability of the local centre of which the pub is part and which features a shopping parade, community centre, church and clinic.

All three ward councillors have protested against the proposal.

Council leader and ward member John Shipley has objected to the plans, saying that the proposed building is too large for the site and encroaches too closely on neighbouring houses. He also fears the scheme will have a negative impact on the local centre and that the Royal George has been a fundamental part of Brunton Park’s facilities since the estate was built.

Two other ward councillors have also objected. Coun Diane Packham does not consider that there is a demand for further residential care in Gosforth and the proposal does not support council policy to keep older people independent at home for as long as possible.

She also says that the Royal George is an essential element of the local centre.

Coun David Down claims that the proposal would be out of character with the area and that it would be overbearing and intrusive on neighbouring properties.

North Gosforth Parish Council has objected to the proposal due to the loss of a valuable community asset that provides a facility for residents to meet and that the loss of the pub may cause drink-driving.

The pub closed in early August.

Planners say although there have been substantial objections to the loss of the pub, they think that refusal of the proposal on these grounds could not be sustained.

However, they consider the scale and form of the development would have an unacceptable impact on nearby homes.

The proposal, at almost three times the size of the existing building, is considered to be an overdevelopment of the site, and planners are advising that the scheme should be rejected.


Another photo of the Royal George, as it once was . .
 

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I live in North Gosforth near Asda and had a walk up through Brunton Park and The Great Park the other night, until then I didn't realise the pub had gone. What an absolute disgrace it is too. Just as they're building a whole new community there it loses one of it's only community facilities.

Have to say I was very dissapointed with the quality of the great park too. About 2 years since I was last up there very little progress has been made. Pavements and curbs are sinking and collapsing and drains have cones on them to stop people getting injured. Cars are parked absolutely everywhere and over everything, there's no access between the great park and brunton park for the new residents to use the shops (or the former pub) easily. Lights don't work, there's no shops of any sort that I can see, only one way in and out, and mud everywhere.

I'm just glad I didn't pay the £200k for a tiny house they were asking there.
 

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Can anyone tell me where The Adelaide is/was please? the building looks really familiar. The photo below is from same Flikr stream and is dated 1985.

The Adelaide pub had two entrances, the one shown was on Newgate St, just up from the junction with Clayton St. The other entrance was on Clayton St next to "The Clock" -Duke of Northumberland PH.

Fab, thank you Graham. That would make the building on the right, what is now "Cafe Nero" and the pub and everything to the left is now gone and part of Eldon Square.


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HISTORICAL PUBS of the PAST . . .

These photos of 150 Scottish & Newcastle Inns (from the late 70s/early 80s) have already been shown on the Newcastle Pubs thread, but I know that many people who visit THIS thread on Historic Newcastle do not necessarily ever visit the Pubs one!

So, I though they could be repeated on here, for those who have not seen them before.

In short, in the 1970s and 1980s Scottish & Newcastle Inns used to fix labels, showing photos of all their pubs, to each and every "box of matches" that they sold in their pubs.

Does anyone remember them?

A friend of mine was an 'Area Manager' (or something!) for S&N in those days, and he (knowing of my habit for collecting such things on Newcastle) gave me this full "proof set" of all 150 pub matchbox labels!

I am sure they are quite rare, so here is a trip down memory lane, followed by a few bits of Newcastle Brown Ale memorabilia, also . . .


Scottish & Newcastle Inns.
Matchbox Labels, Sheet 1.




01 – BEEHIVE
Mile End Road, South Shields.

02 – SCROGG INN
125 Scrogg Road, Walker, Newcastle, NE6.

03 – BEACON
Beacon Lough, Gateshead.

04 – ROSE & CROWN
491/493 Prince Edward Road, South Shields.

05 – BROADWAY
Broadway, North Shields.

06 – FALCON
Hilda Park Estate, Chester le Street.

07 – GREY HEN
141 Temple Park Road, South Shields.

08 – BLACK SWAN
Shields Road, Morpeth.

09 – HAMILTON RUSSELL ARMS
Thorpe Thewles, Stockton.

10 – SEVEN STARS
27 High Street, Wrekenton.

11 – JOHN GILPIN
Burnside, West Denton, Newcastle, NE5.

12 – FOUNTAIN
116 Highfield Road, South Shields.

13 – KELLY
Hedgeley Road, Hebburn.

14 – ROBIN HOOD
Murton Village, Newcastle NE27.

15 – BEDLINGTON TERRIER
Stead Lane, Bedlington.

16 – SOUTHERN CROSS
Dixons Bank, Marton in Cleveland, Middlesbrough.

17 – DUKE OF EDINBURGH
6 Moor Street, Newcastle, NE4.

18 – HONEST BOY
Blackfell Village Centre, Blackfell, Washington.

19 – JOHNNY MILLER
774 Durham Road, Low Fell.

