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If you haven't already seen Newcastle upon Tyne: a selection of the Earliest Photographs (Frank Manders, Newcastle 1995) It might have something useful. The blurb reads "This is the first time that almost all of the surviving views of Newcastle upon Tyne in the period 1850-1870 have been brought together in one volume" and I'm pretty sure it had pictures of the High Level, and possibly the Gateshead side. It was published by Newcastle Libraries (or maybe their later incarnation, Tyne Bridge Publishing) and Newcastle Local Studies would certainly (and Gateshead probably) have a copy.
 

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If you haven't already seen Newcastle upon Tyne: a selection of the Earliest Photographs (Frank Manders, Newcastle 1995) It might have something useful. The blurb reads "This is the first time that almost all of the surviving views of Newcastle upon Tyne in the period 1850-1870 have been brought together in one volume" and I'm pretty sure it had pictures of the High Level, and possibly the Gateshead side. It was published by Newcastle Libraries (or maybe their later incarnation, Tyne Bridge Publishing) and Newcastle Local Studies would certainly (and Gateshead probably) have a copy.
There are a couple of photographs in the book showing the High Level Bridge, one from 1854 and the other 1871 but non of its construction or indeed of Wellington Street. Both of which are available on the City Libraries Archive Collection @ http://www.flickr.com/photos/newcastlelibraries/4081907817/



And @ http://www.flickr.com/photos/newcastlelibraries/4081751712/



This is an illustration from 1849 when the bridge was opened by Queen Victoria - courtesy of the City Libraries Archive Collection @ http://www.flickr.com/photos/newcastlelibraries/4081663360/sizes/o/in/photostream/



On the matter of the roadway across the High Level Bridge, John Addyman and Bill Fawcett in their book "The High Level Bridge and Newcastle Central Station - 150 Years Across The Tyne" write that it wasn't opened to traffic until 4th February 1850 owing to delays in securing the 200,000 specially shaped wooden blocks that were needed for the road surface.

The book also makes comment about a dispute between Newcastle Corporation and the railway company about the costs associated from in with making up the road from St Nicholas Square as early as August 1847.

Another interesting piece of trivia is that 650 families in Newcastle and 130 in Gateshead had to vacate their homes to allow for the construction of the bridge.

Unfortunately no mention of Wellington Street.
 

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Have put these pictures of the 'mystery' quayside building on this thread.

Was wandering past and there were a couple of guys from Bellway securing the building from vandals.

The place has been vadalised inside.

I understand that Bellway also own the former Calder Leadworks site.

Not sure when there is likely to be any building activity although elsewhere on this forum there are plans/impressions of what could happen.

Guys said they understood the building was offices for the leadworks?





No building on the green belt
 

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Gateshead Railway Station (closed), Wellington St & High Level Parade, Gateshead

Hi Steve

thanks anyway. I'm very interested in how Wellington Street on the Gateshead side came about and has changed over the years - was hoping if there were photos of the bridge being built I could see what it looked like from the start. There seems to be much less info around on Gateshead which is a bit of a shame.

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In case you do not know I posted some pictures of Wellington & High Level Parade (the shops) in the Gateshead Developments thread on 3 November 2011 - Page 16 post #306

For information the entrance to the Gateshead East Station (closed just after the Metro arrived on south of the river) was by a flight of steps, location now occupied by Ali Geez takeaway (shop unit to north of "open arch")

Gateshead West Station platforms are still there and can be seen by walking up the inclined car par park area ( north of Railway Club building) up to the west side of the end of the High Level Bridge - also gives good viewpoint across the bridge and was point from which photographs mentioned above were taken from

TO OTHERS

One thing I would like to see would be a photograph of the (from memory) blue and white tiled map of either BR or LNER railways in this area that used to be located half way up the staircase - I have checked via Google and found locations of same/similar that used to be located at other stations, however no pictures seem viewable.

In respect of the tiled map I do not mean the one located in the underpass area of National Railway Museum at York ( see pictures below taken by me some in May 2010 - hosted in Photobucket)







Anyone have any ideas where to source the picture I wish to see?

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Tyne and Wear history wiki

What would you guys think about a history wiki for the region?

I think it could be a great way of drawing together information from diverse sources in a way that makes it easy to navigate. Being a wiki, anyone could contribute.

