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Discussion Starter · #1 ·
Well it has been an interesting start to the Newman Government. I thought it was a worthwhile thread topic.

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You're not wrong about it being "interesting" KJBrissy. Probably the best way to accurately describe it. In terms of social policy, the LNP leaves a LOT to be desired (though that's pretty well par for the course for conservative parties here), but in terms of the slashing of the public service and other government-related spending, while a generally painful exercise, I think he's doing what needs to be done. Whether he's doing this in a good or not so good manner remains to be seen... And yes, he even ended up in a car accident this morning!

In terms of development, it's a good thing as we have an LNP State Govt, LNP-lead BCC and an LNP-friendly mayor on the GCCC. Govt precinct redevelopment, potential new casinos for Brisbane and the GC, cruise ship terminal, Howard Smith Wharves...

Horrible thing to say but - I don't mind if cuts have to be done.


1. To say real jobs are in the private sector like Tim Nicholls did - I've worked in both and seen bludgers in private companies and fantastic workers in government. Stupid statement.

2. How are people supposed to find retirement, go to wanky outdated State of Origin games and buy Zara non-stop? Seriously, to say well you have to pay your bills and fund your retirement, and buy from Longchamp/Gucci etc, but we won't give you a job. Plus if you are not 'hot' and over 35 well get on the scrapheap we ain't giving you a job, and then you are called a dole bludger even if not on the dole LOL, but of course it is SO easy to get a job right ;)

My point: yes to get back into surplus and not end up like Greece is fine, but at what expense? I'm sure the private sector bosses and CEO's with their budgets are not going to absorb the exodus and cuts. Then again most take the easy way out and blame Labor or Campbell Newman, when the reality is, all of us have contributed to this.

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Funding at the EDO (Environmental Defenders Office) has been cut (no suprise there) as this government doesn't give jack all about the environment. So wrong

Dear clients, supporters and friends,

As you may have seen in the news today, we were told yesterday that the State government has ceased all State funding to EDO Qld and EDO-NQ without notice on 30 June 2012. This is half of our recurrent funding.

We have sought an urgent meeting with the State Attorney-General and Minister for Justice, Jarrod Bleijie, but are waiting for his response.

The withdrawal of funding guts our ability to help landholders, individuals and community groups understand and act on their legal rights to protect the environment. Without our office there is no legal support available for those that want to protect the environment in the public interest. Our invaluable community litigants handbook will cease publication.

If you have ever received our assistance or value the essential services we provide, now is the time we need your support to ask that our funding be restored.

Three things you can do to help us today:

contact Attorney-General and Minister for Justice, Jarrod Bleijie, [email protected] and politely tell him about the essential role we play in helping the community understand and access their legal rights;
donate to EDO Qld to at least allow us to deliver our Handbook guide to Mining & Coal Seam Gas or continue our general services, including answering the 50+ people on our waiting list for assistance to protect the environment; and
spread the word by commenting on media reports and telling your friends through Facebook, Twitter and your local networks.

Thanks in advance for your support!

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Discussion Starter · #6 ·
A bit long, however sometimes we need a bit of context:

Introducing the Qld Treasurer

New governments are always the last to realise that the only thing new about governance and public policy happens to be them. The test of any new government is how long it takes for that realisation to occur.

In Queensland, we’ve just completed the first 100 days of the Newman Government, otherwise known as Campbell Newman’s 100 day magical mystery tour – a sort of prolonged orientation week for new front benchers as they attend lots of events, go to a lot of meetings and where the public service tries their best to make them realise that they’re actually running the show now, and that it’s time for them to get their shit together.

A few of Ministers have surprised people – adapting to the realities of government much quicker than many thought they would. Some have taken to it like naturals.

Others however, too many in fact, haven’t quite figured it all out yet – others still, don’t seem to be able to bring themselves to even start acting like grownups.