20 – DOCTOR SYNTAX
New Ridley, Stocksfield.

21 – THREE MILE INN
Great North Road, Gosforth, Newcastle NE3.

22 – GREY HORSE
Mill Lane, Whitburn, Sunderland.

23 – CAULD LAD
Caithness Road, Hylton Castle Estate, Sunderland.

24 – THE SHIP
147 Sunderland Road, Harton, South Shields.

25 – COLLINGWOOD ARMS
2 Front Street, Chirton, North Shields.


Scottish & Newcastle Inns.
Matchbox Labels, Sheet 2.




26 – CORNER HOUSE
Heaton Road, Heaton, Newcastle, NE6.

27 – TURBINIA
Fossway, Walker, Newcastle, NE6.

28 – MUSKETEER
Great Lime Road, Forest Hall, Newcastle, NE12.

29 – KINGS ARMS
Seaton Sluice, Tyne & Wear.

30 – COUNTY HOTEL
Aycliffe, Darlington.

31 – FARMERS REST
Haymarket, Newcastle, NE1.

32 – WAVENDON
Wavendon Crescent, Sunderland.

33 – THE CLIFF
Mere Knolls Road, Sunderland.

34 – SEA HORSE
Plessey Road, Blyth.

35 – RED LION
Plawsworth, Chester le Street.

36 – HONEYSUCKLE
92 Coatsworth Road, Gateshead.

37 – BAY HORSE
Front Street, Whickham.

38 – BARLEY MOW
East Street, Gateshead.

39 – BALLOON
Silver Lonnen, Fenham, Newcastle, NE5.

40 – NEW CROWN HOTEL
Mowbray Road, South Shields.

41 – FOX & HOUNDS
West Road, Newcastle, NE5.

42 – MARINERS
Mortimer Road, South Shields.

43 – HUNTSMAN
Loup Farm, Blaydon Bank, Tyne & Wear.

44 – CAVALIER
Silksworth Close, Sunderland.

45 – SHERATON
Hardwick Road, Stockton.

46 – MARINE
230/232 Ocean Road, South Shields.

47 – RAILWAY TAVERN
Station Road, Cramlington.

48 – BRIGANTINE
Ferry Street, South Shields.

49 – NORWOOD
Malvern Gardens, Lobley Hill, Gateshead.

50 – ASTRONAUT
Town Centre, West Precinct, Billingham.


Scottish & Newcastle Inns.
Matchbox Labels, Sheet 3.




51 – PORTLAND ARMS
Station Road, Ashington.

52 – ASHBROOKE
Stannington Grove, Sunderland.

53 – STATION HOTEL
42 Mile End Road, South Shields

54 – SPITAL HOUSE
Spital Tongues, Newcastle, NE2.

55 – HEARTS OF OAK
Medway Close, Peterlee.

56 – GREY HORSE
Bertram Place, Shiremoor.

57 – MOORCOCK
Burnhope Way, Peterlee.

58 – LORD GORT
Gort Place, Durham.

59 – NINEPINS
Saltwell Road, Low Fell.

60 – SIR COLIN CAMPBELL
3 Sackville Street West, North Shields.

61 – COBLE INN
7 Bridge Street, Newbiggin.

62 – RED DUSTER
Whiteleas Estate, South Shields.

63 – WATERMILL
Rectory Road East, Felling.

64 – HARROGATE HOUSE
27 Gosforth Street, Newcastle, NE2.

65 – ROYALTY
88 Chester Road, Sunderland.

66 – NORMAN CONQUEST
Flatts Lane, Eston, Middlesbrough.

67 – BLACK BULL
Lingey Lane, Wardley.

68 – BOLDON LAD
Hedworth Lane, Jarrow.

69 – FUSILIER
Clydesdale Avenue, Forest Hall, Newcastle, NE12.

70 – BEEHIVE
1 Holmside, Sunderland.

71 – OLDE CROSS
Narrowgate, Alnwick.

72 – WHITE HOUSE
83 Hendon Road, Sunderland.

73 – GRANGE FOUNDRY
Kepier Crescent, Gilesgate Moor, Co. Durham.

74 – WOODMANS ARMS
Whickham Park, Whickham.

75 – KINGS HEAD
Station Road, Lanchester, Co. Durham.


Scottish & Newcastle Inns.
Matchbox Labels, Sheet 4.





76 – DORSET ARMS
Dorset Avenue, Wallsend.

77 – ROSE & CROWN
North Street, Winlaton.

78 – SATELLITE
Henderson Road, South Shields.

79 – UPPER DECK
33 Walworth Way, Sunderland.

80 – COLLINGWOOD ARMS
Brandling Village, Jesmond, Newcastle, NE2.

81 – MAURETANIA
Denbigh Avenue, High Howden, Wallsend.