Good idea? Bad idea? What's your opinion?
 

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To paraphrase Louis XIV,
Le wiki, c'est nous

On the other hand, a Northipedia could have legs.
 

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What would you guys think about a history wiki for the region?

I think it could be a great way of drawing together information from diverse sources in a way that makes it easy to navigate. Being a wiki, anyone could contribute.

Good idea? Bad idea? What's your opinion?
NCJ Media tried this a couple of years ago and I remember thinking at the time that it was a good idea.

They seem to have abandoned it (at least I can't get it to work), but you can gain an idea of the content here.

The list of top topics makes interesting reading.
 

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NCJ Media tried this a couple of years ago and I remember thinking at the time that it was a good idea.

They seem to have abandoned it (at least I can't get it to work), but you can gain an idea of the content here.

The list of top topics makes interesting reading.
Thanks, I was unaware of that. Currently, the wiki itself (http://www.wiki-north-east.co.uk/) has just got three 'articles' that are essentially adverts, i.e. the project has been abandoned.

The last snapshot the Internet Archive has of the site is from the 27th of March 2009. It shows that it never really got off the ground.

In order for a wiki to be successful, it needs to have a core of tightly connected (i.e. cross-linked) information that it can grow from. Because the scope of the North-East-Wiki was so wide (essentially everything in the North-east), it never got anywhere.

It was when I was reading the "Remembering HISTORIC NEWCASTLE" thread that I first thought that a wiki would be a good way to tie all the information together. That thread has information about almost every street and every building of note (my primary interest regarding the history of the region is the built environment). I'd even be happy to transfer that information over to a wiki if it was the general opinion of the people here that it would be a good idea.

I commend Newcastle Historian for his "ALPHABETICAL SUBJECT INDEX". It's a valuable resource, but it's perhaps not the easiest thing to browse. It also requires one person to maintain it, whereas a wiki would be a collaborative effort.
 

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Thanks, I was unaware of that. Currently, the wiki itself (http://www.wiki-north-east.co.uk/) has just got three 'articles' that are essentially adverts, i.e. the project has been abandoned.

The last snapshot the Internet Archive has of the site is from the 27th of March 2009. It shows that it never really got off the ground.

In order for a wiki to be successful, it needs to have a core of tightly connected (i.e. cross-linked) information that it can grow from. Because the scope of the North-East-Wiki was so wide (essentially everything in the North-east), it never got anywhere.

It was when I was reading the "Remembering HISTORIC NEWCASTLE" thread that I first thought that a wiki would be a good way to tie all the information together. That thread has information about almost every street and every building of note (my primary interest regarding the history of the region is the built environment). I'd even be happy to transfer that information over to a wiki if it was the general opinion of the people here that it would be a good idea.

I commend Newcastle Historian for his "ALPHABETICAL SUBJECT INDEX". It's a valuable resource, but it's perhaps not the easiest thing to browse. It also requires one person to maintain it, whereas a wiki would be a collaborative effort.
A North East wikipedia style resource would be excellent.

When you think about it there are many websites, such as this one, and many separate Facebook pages, such as the Categorised West End site, who are essentially ploughing their own furrows and using what they have to provide all their fantastic information and pictures.

If all of this could somehow come together under one umbrella wiki-based site then it would be superb.

However to get people to co-operate and to pool all the info would be a massive task, but not impossible with some dedication and patience. The results would be well worth it.

I would certainly be happy to help create such a resource or lend a hand in any other way to get it up and running.

NH - do you have any thoughts on this?
 

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Thanks, I was unaware of that. Currently, the wiki itself (http://www.wiki-north-east.co.uk/) has just got three 'articles' that are essentially adverts, i.e. the project has been abandoned.

The last snapshot the Internet Archive has of the site is from the 27th of March 2009. It shows that it never really got off the ground.

In order for a wiki to be successful, it needs to have a core of tightly connected (i.e. cross-linked) information that it can grow from. Because the scope of the North-East-Wiki was so wide (essentially everything in the North-east), it never got anywhere.

