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However, I think they have some very interesting potential, that could respect their heritage value and also provide a great long-term solution for the wharf.
What heritage value to they have, they are hardly unique, just two not so very old storage sheds. I don't believe in the keep it beause its old mantra.
 

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Well if anyone can find other similar sheds in Auckland I'd be interested in knowing about them!

The sheds aren't actually that old (built since 1900) so I think a lot of their heritage value is in how they've contributed to Auckland's history, and also some interesting technical history in how they're early uses of their materials, design and so forth. I know that Queens Wharf itself is a very early use of ferro concrete.
 
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Melbourne, once again, has some great examples but then again they are worth keeping because they have architectural merit ... not some over-sized bach. However, I will keep an open mind and wait for the results of the design competition (the old age homes have already booked the buses - just like at the Te Wero Bridge competition ;) )
 

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I think there is next to nil value in keeping the sheds, at least move them somewhere else. Instead build an architecturally stunning convention centre that will be a tourist attraction in its own right and completely revitalise that part of the waterfront.
 

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Great shots kiwi - I particularly like the first one showing the flow back up to Queen Street. Personally, I would really like to see Queens wharf kept as open as possible, we have very little open space right downtown and it could become a great place just to connect with the harbour. I'd love to see the end of the wharf extended with steps down to the water, so you could step down and interact rather than just look at it. Princess Wharf I find has been overbuilt and I'd like to see the opposite here.

Something missing in Auckland are day and night-markets, and keeping the large shed as an open space for such events and the area around it open could lead to a pretty nice public event space. We used to have something similar at Aotea square before the renovations there.

e.g. in Marrakesh where they have outdoor BBQs and shops every evening.


or day/morning markets

I only show this ancient looking photo because it to is in some kind of 'shed' ;-)

Dunno, I think something low-key could be a nice contrast to all the glass and highrises in the CBD and more locals oriented, Princess wharf has in some respects become more a place for tourists staying at the Hilton.
 

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I think there is next to nil value in keeping the sheds, at least move them somewhere else. Instead build an architecturally stunning convention centre that will be a tourist attraction in its own right and completely revitalise that part of the waterfront.
I reckon a convention centre is better suited somewhere else, they also need plenty of road access to bring equipment in and out and also parking. We should to not have roads onto the wharf. I think we should have something for Aucklanders not just for international visitors.
 

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Queens Wharf Heritage Assessment: http://www.queenswharf.org.nz/competition/docs/heritageassessment.pdf (12 MB PDF)

Part of the introduction:
Following the formation of the Auckland Harbour Board in 1871, improvements to the Auckland waterfront were planned. Queens Wharf was part of a comprehensive plan for the redevelopment of the wharves and waterfront prepared by the Auckland Harbour Board Engineer W.H. Hamer in 1904.

Construction of Queen’s Wharf commenced around 1907 when the ferry jetty was built and was completed in 1913. Five substantial cargo handling and storage sheds and a building for the Wharf Police on the wharf were progressively built between 1909 and 1914. Queens Wharf was one of the earliest reinforced concrete structures built in Auckland, designed to be strong enough to support rail carriages. The design of the wharf and sheds was designed to fully integrate transportation by rail, road and shipping.

The sheds themselves were substantial industrial buildings, designed to support huge loads and to enable efficient handling of cargo. From time to time they have also been used for a range of temporary functions such as exhibition spaces to house the Auckland Agricultural and Pastoral Show, boxing matches and choir performances.

The wharves and harbour edge that make up Auckland’s waterfront represent a pivotal aspect of Auckland’s social, industrial and engineering heritage. The
link between Auckland’s settlement history and technological development is exemplified by the 1904 harbour scheme, of which the sheds on Queens Wharf are two remaining examples. The importance of the waterfront, as a primary factor in the development of Auckland as a city, is an important theme in Auckland’s development history that needs to be reflected in any future development of this area.

The wharf and sheds form part of a group of features on Auckland’s waterfront including the Harbour Board gates and fences, bollards and rail tracks, the Ferry Building, historic buildings in the Britomart precinct and the downtown area, which represent these historic themes.
Some historical pictures:






 

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Hi Everyone, first post for me. Congrats on the great threads.

Some of jarbury's photos of the internal steelwork remind me of the roof of Mercado de San Miguel in Madrid.

some inspiration there perhaps,

from MadridLaCiudad on flickr
 

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Hi Everyone, first post for me. Congrats on the great threads.

Some of jarbury's photos of the internal steelwork remind me of the roof of Mercado de San Miguel in Madrid.
I see your point, but the similarity is extremely limited to just a basic beam shape, and that can be found everywhere. The Mercado de San Miguel has far more detail both on the interior and exterior.

Interior:
Look at the ornate iron work holding up the ceiling beams:




There is no such detail in the Queens Wharf sheds.