Let me introduce you to Tim Nicholls – Tim doesn’t realise that he’s actually the Queensland Treasurer. He knows he is something Treasurerish, with his better office, people actually answering his calls, journalists actually attending his press conferences. He gets to attend swankier events and has a substantially larger hospitality budget – but he still doesn’t realise that he’s actually the Treasurer.

You can tell, as he still behaves as if he were in opposition – a place in Qld where it has historically been considered acceptable practice to just make things up as required. The transition from ad hoc political sloganeer to serious political institution isn’t going well for Mr Nicholls.

The alleged Treasurer recently wrote an article for the Brisbane Times – it’s well worth pulling it apart to highlight the lazy nonsense that’s starting to pervade what should be the serious side of Qld politics.

It begins:

Temporary contract workers in the public service were “cruelly strung along” by the former government, argues Treasurer Tim Nicholls.

The Newman government’s position on the size of the public sector is quite clear – our overriding principle is to preserve as many jobs as possible.

This government has both a responsibility and a mandate to pay down Labor’s debt.

It is a responsibility we all share.

And it is with that thought in mind that I ask members of the public sector to carefully consider demands for higher wages.

Let us then carefully consider these demands – but more importantly, a big bunch of public policy issues that accompany them – for at least then, there will be exactly one of us that has decided to do so.

It’s a question of high wage growth versus job cuts.

By turning down wage offers that are more than fair, union members will be jeopardising not only their colleagues’ jobs but also the state’s future prosperity.

The “wage offers” the alleged Treasurer is talking about are actually based on Tim Nicholls and Campbell Newman making an assumption that average annual inflation across the next three years – the life of the coming agreement – will be 1.6%.

No – that’s not a typo.

Not for this dynamic duo, that awkward reality where the Reserve Bank of Australia runs an inflation targeting regime designed to keep inflation between a 2% and 3% band over the medium and long term. To put this piece of ridiculous economic piffle into some context, let’s look at the most recent RBA Statement on Monetary Policy and the median inflation expectations contained within it (pages 64 and 67)

They have inflation forecasts 60 to 90 basis points lower than everyone else! If Nicholls wants to give real wage cuts, he should simply be honest about it. But as we’ll see, honesty isn’t often the best policy for the alleged Treasurer.

The Queensland government coffers are empty. State debt is heading for $100 billion. Unions can thank their Labor ‘mates’ for that.

Eleventy bazillion in fact – but that’s another laugh for another time. The only thing more consistent about new governments than rampaging egos are the discovery of magical budget black holes.

So when unions demand more money for their members it stands to reason expenses must be reduced elsewhere.

Rationalising the public service is not a task we relish. Nor do we embark on it lightly or frivolously.

There are many hardworking and dedicated public servants who have been let down by a Labor government that made short-term decisions for their own political benefit.

The Commission of Audit Interim Report found that in the past decade the size of the Queensland public service was allowed to grow by an unsustainable 41 per cent. It has become too top-heavy. Had the public service grown at the same rate as population, we’d have 18,500 fewer public servants, and expenses would be $1.5 billion lower.

It’s one of those “if my aunty had a willy, she’d be my uncle” things.

Let’s have a look at these figures – they’re quite enlightening and expose a pretty poor understanding of Qld public policy history. All figures are available from the Qld Public Service Commission’s annual reports from 2001 to 2011. For 2012 numbers, I’m using the 2012 March Quarter update on the same site.

To start with, here’s Qld public service numbers by the key departments – Health, Police, Education and Communities (which is where child safety and disability services reside) since 2001.

Now, let’s combine those together and call it HPEC and chart it with “the rest of the public service” which we’ll call “Other”.

That’s the entire Qld public service in that above chart.

Now, let’s look at that last chart, but where HPEC and “Others” (the rest of the public service) are done as proportions of the Qld population.

