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QE2 to sail for Cape Town, Nakheel confirms




Nakheel confirmed on Monday that the historic QE2 cruise liner, which Dubai bought for $100 million in 2007 and planned to use as a floating hotel off the Palm Jumeirah man-made island, will sail to Cape Town in major U-turn in the plans for the ship.

“After months of feasibility studies, it is clear that Cape Town, with ready-made berthing facilities, provides the best opportunity for us to open QE2 to visitors as quickly as possible,” Manfred Ursprunger, chief executive officer of QE2 Enterprises at Nakheel Hotels, said in a statement released to Maktoob Business.

The Queen Elizabeth 2 has been linked with a temporary berth in Cape Town harbour for weeks after Nakheel, part of state-owned conglomerate Dubai World, said it was considering berthing the iconic cruise liner outside Dubai.




South African media reported Nakheel had approached tourism authorities to berth the QE2 at Cape Town's V&A Waterfront, also owned by Dubai World.

Nakheel said it will provide details about the ship’s sailing to Cape Town after it has finalised the plan with the concerned authorities in South Africa.

“Cape Town will provide an exciting environment to experience the legendary QE2 over the next 18 months alongside the rich culture of South Africa and the incredible array of activities, entertainments and excursions available there,” Ursprunger said.

Nakheel said the forthcoming 2010 FIFA World Cup “makes a sensible business case” for moving the ship there.

Any deal still needs the approval of South Africa’s National Ports Authority and Transnet, the country’s major ports company.

Nakheel had planned to turn the QE2 into a floating hotel, but has been left untouched at Port Rashid since its arrival last November.

Berthing the QE2 in Cape Town for the World Cup could generate some much needed cash for Nakheel, which has been hit hard by the collapse of Dubai’s real estate market.



The company itself has put some of its projects, including the Trump Tower, on hold and has retrenched hundreds of staff amid a slump in property sales.

The company is at the centre of growing concerns over the emirate's ability to repay billions of dollars in debt and is entangled in a growing number of disputes over unpaid bills to foreign contractors.

The maturity of a $3.5 billion bond in December, and how to refinance it, is also weighing heavily on the minds of analysts rating Dubai's government-owned companies.

One of the world’s most famous ships, the QE2 had crossed the Atlantic more than 800 times in its 40 years of service and carried more than 2.5 million passengers before arriving in Dubai.
 

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I hope Cape town doesn't get to cold cuz there might be an iceberg in the ocean..And we could be looking at another titanic..
 

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LOL good one Reggae! This is good news for CT, but I cant see it being permanent, but then again with them being broke could they afford to move it around? but one things for sure they'll generate shit loads from the guests!
 

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Why are they so convinced CT has what it takes to fill rooms? Ok there is 2010, but otherwise?

Suppose delegates can walk from the ship to the final draw.
 

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^^Thats my point, CT will serve as an ideal location for the vessel, but as it stands many of the 5* hotels arnt full up through out the year, and we have no idea what the rates will be like. Sure enough an opportunity to stay on the QE2 will have people excited but if the price for a small cramped up suit is the same for a massive room in One & Only then which one would you chose???
 

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^^Thats my point, CT will serve as an ideal location for the vessel, but as it stands many of the 5* hotels arnt full up through out the year, and we have no idea what the rates will be like. Sure enough an opportunity to stay on the QE2 will have people excited but if the price for a small cramped up suit is the same for a massive room in One & Only then which one would you chose???
I think for the final draw and April-June it will be needed and get decent demand. LOTS of people want to based in CT, and MANY broadcasters are fighting for broadcast space.

Given our decent winter this year, it will be spectacular.

The top floors of Customs house should really cleaned up and be sold as studio/broadcast space. views of city, table mountain, stadium and waterfront..what more do they want?
 

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QE2 finds home in city By Murray Williams



The world's most celebrated passenger liner, the Queen Elizabeth 2, is expected in Cape Town, its new home for 18 months as a floating hotel for the 2010 World Cup.

After weeks of speculation, the vessel's Dubai-based owners said that, after extensive negotiations with South Africa's national Tourism Department, it is confident that the QE2 will steam into Table Bay and berth in Cape Town harbour in the next two months, and will remain here until at least December 2010.

The vessel was built in Clydebank, Scotland, and was launched and named on September 20, 1967, by Queen Elizabeth II, using the same pair of gold scissors her mother and grandmother had used to launch the Queen Elizabeth and Queen Mary, respectively. By the time the ship was retired in November, after 40 years of service for Cunard, the QE2 had sailed more than six million nautical miles, carried 2.5 million passengers and completed 806 trans-Atlantic crossings.

The vessel's last voyage was from Southhampton, England, on November 11 to Dubai, the home of its new owners.

Nakheel Hotels, part of Dubai World, bought the vessel in 2007 for $100-million (R790-million).

The state-owned tourism conglomerate planned to gut the vessel and transform it into a seven-star hotel and attraction at its man-made Palm Jumeirah island.

But the refurbishment has not yet begun, reportedly because of the global recession, prompting investigation into other possible uses.

Manfred Ursprunger, chief executive officer of QE2 Enterprises, said from Dubai yesterday: "Nakheel is delighted to receive the support of the South African Ministry for Environment and Tourism for hosting QE2 in Cape Town, South Africa.

In response to QE2 fans the world over, it has been our intention for some time to provide a short-term opportunity to enjoy QE2 as a stationary hotel in her current condition before refurbishment begins.

"After months of feasibility studies, it is clear that Cape Town, with its ready-made berthing facilities, provides the best opportunity for us to open QE2 to visitors as quickly as possible. In addition, the forthcoming 2010 Football World Cup makes a sensible business case for moving her there."

