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Can you please draw your suggested route on the map, which doesn't involve a bunch of "Kallar Kahars"?

Not many trucks take the Kallar Kahar path. Even travelling on GT road, you can notice the plight of loaded trucks when climbing hills near Domelli / Sohawa.

In my opinion, this is the best possible route they've selected. Easier & faster to build, maintain and connected with airport, capital and KPK. And no steep mountains (Analyzed it on google maps, maximum altitude along this path is around 420m, while the existing Peshawar -DI khan highway (which seems the most optimized route in this part, btw) passes through steep mountains with altitudes in 850+ range)

First target should be to make Gawadar operational and let the shipments rolling. And DI Khan-Peshawar highway may be expanded if traffic load increases (No loaded truck will use it for sure, considering another Kallar Kahar near Darra Adam Khel area

Excellent work dear.
This is what the people dont understand (or dont try to understand). Usually people consider roads to be built in straight lines drawn with rulers, but in actual it is not this much simple.

Almost similar is the case of western route vs eastern route comparison. one passes mostly through plains areas, other one is mostly hilly and undulating land.
 

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So you should deprive the area of thier right just because there are some mountains and you'll have to do some work. The mountains you showed in picture arent really big problem anyway...scattered small hills not a big challenge.
But anything can be used as an excuse...could even say kids are very naughty in that area.
 

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Why are some areas backward in Pakistan?
Because those areas had two problems...1-difficult terrain 2-Lack of population concentration ( low population per square mile)

These two problems created two problems...1-bad road connectivity 2-Low revenue (from national share as for 64 years it was based on population and ignored the Size and Need factors)

Then these two problems created a whole bunch of problems...such as no investment on education, health and infrasture.
Then that created...illitracy...poverty...poor health...lack of basic facilities of food and water....
Then that created...hatred for the source...then militancy etc...

So how to reverse it back....tackle the all problems at the same time...starting from "connectivity".
Terrain caused problems....so now dont use the same "difficult terrain" and "low population" as an excuse to escape...
Face it and put an extra effort into it.
 

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^^ You need to calm down. The rest of the western alignment will pass through KP and Balochistan. It is only the tip that is going into Punjab.
 

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Can you please draw your suggested route on the map, which doesn't involve a bunch of "Kallar Kahars"?

Not many trucks take the Kallar Kahar path. Even travelling on GT road, you can notice the plight of loaded trucks when climbing hills near Domelli / Sohawa.
I am not good at making maps but can give you a general idea...Using the image below, from Ghorghusti (Ghazi interchange or slightly after that)--near Nowshera and then along the western side of the indus till Lakki Marwat. It can join the Indus highway there.

Besides, these trucks will have to climb all the way to SOST and even Khunjerab. So one mini Kallar Kahar should not be an issue.



If I recall correctly, there was supposed to be 3 links...eastern, central, and western....and the western route was from (near) peshawar to DI khan. Perhaps upgrade the Indus highway to Motorway?

^^ How long is the western alignment and how much of it will be in Punjab?
Of the 285km Hakla - DI Khan motorway, around 220 - 225 km are in Punjab and only 60-65km in KP.
 

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I'm just happy just happy for the project and by the way last time I checked Hazara was the part of the KPK. Current plan seems logical and may be later there can be a link road to connect wherever...it doesn't have to pass in front of each and every house in PK.
 

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Of the 285km Hakla - DI Khan motorway, around 220 - 225 km are in Punjab and only 60-65km in KP.
What I mean is that the Hakla DI Khan motorway is just the initial part of the western alignment. There will be more motorways coming that will stretch all the way down to Gwadar. We're easily talking at least 1500 km, if not more. So in the big picture only a small fraction of it is in Punjab. Vast majority will be in KP and Balochistan.
 

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Why are some areas backward in Pakistan?
Because those areas had two problems...1-difficult terrain 2-Lack of population concentration ( low population per square mile)

These two problems created two problems...1-bad road connectivity 2-Low revenue (from national share as for 64 years it was based on population and ignored the Size and Need factors)

Then these two problems created a whole bunch of problems...such as no investment on education, health and infrasture.
Then that created...illitracy...poverty...poor health...lack of basic facilities of food and water....
Then that created...hatred for the source...then militancy etc...

So how to reverse it back....tackle the all problems at the same time...starting from "connectivity".
Terrain caused problems....so now dont use the same "difficult terrain" and "low population" as an excuse to escape...
Face it and put an extra effort into it.
this problem isn't exclusive to Pakistan. While I'm sympathetic to Baloch cause, I do think that you gotta stop pretending that you are special and your problems are unique. There are examples throughout the world and we don't have to look far. Just look at our eastern neighbor.

Anyway's after the rant, the western route should really have passed through Kohat at least. (though i dont think any of this route thing will matter in the long run but thats a debate for another day)
 

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Route should pass near to Mianwali City

Mianwali city is located in almost center of country. If this route pass through Minawali, it will connect Muzafargarh, Layyah,Bakkar to this route... But from these Maps, it seems Interchange will be atlease 40 to 50 km away from Mianwali City.. it should be near to Mianwali city.. Members may please comment
 

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Before Fazalullah Rahman motorway which I think he blackmailed N league for. National highway N-55 running through KPK was supposed to be part of west CPEC. Some people need to see highway map of Pakistan. It's not like no roads were build before "CPEC".

This new western CPEC route is shorter then former western route.

Now western route with DI Khan-Hakla motorway will be 2494km. I can't post link here but google Pakistan CPEC map and new updated NHA Interactive Map.
 