Now the story starts to be painted. The raw growth in the Qld public sector total numbers came from Health, Education, Communities and Police. The relative growth came from Health, Police and Communities – which we can see here:

While the total public service grew by 38% compared to population growth of 25%, Health, Police and Communities were where the actual growth came from – while Education and the rest of the public service grew at a slower rate than population growth. Education and the rest of public service became more efficient over that time – much more efficient, with education delivering an additional year of schooling, and the rest of the public service implementing the largest legislative and policy agenda that Qld had seen over any decade period

The reason health grew is simple – it was a response to the Qld Health crisis, which you may remember from such classic hits as Dr Death and Bundaberg Hospital. What happened for those uninitiated in the ways and means of Qld’s institutional killing and maiming, the health and hospital system was understaffed and so poorly organised to the point where basic accountability and transparency systems ceased to function, or in many cases, ceased to effectively exist at all. It wasn’t just Bundaberg hospital either – Bundaberg just happened to be the canary in the coalmine. The problems found at Bundaberg were also found across the entire Qld hospital system, but mostly to a lesser degree of magnitude… lesser but growing.

We were on the verge of having a whole lot of Bundaberg hospitals – so the Health Action Plan was created, which attempted to deal with the situation. As a result of more doctors, nurses and health professionals being brought into the system (and the construction of a much more accountable system along with it), the proportion of front line workers in Health jumped from around the 81% mark in 2001 to 86% today. Similarly, over that period, the case load of hospitals has also increased significantly.

With Police growth – that’s pretty self explanatory.

Communities on the other hand has been largely driven by child safety and child protection issues rising from what was the appalling state of Qld’s capabilities in those regards. So much so, that Newman himself has just initiated a major inquiry into the child protection system. The irony being that it will recommend more staff.

So that’s why, policy wise, we witnessed the growth we did in the Qld public service – ostensibly to deal with a health and child protection crisis, and adding more police.

When Tim Nicholls says: “Had the public service grown at the same rate as population, we’d have 18,500 fewer public servants, and expenses would be $1.5 billion lower.

Let’s look at what that would mean:

I’m using more updated numbers than Nicholls – March quarter 2012 figures. What we see is that if the public service grew at the same rate as the Qld population, we’d have 17,725 fewer people in Health, 3,594 fewer in Communities and 1,002 less in Police. Ironically, we’d also have 1,346 more people in Education and 418 more in the rest of the public service – but let’s not go there. 86% of the increase over and above population growth came directly from Health.

To give an idea of what’s involved here with the alleged Treasurer’s ideal public service numbers – i.e. a position he’s plucked straight from his posterior with little to no thought at all - if we look at the health action plan and it’s follow through (small pdf file), it made the number of front line health workers 85.8% as of June last year (a simple calculation from that link – 58,280 of the 69,221 health employees were front line)

Even if we assume it’s down to 85% (when there’s absolutely no reason to, just being generous to Tim as he appears to need all the generosity he can get), that means there’s only 10,300 odd non-frontline health staff, and he reckons there’s 17,725 too many.

According to the alleged Treasurer, he’s going to need to cut all non-front line staff (don’t ask who handles Hospital logistics) and still needs to cut over 7,000 front line staff on top, just to get back to his fantasy ideal of the public service in Health alone.

Back to the days of Bundaberg – on steroids – and more killing and maiming. The problem the alleged Treasurer faces is that his public service numbers don’t stack up to anyone that knows anything about Qld public policy, or how we got to where we are.

Tim Nicholls continues:

Almost half the state’s revenue this financial year will be spent paying public servants’ wages and superannuation.

A fascinating statistic – although one that loses a bit of its clout if you mention that this actually happens every year. State governments supply public services, public services provided by actual people called public servants – you don’t get one without the other. It can be a tough concept to get your noggin around.

If we track employee expenses and revenue from the General Government Sector Operating Statement of budgets going back to 2003/04, we get a pretty unexciting chart.

Weekly earnings of Queensland public sector workers have increased by 16.7 per cent in the past decade, compared to 12.7 nationally.