82 – THE DOCK
Tyne Dock, South Shields.

83 – MARKET TAVERN
27 Market Place, Durham City.

84 – MARSDEN INN
Redwell Lane, South Shields.

85 – THE NELSON
Church Walk, Walker, Newcastle, NE6.

86 – MASONS ARMS
Dinnington, Newcastle, NE13.

87 – THREE FEATHERS
Easdale Gardens, Lyndhurst Estate, Low Fell.

88 – CENTURION
The Causeway, Throckley, Newcastle, NE15.

89 – ROYAL ARCHER
Archbold Terrace, Jesmond, Newcastle, NE2.

90 – CHIEFTAN
Cruddas Park, Newcastle, NE4.

91 – HOTSPUR
103 Percy Street, Newcastle, NE1.

92 – GEORGE & DRAGON
Old Eldon Square & Bus Concourse, Newcastle, NE1.

93 – ADELPHI
20 Shakespeare Street, Newcastle, NE1.

94 – THE GLOUCESTER
High Street West, Gateshead.

95 – OTTURBURN TOWER HOTEL
Otterburn, Northumberland.

96 – NORTHUMBERLAND ARMS
Prudhoe Chare, Eldon Square, Newcastle, NE1.

97 – COXLODGE
317 Kenton Road, Kenton, Newcastle, NE3.

98 – THE PORTLAND
60 New Bridge Street, Newcastle, NE1.

99 – CITY TAVERN
Northumberland Road, Newcastle, NE1.

100 – COFFY JOHNNY
11 Groat Market, Newcastle, NE1.


Scottish & Newcastle Inns.
Matchbox Labels, Sheet 5.




101 – BOARD INN
Stella, Blaydon, Tyne & Wear.

102 – JOLLY FARMERS
Thornaby Road, Thornaby, Stockton on Tees.

103 – NORTH STAR
Charnwood Avenue, Longbenton, Newcastle, NE12.

104 – PACK HORSE
Crookgate, Burnopfield.

105 – WHEATSHEAF HOTEL
Callerton Lane Ends, Woolsington, Newcastle, NE13.

106 – YORKSHIRE DRAGOON
High Lane, Maltby in Cleveland.

107 – FOX INN
10 Bow Street, Guisborough.

108 – NEW TAVERN
Springfield, Stokesley.

109 – PLOUGH
369 Old Durham Road, Deckham, Gateshead.

110 – SWAN
Heddon on the Wall, Newcastle, NE15.

111 – LOCHSIDE
Red Hall Drive, Benton, Newcastle, NE7.

112 – CLEVELAND BAY
Ings Road, Redcar.

113 – RYTON HOTEL
Ryton, Tyne & Wear.

114 – EAGLE
Glynfillis, Leam Lane Estate, Felling.

115 – DUKE OF WELLINGTON
Kenton Lane, Kenton, Newcastle, NE3.

116 – HARDWICK ARMS
North End, Sedgefield.

117 – NEW MILL
Chesterton Road, South Shields.

118 – IMPERIAL VAULTS
1 Lambton Street, Sunderland.

119 – LAMBTON ARMS
Front Street, Chester Le Street.

120 – JUBILEE
Jubilee Road, Gosforth, Newcastle, NE3.

121 – HIGHLANDER
Front Street, Swalwell.

122 – FOXHUNTERS
Prestongate, North Shields.

123 – BORDER TERRIER
Hartington Road, Marden Estate, North Shields.

124 – PRINCE OF WALES
Calf Close Lane, Jarrow.

125 – THE BULL
Chillingham Terrace, Jarrow.


Scottish & Newcastle Inns.
Matchbox Labels, Sheet 6.




126 – GENERAL HAVELOCK
Chapter Row, South Shields.

127 – WHEATSHEAF
254 Yarm Road, Darlington.

128 – GEORGE 1V
92 High St, Eston, Middlesbrough.

129 – MERLIN
Marsh House Avenue, Billingham.

130 – NOOK
Sunderland Road, Harton, South Shields.

131 – GUNNER
Trevor Place, North Shields.

132 – RAVENSWORTH ARMS
Lamesley, Gateshead.

133 – TELSTAR
Marsh Avenue, Low Grange Estate, Billingham.

134 – MILL TAVERN
Mill Lane, Hebburn.

135 – NORTHUMBERLAND HUSSAR
Sackville Road, Heaton, Newcastle, NE6.

136 – SPRING GARDENS
Spence Terrace, North Shields.

137 – SALUTATION
5 West Road, Billingham.

138 – SHIP INN
High St, Marske by the sea, Redcar.

139 – SPREAD EAGLE
Preston, North Shields.

140 – SHAKESPEARE
Split Crow Road, Gateshead.

141 – NAUTILUS
Verne Road, North Shields.

142 – BLACK DIAMOND
Delves Lane, Consett.