We must also consider the exterior. The market in Madrid has quite a detailed historical exterior which was clearly modernized. But the original elements are still there which makes this building so much more special than the Queens Wharf sheds.




There is no such intricate detail on the Queens Wharf Sheds.



And to illustrate the difference from what the Madrid market looked like, here is an old photo. You can see the details are not fake, they are original. This was a beautiful building before renovation and it was simply modernized. The Queens Wharf sheds are ugly buildings. Unlike the market in Madrid, which was carefully architecturally designed for people, this shed is nothing more than a quick shed pulled up for industrial purposes.




I'm a big fan of converting historical industrial buildings and renovating them. We have some splendid examples here in Europe. But you need a fantastic building to start with. Europe, being at the forefront of the industrial revolution built many magnificent industrial palaces. Some of them are so elaborate and beautiful in design, it is hard to believe they were intended for industrial use. NZ never had this to the same level. All that aside, where a beautiful industrial building exists, by all means, retain it and redevelop it. But a historical structure shouldn't just be kept for the sake of it being historical. It must have merit. Just because it's old, doesn't mean it's nice. It's the same with modern architecture as well.
 

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If it were up to me then id tear them down tomorrow... but only if what is to replace them is properly thought out... Wgtn I think is a good reference, you could also use Somerset on the Pier (Hotel) in Hobart also as an argument to upgrade... although it is questionable as to the architectural merit of the structures themselves.. forgetting the timber and steel construction inside (which isnt uncommon lets face it)

Seriously though given the timeline here keeping them for the WC by way of a spit and polish might not be the worst Idea in the world. This would give us time to think about the best use of the site as we are not going to get to many more parcels of space down by the harbour at the foot of the CBD again any time soon and would avoid spending a lot of money for a one off event.

Its also hard to see a recreation of the viaduct precinct with cafes/restaurants etc being sustainable for AKL as a whole. and frankly would be a waste of an opportunity.. Not a fan of the convention centre or hotel down there either..
 

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I'm a big fan of converting historical industrial buildings and renovating them. We have some splendid examples here in Europe. But you need a fantastic building to start with. Europe, being at the forefront of the industrial revolution built many magnificent industrial palaces. Some of them are so elaborate and beautiful in design, it is hard to believe they were intended for industrial use. NZ never had this to the same level. All that aside, where a beautiful industrial building exists, by all means, retain it and redevelop it. But a historical structure shouldn't just be kept for the sake of it being historical. It must have merit. Just because it's old, doesn't mean it's nice. It's the same with modern architecture as well.[/QUOTE]

well said.... If you read through the assesment the architectural assesment says it all really.. The more I look at the old photos, particularly the older ones the more I think an almost entirely open space is the way to go ultimately.
 

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Seriously though given the timeline here keeping them for the WC by way of a spit and polish might not be the worst Idea in the world. This would give us time to think about the best use of the site as we are not going to get to many more parcels of space down by the harbour at the foot of the CBD again any time soon and would avoid spending a lot of money for a one off event.

Its also hard to see a recreation of the viaduct precinct with cafes/restaurants etc being sustainable for AKL as a whole. and frankly would be a waste of an opportunity.. Not a fan of the convention centre or hotel down there either..
I agree with the sentiment that rushing into something that is cheap and unsustainable in the long term is a bad idea, something that works well for the RWC doesn't mean it'll be something that will be good afterwards. The thing I like about the sheds is that they can be left as multi-functional spaces, attempting to develop a 2nd viaduct precinct won't work as I doubt Auckland can sustain it. The Viaduct struggle for a while after the America's Cup, so the same would be here.
 

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'Opening the Red Gates' Public Access Day


'Opening the Red Gates' Public Access Day
Opening of Queens Wharf to the general public
Sunday 13 September 2009
1pm to 4pm




Take the opportunity to visit Queens Wharf and wander along this piece of Auckland's maritime history. You'll get a feel for the planned development of the wharf and see for yourself the extraordinary position it commands on the Waitemata Harbour and on the edge of the central city. By standing on the wharf itself, we think it will be easy for you to see how Queens Wharf can become a jewel of Auckland's waterfront.
 

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Auckland:hahaha: why are you always embarrassing yourself all the time don't you know that the world is watching and having a good ole:puke:at your constant cheap & nastiness, look Auckland stop trying to be a 1st world city when are only just a 3rd world city:eek:ld:
What do you know dipshit
 

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Auckland:hahaha: why are you always embarrassing yourself all the time don't you know that the world is watching and having a good ole:puke:at your constant cheap & nastiness, look Auckland stop trying to be a 1st world city when are only just a 3rd world city:eek:ld:
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^^ Wow! Kauri Sarking! So Exciting!! Lets jump in joy.
 
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