If wages have increased by 16.7% in a decade, that would be very bad news indeed – since inflation over the period from 2001 to 2011 was actually 33.1% (Try it yourself with the RBA inflation calculator). No wonder Tim is offering real wage cuts as wage offers, if he reckons a 16% real wage cut over a decade was absolutely fantastic stuff.

If you’re confused about now, the alleged Treasurer probably meant “real wage” rises – although who really knows. If we ever get to the point where analysing what Tim Nicholls “actually means” becomes a necessity on any given economic topic, it’s probably safe to say that we’ve already lost.

Meanwhile, we can jump over to the Australian Bureau of Statistics and have a look ourselves.

The period the alleged Treasurer is concerned with here spans the 2000/2001 through to 2010/11 financial years. The first release of ABS 6302.2 after July 1st of each year comes in August, so that’s the data we’ll use here.

As you can see – the Qld public sector average weekly earnings (Full time, adult, ordinary time earnings) grew 57.7% over the period compared to 54.3% growth for the national public sector average. But what you can also see is that Qld public sector wages grew from being 95.3% of the national public sector average in August 2001, to be 97.4% of the public sector national average in August 2011.

Similarly, Qld private sector wages grew 70.4% over the period, compared to 60.4% nationally – and changed from being 91.9% of the average national private sector wage in 2001 to being 97.6% in 2011

In other words, Qld public sector wages grew faster than the national public sector average, but grew slower than Qld and Australian private sector wages and are still less than the national public sector average.

The reason for this is pretty clear – Qld was a low skill, low wage economy for most of its existence and has only recently started to catch up to the rest of Australia. The private sector in Qld was particularly lower skilled in terms of education and training compared to the broader Australian private sector, and as the skill level of the Qld labour market increased, and as the economy itself increased in sophistication and value production, we witnessed substantially higher private sector wage increases than the national average. Effectively the skill/wage gap closed between Qld and the rest of the economy as Qld became better educated and developed more sophisticated vocational skill sets to match a much more sophisticated economy. You can also add to that the resources boom, which added higher value production to the Qld private sector economy.

The public sector in Qld, however, already had a higher level of education and training compared to the Qld private sector, and the skills/wage gap between the Qld and National public sectors was much smaller to begin with.

Getting back to the remarks from the alleged Treasurer – it is true that Qld public sector wages grew faster than the national public sector average. They grew from being 95.3% of the national average in 2001 to being 97.4% of the national average in 2011 - reflecting a state wide pattern of higher than national wages growth as we closed the gap between us and the rest of Australia. But while we closed the gap, we are still below the national average.

While wage increases for public servants have been markedly higher than inflation in recent years, many small business owners and private sector employees have struggled to make ends meet. They have been forced to pay rising taxes, fees and charges, without receiving any increase in their take home pay.


We’ll do real wages in a bit.

Many private companies during the global financial crisis made the tough decision to freeze employee wages and recruitment. The employees at these companies may not have liked having their wages frozen, but accepted it was better than the alternative of losing their jobs. Even before the economic slowdown, real pay rises (above inflation) were only offered in exchange for productivity gains or increased responsibility.

Meanwhile, at ABS 6302.2 (where we were just at) and ABS 6401.0 (Consumer Price Index), we can combine those to give us some comparable real wage increases by sector – Tim’s “real pay rises (above inflation)”.

As we’ve already seen, Qld private sector wages over the decade grew at a much faster rate than Qld public sector wages – and everyone experienced the same inflation rate. But let’s look at the period covering the global financial crisis – from 2008 through to today. You never know, Tim may have actually got something right.

Real wage rises (wage rises adjusting for inflation) since the beginning of 2008 have averaged 2.8% per year for the Qld private sector and 1.9% per year for the Qld public sector.

While private sector real wage growth did freeze for a couple of quarters, it recovered quickly, and over the entire financial crisis has outstripped public sector wage growth.