It was when I was reading the "Remembering HISTORIC NEWCASTLE" thread that I first thought that a wiki would be a good way to tie all the information together. That thread has information about almost every street and every building of note (my primary interest regarding the history of the region is the built environment). I'd even be happy to transfer that information over to a wiki if it was the general opinion of the people here that it would be a good idea.

I commend Newcastle Historian for his "ALPHABETICAL SUBJECT INDEX". It's a valuable resource, but it's perhaps not the easiest thing to browse. It also requires one person to maintain it, whereas a wiki would be a collaborative effort.
A North East wikipedia style resource would be excellent. I would certainly be happy to help create such a resource or lend a hand in any other way to get it up and running.

NH - do you have any thoughts on this?

In response to the two posts above, I have to say that I think that a wiki is an excellent idea. Whether it should be a very wide-ranging "North East Area" wiki, or a more manageable "Newcastle Area" wiki, I would leave that to others to decide.

I am not aware of any other websites that contain (at the present time) even 'a fraction' of the Newcastle Information that this Newcastle Forum of Skyscraper City contains, so I agree that this forum would be an ideal place to get much of the initial information from.

As said, the Historic Newcastle thread contains a lot of that information . . . but there are other threads on this forum that also contain a lot of 'factual' information, including this thread we are on now - the Questions thread.

A full list of the most useful threads for factual content (copied from uner "T" for 'threads' on the ALPHABETICAL SUBJECT INDEX thread) is contained in the below "Historical - Information & Reference Thread List" . . .

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HISTORICAL (INFORMATION & REFERENCE) THREADS . . .

Remembering Historic Newcastle - Old Photos, Maps, even Stories . . .
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=982536
Memorable NEWSPAPER Front Pages from times past - Newcastle and the North East
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1098675
BOOKS - about Newcastle and the North East
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1024187
Newcastle & the North East - ASK ANY QUESTION here if you want INFORMATION
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1046553
The DEPARTMENT STORES of Newcastle - of the Past, Present and Future
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1005737
Newcastle "As it might have been" . . .
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1009531
Test your Newcastle GENERAL KNOWLEDGE . . .
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=998733
HISTORY and OLD PHOTOS of the North East (Outside the Newcastle Boundary)
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=987417
Newcastle Chronicle Ltd - A 1930s Tour of the Chronicle's old Westgate Road HQ
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1235527
"DIVERSION" - Building the CME (Central Motorway East) from 1972 to 1975.
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=999987
Crossings of the River Tyne - Current, proposed, and those that never happened
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1013869
ABANDONED Buildings & GAP Sites - What could be done with them?
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1093493
The Outdoor & Indoor MARKETS of Newcastle & the North East
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1139629
The Town Moor
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1001451
Newcastle Art
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=992113
ADVERTS : Old Adverts from times past in Newcastle and the North East
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1212275
RETAIL MEMORIES from Times Past - Newcastle and the North East
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1212285
Building the Newcastle Western Bypass (1987-1990)
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1248441
Newcastle - Grand Development Plans and Ideas (over the years)
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1256741
Art on the Metro
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1287955
VICTORIA Tunnel, QUAYSIDE RAILWAY Tunnel – and other “subterranean” Newcastle - Discussion Thread
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1308595
The ODEON, Pilgrim Street – Preserve, Renovate, or Demolish?
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1317429
Newcastle Area - Historical Photos on Google Maps
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1321859
COMMEMORATING Events, People and Places - in Newcastle and the North East
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1403656
Heritage Open Days - 2011
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1440156
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Of course, it is principally those threads listed above that contain much of our 'permanent factual' (as I call it) information, but ANY of the other threads (out of the 190 we have) on this forum could potentially contain some valuable factual information.

The way to get at ALL of that info, is by starting your research by going FROM the Index Thread, on (I would suggest) an 'alphabetical' basis from A to Z.

No matter which thread a fact on this forum is stored, I have tried to record it (preserve it / keep it 'accessible') by posting an alphabetical-based link to it on the Index Thread.

Obviously most posts on this wide-ranging 'discussion forum' of ours, do not contain permanent factual information, but where they do I have tried ("tried") to always list them in (and link them from) the Alphabetical Subject Index, so I feel that should be (as said) your logical starting point.

This is just the sort of idea and project that I would LOVE to do myself, and/or become involved in one, being done by others.