It is not known precisely where the 70 327 ton, 294m-long vessel will be berthed.

Part of the reason for its journey to Cape Town is Dubai World's ownership of the V&A Waterfront, but its size will require it to be berthed in Cape Town's main harbour area.

Ronel Bester, the national Tour-ism Department's spokeswoman, said Marthinus van Schalkwyk's ministry had given the plan its blessing.

"The Department of Tourism has decided, based on the inputs it received and from a tourism point of view, not to oppose the application for the berthing of the QE2 in Cape Town.

"We are aware that the Transnet Board and the National Ports Authority will make a final determination regarding the viability of the berthing of the QE2.

"In the light of (this), we believe the Transnet Board and the Nation-al Ports Authority should take a decision based on their respective legal requirements and practical considerations, as well as those of other relevant departments and agencies," Bester said.

A ports authority spokesman said a decision had not yet been taken.
 

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While it is exciting news, i really worry about things like this. To fill 1778 beds every nite will b impossible except at the peak world cup period. That is a massive massive amount of extra beds to throw into a city which already has far too much 5 star accommodation, with even more being built. This is most definately going to lead to a few casualties and downgrades. This much 5 star accommodation is not sustainable
 

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While it is exciting news, i really worry about things like this. To fill 1778 beds every nite will b impossible except at the peak world cup period. That is a massive massive amount of extra beds to throw into a city which already has far too much 5 star accommodation, with even more being built. This is most definately going to lead to a few casualties and downgrades. This much 5 star accommodation is not sustainable
Fortunately its temporary, ideal as a 2010 location in terms of stadium access etc. BUT the can only expect decent demand over certain periods.
 

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Just got off the phone with my CT source, he said this isn't official yet and the guys are pretty cheesed off with Nakheel making it public.(actually he didn't know about this until I sent it to him) Yes the waterfront is owned by them but NPA have the final say and Nakheel are hoping for some political backing for this venture. Bottom line he said is that CT has no space for a permanent docking for her.
 

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Just got off the phone with my CT source, he said this isn't official yet and the guys are pretty cheesed off with Nakheel making it public.(actually he didn't know about this until I sent it to him) Yes the waterfront is owned by them but NPA have the final say and Nakheel are hoping for some political backing for this venture. Bottom line he said is that CT has no space for a permanent docking for her.
this is true. its part of the package of information and requirements the port people want because the harbour is not the V&A but I think Nakheel wanted to be accommodated as if they owned the harbour too.

Its unrealistic to say CT has no space for a temporary docking of 18 months.
I think QE2 and other cruise ships will be vital to get the support needed for cruise ship terminals in CT, DBN and PE.
 

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It most certainly wont b 2 or 3 star prices... That said, it is true that the npa will need some serious tempting to agree to this as they will lose an entire berth for 18 months. Thats not a good thing when they may need it for other purposes. Also, where will b decent enough for it to b for people to want to go to it, no one wants to trek through the full on port area. And finally, with the stringent new port security measures in place, how will this not compromise these? many many questions still to b answered
 

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It most certainly wont b 2 or 3 star prices... That said, it is true that the npa will need some serious tempting to agree to this as they will lose an entire berth for 18 months. Thats not a good thing when they may need it for other purposes. Also, where will b decent enough for it to b for people to want to go to it, no one wants to trek through the full on port area. And finally, with the stringent new port security measures in place, how will this not compromise these? many many questions still to b answered
will prob be impossible to get the nakheel response to the ports authority's requirements and requests but i can ask around. apart from "demand" for rooms transnet want a whole bunch of things answered to limit any liability or costs
 

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this is true. its part of the package of information and requirements the port people want because the harbour is not the V&A but I think Nakheel wanted to be accommodated as if they owned the harbour too.

Its unrealistic to say CT has no space for a temporary docking of 18 months.
I think QE2 and other cruise ships will be vital to get the support needed for cruise ship terminals in CT, DBN and PE.
With NPA's plans for PE's harbour to be a main containter depot, alot of smaller ships will be visiting CT more, so I think that berth could become valuble to them. If Nakheel had some spare change they could have built something temp for the QE2 near the waterfront side.

As for my contact, he said his awaiting instructions as they dont have the final say. Big chiefs from NPA are awaiting an approach from Dubai World/ Nakheel because as I said, they were not contacted on the matter yet its making the press. Zille might also be brought into this & I dont think shes in favour but ANC are, & as we know they got nothing to do with the WC. So it seems the Dubai guys were brown nosing the wrong party :lol:
 

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With NPA's plans for PE's harbour to be a main containter depot, alot of smaller ships will be visiting CT more, so I think that berth could become valuble to them. If Nakheel had some spare change they could have built something temp for the QE2 near the waterfront side.

As for my contact, he said his awaiting instructions as they dont have the final say. Big chiefs from NPA are awaiting an approach from Dubai World/ Nakheel because as I said, they were not contacted on the matter yet its making the press. Zille might also be brought into this & I dont think shes in favour but ANC are, & as we know they got nothing to do with the WC. So it seems the Dubai guys were brown nosing the wrong party :lol:
Well the NPA want temp facilities from QE2. You cant put snobs on a boat and have them running around customs house.

Zille favours cruise ships hence the cruise ship terminal study and team.
 

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And to think in the beginning there was a very hard lobby to get the ship to be docked in Port Elizabeth and it would have happened if it wasn't for our friends at Transnet. Just like they have sunk earlier ideas for a waterfront in PE, a possible stop over for the Volvo Ocean Race and a casino and hotel / retail complex on the harbour just a month or so ago.
 
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