When the private sector was hit by the GFC, they reduced output as a result of collapsing demand. As a consequence of that reduced output, they had a few quarters of wage restraint.

The output of the public service is public services – it isn’t an abstract concept – it’s health, police, fire fighters, child protection, education etc. The demand for public services didn’t collapse, isn’t collapsing, and won’t collapse over the forward estimates. Far from it, demand for Qld public services has, and is continuing to increase – in some areas increasing dramatically.

Using the alleged Treasurer’s own argument, if he wants a wage freeze because of collapsed output, as occurred in the private sector during the GFC, then what public services does he intend to reduce the output of?

Does he even know? Does he even understand the question?

During recent enterprise bargaining agreement negotiations we offered fair and reasonable pay increases to public servants who are among the best paid in Australia.

Well, yes, as long as “among the best paid” = “below the national average”.

From what we’ve seen so far, I think we can safely suggest that Tim is among the best economic minds in Australia.

Anyway – the article goes on and on. If you really want to punch yourself in the face and read the rest of it, you can continue it over here.

Unfortunately, this is indicative of the type of vacuous piffle we’re getting from the Newman government across a wide range of policy areas, where Ministers – too many Ministers – are still acting as if they’re in opposition and regularly producing all sorts of inaccurate and superficial rubbish about the big policy issues that they are now supposed to own. They aren’t getting called on it either, as the Labor opposition are one of the saddest telephone booths of people you’ll ever lay eyes on, and the media is getting hollowed out to the point where there aren’t enough hours in a journo’s day to be across the detail involved on any particular policy issue. Too many in the Newman Ministry, including the alleged Treasurer, are effectively running a Baffle Them With Bullshit strategy.

The difference between being in government and being in Opposition is that the former requires you to be at least marginally acquainted with the reality based community. Unlike Opposition, government doesn’t start and end with political hackery – there is a more important job involved, that of policy and governance.

And that requires you to at least be partially across your brief.

God help them when the inevitable policy crisis lands in their lap, where the effectiveness of its management will be defined by their actual policy capabilities and policy knowledge. From what we’re seeing so far, there’s a lot of childish pretenders hanging around.


Dear Tim Nicholls, if you want to actually be the Treasurer, then start acting like it. Shit or get off the pot.

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Discussion Starter · #7 ·

Cameras banned after broadcast of Parliamentary protest

Independent television camera operators will be banned from the floor of Queensland Parliament until late August, after news bulletins broadcast footage of a protest over civil unions last month.

Speaker Fiona Simpson today issued a ruling that suspends television camera access for the next nine parliamentary sitting days.

Instead, television stations would have to make use of the official parliamentary broadcast feed.

But it is understood television networks have previously decided not to use the in-house vision, amid concerns that it is not of broadcast quality. A TV journalist said the feed was also not physically cabled to the TV offices.

The temporary ban has been blamed on a breach of media access policy, which states that events in the galleries are not part of the official proceedings.

The policy states that cameras should only focus on whichever MP has “the call” to speak. When there are disturbances in the gallery, the incident is not meant to be shown.

Last month, protesters disrupted proceedings in Queensland Parliament for about five minutes as MPs pushed through changes to water down same-sex civil union laws.

The Newman government's changes removed the option of state-sanctioned commitment ceremonies, and also renamed civil partnerships as registered relationships.

Dozens of protesters were escorted from the public gallery after they took offence at comments made during the parliamentary debate and disrupted proceedings.

Ms Simpson said the breaches occurred across all television networks and were an “unacceptable form of behaviour”.

She said an “equally severe penalty” must be imposed, with television cameras excluded for nine sitting days. Access to the official broadcast feed would remain.

“Please be advised that future breaches of these or other clauses of the media access policy will be considered most severely,” Ms Simpson wrote in a letter to Parliamentary Media Gallery president Patrick Condren, of Seven News.