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Mianwali city is located in almost center of country. If this route pass through Minawali, it will connect Muzafargarh, Layyah,Bakkar to this route... But from these Maps, it seems Interchange will be atlease 40 to 50 km away from Mianwali City.. it should be near to Mianwali city.. Members may please comment
If you check full CPEC plan on NHA interactive map you will notice that next phase Central corridor of CPEC will passing jsut 8km east of Minawali city.
 
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Mian saheb firmly believes that the P in CPEC stands for Punjab, not Pakistan

Interesting to note that under CPEC, all motorways are well within Punjab.

The Multan-Sukkur segment runs from Multan well within Punjab except for the last 10 miles from Punjab's border to Sukkur in Sindh.

The Burhan-Hakla to DI Khan motorway runs for 95% of its length well within Punjab, connecting Kalabagh / Sargodha and such towns to Islamabad. Only about 25 km of the motorway is inside KP going to DIK.

The Havelian-China border motorway/expressway had to "unfortunately" go through part of KP and part in GB -- an inconvenience, in order to connect Punjab to China.

In fact, all motorways from M-1 to M-14 that are operational or under-construction, are in Punjab, except the ones that have been existing for decades (such as M-9, Karachi Hyderabad). There are 3 that are "planned" for non-Punjab areas, and they shall remain "planned" as long as Mian saheb is control.

This situation is nothing to be proud of. In Mian's 2nd term, HK investor Wang, who had spent $150 million of his own money on infrastructure for the $5 billion Thar coal project, left Pakistan when Mian saheb insisted that Wang rail Thar coal to Multan and builed coal power plants in Pjunab. On exiting at Karachi airport, Wang told reporters: "Pakistan has a great future if its government begins thinking outside of Punjab." Despite Musharraf's repeated ateempts to woo him back, Wang never returned. So Mian saheb is now getting South African coal to Sahiwal --- go figure.
 

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Interesting to note that under CPEC, all motorways are well within Punjab.

The Multan-Sukkur segment runs from Multan well within Punjab except for the last 10 miles from Punjab's border to Sukkur in Sindh.

The Burhan-Hakla to DI Khan motorway runs for 95% of its length well within Punjab, connecting Kalabagh / Sargodha and such towns to Islamabad. Only about 25 km of the motorway is inside KP going to DIK.

The Havelian-China border motorway/expressway had to "unfortunately" go through part of KP and part in GB -- an inconvenience, in order to connect Punjab to China.

In fact, all motorways from M-1 to M-14 that are operational or under-construction, are in Punjab, except the ones that have been existing for decades (such as M-9, Karachi Hyderabad). There are 3 that are "planned" for non-Punjab areas, and they shall remain "planned" as long as Mian saheb is control.

This situation is nothing to be proud of. In Mian's 2nd term, HK investor Wang, who had spent $150 million of his own money on infrastructure for the $5 billion Thar coal project, left Pakistan when Mian saheb insisted that Wang rail Thar coal to Multan and builed coal power plants in Pjunab. On exiting at Karachi airport, Wang told reporters: "Pakistan has a great future if its government begins thinking outside of Punjab." Despite Musharraf's repeated ateempts to woo him back, Wang never returned. So Mian saheb is now getting South African coal to Sahiwal --- go figure.
Yes, you're right. Had it not been for the Mian Saheb Pak would have been what China is today? Right?
 

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Pakistan needs massive projects and huge vision and unfortunately only PMLN has been able to deliver on this front. Plans to link Peshawar with Karachi had existed for decades and well before CPEC. The motorway M1 starts at Peshawar and M2,M3, M4 etc head southwards.

The plan to reach Gwadar was through M8 from Sindh. Now additional motorways are being built but people are still finding excuses to moan and blaming PMLN and Punjab which is unjustified and shows the petty mentality of Pakistanis. Unfortunately there are not enough resources and it is logical that 60% of the population of Pakistan living in Punjab, including most of the major cities of Pakistan like Rawalpindi, Gujranwala, Lahore, Faisalabad and Multan would and should benefit from motorways first. Only city of significance in KP is Peshawar and in Baluchistan it is Quetta and in Sindh it is Karachi and Hyderabad which are already connected by motorway.
 

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^^ Motorways are not built just to connect cities in dense areas, but also to connect cities over long distances. Karachi/Hyderabad are not connected to the rest of the country via motorways and same for Quetta. Although Hyderabad-Sukkur motorway will start next year, I am still not sure why that motorway was not started before Hakla-DI motorway. Hyderabad-Sukkur should be higher priority since that would complete the eastern alignment of CPEC and is located in much easier terrain.
 

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As I mentioned earlier it makes more sense to connect populated areas first via motorway. There is little point in running motorway through countryside and just to connect 2 cities hundreds of miles apart, although new cities may crop up in between in the future. The eastern alignment as you called it already has work going on the Faisalabad-Multan section and the Multan-Sukker section, Hyderabad-Karachi section is also being upgraded. Opponents of CPEC are making noises about western parts being neglected and all money being spent on eastern alignment, so there is no harm in starting work on western alignment or central alignment to try to keep people happy although not many people will benefit from it, but it is a political decision. Sukker to Hyderabad section runs through Sindh and the Sindh PPP government needs to facilitate the land acquisition for the project running through land of their feudal landlords.
 

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Google Earth Progress Update ( October 12 )

A 26 Km Section Updated in Potohar Region and a 51KM Stretch Updated in between Tarik and Mianwali. Land is cleared and ready for Rolling. Judging from this I think we can assume all land for the entire Motorway has been cleared by Now.










 
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