143 – RED HOUSE
Brierley Road, Cowpen, Blyth.

144 – RABY HOTEL
192 Shields Road, Byker, Newcastle, NE6.

145 – VICTORIA GARDENS
Ryhope Road, Sunderland.

146 – THE AVENUE
Park Avenue, Whitley Bay.

147 – QUEENS HEAD
Guidepost, Choppington.

148 – BEAUMONT
Park Lane, Shiremoor.

149 – CROSS KEYS
Upsall, Guisborough, Cleveland.

150 – BUGLE
Meresyde, Leam Lane Estate, Felling.


SO, THATS IT - ALL 150 OF THEM!!

Did anyone find a "long lost" LOCAL PUB, amongst them?


NOW . . .

Here is a little bit of information about the history of (at least, up until 1983 when it was written) the "Scottish & Newcastle Inns" public houses, featured in the above 150 photos . . .






AND FINALLY . . .

Here are a few bits of historical information, that you may not know, about the 'one and only' NEWCASTLE BROWN ALE . . .





 

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Wow! Amazing how cheap beer was back then but the prices hadn`t changed much when i started drinking in 1974.Oh, and N/cle Starbrite beer, what a heap of shite that was, along with Tartan Bitter. I was partial to the 80/- myself, now that was a decent pint.
A barrel ( 36 gallon/288 pts) of 80/- for less than £27.
 

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^^ I remember when I was 18 a few mates and me had a plan to get a barrell of beer as someone had an old tap lying around. Needless to say when we found out it was about 250 pints... we thought better of it.
 

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What was the church with the spire shown on the lower photo, NH?

It was the 'Central Methodist Church' on Northumberland Road (Left hand side heading away from Northumberland Street) it has been replaced by the brick office block that is in between Tilley's/City Tavern/Stepps/Huxters/City Tavern again/Shamrox/LYH/whatever it is called this week, and Pacific Bar Cafe.

Here is a photo of it . .




and an earlier photo showing the spire. This one is earlier than even when "whatever it is called this week" was called the City Tavern!!
 

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I have another old-Jesmond question. Can anyone on here help, please?

I believe there was a small pub or inn along Jesmond Dene Road which has now long gone. I'll guess it was probably operating 1850-1910. But I've forgotten its name and exactly where it was.

It was on a road just off Jes Dene Rd, it faced north, was constructed as a single storey, pitched roof cottage with central doorway, whitewashed with the name on the east-facing gable end. The side road might have been the stub end of Reid Park Road (which leads to the footpath to St Mary's Well the Manor House and becomes The Grove), or it may have been near (the long demolished) Stote's Hall and the entrance into Collingwood Terrace.

I recall a picture of this pub in one of the series of "Bygone" brochures published by City Libraries which I've mislaid and which isn't in the current series. I don't know if that was from an old photograph, drawing or painting.
And I have a hunch that the word "rose" or "bird" appeared in its name.

Anyone know what it was called, what years it traded and where it was, please? Its been irritating me for some time that I've forgotten the detail.
 

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I think this is the place you are looking for.

I used to live nearby, and I remember passing that stone wall at the bottom of Reid Park Road, daily, on my way across the Dene to Manor Park School.


From - Bygone Jesmond, 1987 edition.
 

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I think this is the place you are looking for. I used to live nearby, and I remember passing that stone wall at the bottom of Reid Park Road, daily, on my way across the Dene to Manor Park School.


From - Bygone Jesmond, 1987 edition.

IT IS ! !
Thank you! The "Apple Tree Inn", yes, that's exactly what I wanted to know, and exactly the image I remember having seen. Much appreciated!

That WALL is indeed still there. Photo taken 27th May 2010 . .


The wall, from exactly the same angle, is much more overgrown, but its 'shape' can still be seen. The pillars and gates are still there, just to the right of my photo. I thought they were 'in shot' actually!!
 

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Can anyone remember what this bar (now Sinners) was called before it was called Lennon's?

I have found out a bit more about this place (63 Newgate Street) . . .


1 - In the 1800s (!) it was called The Victoria Hotel.

2 - It was rebuilt in the 1920s, but was still called The Victoria.

3 - It closed (as the Victoria) in 1960 and became a carpet shop!

4 - It was re-opened as a pub in 1977, when 'John Smiths' opened it as The Canny Lad.

5 - In the late 1980s, it briefly became called Mr Smiths.

6 - In the early 1990s it became Lennon's.

7 - It is now (as we know) Sinners.
 

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A few more annoying gaps and abandoned buildings for you (apologies in advance if they've been discussed before).

Corner of Blenheim Street & Westgate Road (Used to be site of a pub)

Anyone have any ideas what used to be there and what, if any, are the plans for them?
I've just come across this old pic of the Carlisle pub in that location, from a W.R.Harle
 
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