In a media statement, Ms Simpson said the breaches “could reasonably be expected to contribute to future public safety issues”.

In a brief statement, Premier Campbell Newman said the issue “was entirely a matter for the Speaker and that he was not informed of the action until after the media gallery were told”.

Ms Simpson's decision comes ahead of the beginning of another parliamentary sitting tomorrow.

It is understood still photographers will not be banned from the floor of Parliament, because images of the protesters were apparently not published.

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People don't realise that they have voted in such a retarded government until after.

A gay guy I know voted for the LNP and now he feels "betrayed" at what they have done. Duahhhh :eek:hno:

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Discussion Starter · #9 ·
Former Howard minister blasts LNP 'cult'

Former Howard government minister Gary Hardgrave has labelled Queensland's Liberal National Party a “cult” that has been pushing around state MPs and shows no tolerance for dissent.

The strongly worded attack from the recently expelled LNP member comes amid signs of tensions between the Queensland LNP and the federal Liberal party.

Acting LNP president Gary Spence sent an email to LNP members on Friday warning them the party constitution required them not to publicly criticise the party, its office bearers, parliamentary representatives or candidates.

Mr Spence told members that “all statements and comments in relation to the affairs of the party must be made through the appropriate party channels, and not publicly”, including remarks about the current preselection processes.

“The success of the LNP to date has hinged in considerable part on the discipline exhibited by members since the party's formation in adhering to the provisions of the LNP constitution and ensuring that party matters are kept within the party,” Mr Spence wrote.

“On behalf of all party members, the state executive is determined to ensure this remains the case and will use the full force of the constitution to this effect.”

LNP state director Brad Henderson last night said the party had high standards and believed Queenslanders were entitled to expect that of their political parties.

But Mr Hardgrave, a presenter with Radio 4BC (owned by Fairfax Media, publisher of this website), said the letter was indicative of the LNP's attitude to dissent.

“It's like a papacy. It really is,” he said.

Mr Hardgrave, who was last month dumped from the LNP amid concern over his public comments, said Liberals in the southern states did not have a flattering view of the merged Queensland party.

“The view from down south is that this is no longer a political party; it's a cult, because it's all-controlling, it's all-demanding, it's all about your obligations as a member [and] there's no room for a variety of views,” he said.

“There is no doubt that the LNP see themselves as the centre of the universe and the [federal] Liberal Party have to affiliate with them rather than them being a division of the Liberal Party.”

A federal Liberal source said there was a perception among some former Liberals that the Nationals had emerged on top in the LNP, although this could moderate over time with former Liberal Campbell Newman serving as Premier.

“That patently can cause some tension with the federal Liberals on the basis it's a funny beast that's still evolving,” the current federal MP said.

“I think the LNP is an unusual beast because of the way it's brought together all wings of the conservatives in a way we don't have in any other state, really.

“It's quite unusual so the culture of it is still evolving.”

The Liberal source said there was also a view that the LNP, buoyed by the Queensland election landslide, had come along to tell the Liberals how to run things, despite the Liberal party having existed since 1944 and proven very successful over that time.

The LNP unsuccessfully pushed at the federal Liberal council meeting for a ban on lobbyists serving on the national party executive, a move Queensland mining magnate Clive Palmer championed as a necessary integrity measure.

LNP president Bruce McIver recently confirmed he had dropped plans to run for the federal Liberal presidency after a request from Federal Opposition Leader Tony Abbott.

Mr Palmer last month also confirmed he had an expletive-laden argument with Mr Abbott over the lobbyist issue.

Meanwhile, he said Mr Abbott had also asked him not to run for LNP preselection in Federal Treasurer Wayne Swan's Brisbane seat of Lilley.

Mr Hardgrave said, distressingly, there were fewer people involved in LNP decision making than there had been before.

The former federal MP said that in the recent Moreton preselection “barely 130” people participated, but that when he was endorsed in the same seat in the 1990s about 230 Liberals were involved.