However, my 'on-line' time is more than fully occupied by my moderation work of the various SSC Forums, so I would not really be able to get hugely involved, personally.

However, I would imagine that this forum contains many people who would be happy to become involved - and I would certainly be more than happy to advise and/or help with queries (if requested) in relation to usage of info from this forum, as I am trying to do in this post!
 

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Westgate P.A.S.T

A North East wikipedia style resource would be excellent.

When you think about it there are many websites, such as this one, and many separate Facebook pages, such as the Categorised West End site, who are essentially ploughing their own furrows and using what they have to provide all their fantastic information and pictures.

If all of this could somehow come together under one umbrella wiki-based site then it would be superb.

However to get people to co-operate and to pool all the info would be a massive task, but not impossible with some dedication and patience. The results would be well worth it.

I would certainly be happy to help create such a resource or lend a hand in any other way to get it up and running.

NH - do you have any thoughts on this?
When you refer to "the Categorised West End site" are you on subject of http://www.westgatepast.com/ , a website name passed to me in recent days by an acquaintance who used to live in that area and sometimes carries out work in the area

From their home page:-

"Westgate P.A.S.T is a group of people who are interested in researching and preserving the history and heritage of the west end of Newcastle

Our objective is to build an archive of all the aspects of the area.

We have approximately 40,000 pictures including the demolition of Newcastle Breweries, the closing of the CO-OP the demolition of part of Eldon Square and many community events in the west end.

We also have a number of Audio interviews of local residents"

On this page also :- (This site is work in progress.But please email us with any comments or if you require any further details)



If not the same group, then another to consider

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Another potentially very useful source of information on this forum (about where to get information from for the proposed wiki) in addition to the previously mentioned INTERNAL INDEX Listing Thread, is the EXTERNAL WEBSITES Listing Thread.

Section 09 of that thread is particularly useful, as it contains links to (probably by now many more than) a hundred or so "Local Interest / Photos / Newcastle Area" External Websites (including Westgate P.A.S.T. which was 'under construction' a while ago, when I exchanged messages with them) many of which cover discrete areas or aspects in detail (unlike OUR wider remit on this forum) and so they could be immensly useful in this project.

Section 09 - http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=59482683&postcount=10
 

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Sorry but that is same as one at NRM York ( as my pictures)

The one I remember was Blue & white tiles

But thanks for trying

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Theres one preserved at Tynemouth Metro station Ken, next to the Italian restaurant on the Wallsend-bound platform. Though from memory it looks kind of similar to the one already posted.
 

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When you refer to "the Categorised West End site" are you on subject of http://www.westgatepast.com/ , a website name passed to me in recent days by an acquaintance who used to live in that area and sometimes carries out work in the area

From their home page:-

"Westgate P.A.S.T is a group of people who are interested in researching and preserving the history and heritage of the west end of Newcastle

Our objective is to build an archive of all the aspects of the area.

We have approximately 40,000 pictures including the demolition of Newcastle Breweries, the closing of the CO-OP the demolition of part of Eldon Square and many community events in the west end.

We also have a number of Audio interviews of local residents"

On this page also :- (This site is work in progress.But please email us with any comments or if you require any further details)



If not the same group, then another to consider

KEN
Actually no I was referring to the excellent Facebook group, here:

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Old-Pictures-Of-Newcastles-WEST-END-categorized/150729531607278

These facebook pages, such as that one and the superb Old Blaydon and Old Winlaton page are excellent resources, more for photos but they often lead to great informative discussions too.

http://www.facebook.com/groups/99612124161/10150528346319162/?notif_t=group_activity

As for the PAST site that you mention Ken it looks interesting but is it still 'alive' as nothing much appears to have happened for 9 months or so?
 

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Right I have a question!

I have to take "Newcastle upon Tyne a modern history" edited by Collis and Lancaster back to the library this morning (yes I know it's shocking that I don't own the greatest book that has been written about Newcastle) but I am intrigued by a reference on page 234 about "Gibson Town a coherently planned, almost self contained area of terraced streets and commercial buildings laid out between New Bridge Street and City Road between 1836 and 1848."
The footnote states that the architect was Thomas Oliver (!) and it was demolished in 1962-8.

I hope that the forum can shine light on this lost and I think probably important development.
 
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