However, Mr Henderson hit back at the claims about decreasing participation.

“Since the formation of the LNP in 2008, the party has increased its membership by more than 4000 and now has more than 14,000 members,” the LNP state director said in a written response last night.

“At the last federal election, the LNP doubled the national average swing to the Coalition and won 21 of the state's 30 federal seats.

“At the 24 March state election, the party won 78 of the State Parliament's 89 seats.

“At the Brisbane City Council election, the LNP won three additional wards to take its representation to 19, and its mayoral candidate won 62 per cent of the primary vote.

“The party is currently receiving unprecedented interest from candidates for the next federal election, fielding more than 150 expressions of interest for the 10 seats the party doesn't currently represent and high if not record numbers of candidates in the federal preselections held so far.”

Queensland University of Technology political scientist Clive Bean said some tension was normal.

“I think there always is some degree of tension both between state and national level and also between the party organisation and the political wing too, and there's probably a little bit of a sense at the moment that perhaps the organisational wing isn't as significant as it sometimes is given the big [parliamentary] majority Campbell Newman has,” he said.

Professor Bean said the move to ban lobbyists from the federal executive and install Mr McIver as federal Liberal president could have been seen as the LNP at a Queensland level trying to translate its electoral success onto the federal scene.

“To me what that smacks of is the issue I think was set down after the state election, given how successful the LNP was in winning that election, that the LNP model is now one that will need to be seriously considered at the national level; in other words, the merger of the Liberal and National parties,” he said.

“Presumably if Bruce McIver had been successful that would have well and truly been on the national agenda.”

Mr Hardgrave made clear his criticisms of the LNP were not aimed at the parliamentary wing of the party, which he said was “going well” under Mr Newman's leadership and was addressing issues that needed to be tackled.

However, he said it was “critical that the party organisation leaves the parliamentary team alone”.

“Right now I know they're not. They're ringing people up and pushing them around,” he said, citing “moral issues” the parliamentary team had been dealing with.

“The bottom line here is that the government is going well and it's doing a good job and it's reforming and it's dealing with stuff in a coherent way but it is eventually going to get tarred with this organisational insanity.”

Mr Henderson did not respond specifically to this aspect of Mr Hardgrave's criticism.

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People don't realise that they have voted in such a retarded government until after.

A gay guy I know voted for the LNP and now he feels "betrayed" at what they have done. Duahhhh :eek:hno:
So what part of Newman's 'We will repeal this legislation is we are able to' promise did your friend not understand...

Newman would still get home in a landslide. I have a lot more confidence in Qld these days with him at the helm.

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I'm glad you have more confidence in Qld. I on the other hand have listened to glorious leader Newman on the perils of debt and and am cutting back hard on spending and debt. The vibe I am picking up is that there was a bit of a confidence bounce after the election but it is evaporating big time over the last few weeks, although perhaps that is just winter..

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Discussion Starter · #12 ·

Also for anyone thinking the Public Service should just 'suck it up as this is how the private sector deals with it', how often can the private sector change the law and the rules so that the company gets their way?

Newman has done this 3 times now. EBA's aren't worth the paper they are written on.

Also what organisation cuts with a focus on FTE's rather than the amount saved? Pure stupidity.

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Discussion Starter · #16 ·

IMO Newman's actions so far will push Queensland into a recession in the near future.

Which of course will be blamed on Bligh.

You must be paid to write that. Anna's alternative would have been what? more of the same? more snouts in the trough? get real.


It has begun:

Job cuts leave Brisbane's CBD businesses hurting and carparks empty

by: Robyn Ironside
July 31, 2012

HUGE cutbacks to Queensland's public service are draining Brisbane's CBD, leaving entire floors of carparks empty and retailers struggling to stay open.

Secure Parking's David Knight said it was not only the shrinking CBD workforce that was hurting operators; fewer people in general were coming into the city for business.

"People aren't going to see that lawyer or architect or engineer, and they're not going to government offices because there's no new projects happening," Mr Knight said. "It all dominoes right through the economy."

National Retail Association spokesman Gary Black said CBD retailers had been doing it tough since late 2009 and many were now on death row.

"You would expect the public service job cuts to have some impact (on retailers)," he said.

Mr Black said rent hikes and increasing labour costs were also hurting city stores, and having an impact on service.

"Independent retailers in particular don't have the resilient characteristics that chains have," Mr Black said. "To expect them to continue to survive in the face of this prolonged downturn I think is not realistic. We're certainly going to see continued business failures in the retail sector until the end of this year."

Premier Campbell Newman announced on Friday that public sector numbers had fallen by 4400 full-time employees.

He said the Government's reforms to build a "right-size public service" would continue.

Mr Knight said the plunge in demand for car parking started just before the June school holidays and had only got worse.

"At first I thought everyone had gone away to the snow. But after the holidays business didn't pick up like it normally does," he said.

The lack of interest had prompted price cuts, with all-day early bird parking now available for $9 in Fortitude Valley and $12-$15 in city parking stations - down from usual rates of $20 to $26.

But it is still cheaper to fly to Sydney to shop than park your vehicle in Brisbane's most expensive city car parks. Visitors to Secure Parking's MacArthur Central, Festival on Charlotte, Parkade on Albert St, AM60 on Albert St, and 140 Elizabeth St premises' are being slugged $72 for a three-hour-plus stay.

An annual bill, calculating the cost of parking for three hours, five days a week, comes to more than $18,000 - the price of a new car.

A short lunch-break is also denting motorists' wallets, with a 31-minute ticket at the carpark operator's Emirates House site on Eagle St costing $33 - that's more than $1 per minute.

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McWhirters said:
Newman is a hideous man, the worst kind of politician, tiny hearted, and we will look back on this period with shame.
We already are. Even non political type and LNP supporters are regretting that day back in March. The facts are there.... Our state economy was not in that bad shape as he is making it out to be. He made all these election commitments that he couldn't fund and he is going to extremes now to do so. In 3 years time, we'll have labor back blaming the LNP for leaving the state in the way it is !!!

New Urbanist
5,626 Posts
What frustrates me is that most people on this forum and in general were singing the LNP's praises before the election thinking Newman was this Jesus figure and now everyone has turned against him... so typical.

It was a no brainer that the LNP were going to cull the public sector, sell off assets (coming soon) and take away human rights... you were blond to think otherwise if you didn't see this coming (no offence).

18,596 Posts
The ALP only have themselves to blame for this situation though. Had they actually run a campaign based on what they were going to do for the state compared to the LNP, rather than spending the majority of the campaign attacking Newman and his family at an almost personal level, they might have gotten enough numbers to at least be an effective opposition. Instead, they were reduced to the minibus-sized team that they are. With the exception of South Bank 2, I'm struggling to remember any election promises that they made, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. And I foresee a similar thing happening in federal...nobody likes the rAbbott, but there's just no way that the general public could stomach another term of Julia (which the polls are reflecting). People just can't trust her (yes I know, you can never trust politicians, but her trustworthiness is perceived to be even below that of regular politicians thanks to the Carbon Tax issue). Labor are going to be decimated and even Bomber Beazley is reportedly conceding that fact. Labor nationally needs to have a seriously hard look at themselves and reinvent the party if they have any chance of avoiding a decade of coalition rule at any level of government.

As for the Courier Mail story about the retailers hurting, you can't relate this completely to the cuts in the public service. Retailers have been hurting pretty well since 2008 thanks to the effects of the GFC and now the "European GFC". This is, in part, what has caused so many retailers to fail. Yes, the public service cuts in Brisbane may have some impact on it, but any claims that it is the sole reason are fanciful at best IMO.
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