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ok giati itan to rik(pu itan to mono kanali anyway)ke ola ta mme nic en xsekatharo..
ke to 1980 pou monoi pu ixan cash itan o dimosios tomeas pu itan na kami grafia o pilakoutas?paralimni?

imikratikoi same,arxi limenon ke afti nic an den itan kratika ta limania men leis tha ixe ta hq nic!!!!!
evalan tin eki,ti pio aplo file...
i primetel hq en lemeso maritime center...

men ise toso sigouros friend.


Panta yparxoun eksaireseis opos touti tis primetel, alla touto epibebaionei ton kanona..
H sizitisi arxise pou to oti i oikonomia tis leukosias den basizetai ston dimosio tomea alla ston idiotiko tomea...Alimono an ebasizetoun sto dimosio tomea re file me 300+ plythismo stin eparxia!

Pou pleuras anaptyksi theoro oti oi poleis tis kyprou tha prepei na epikentrothoun i kathe mia sto proion tis pou antanakla tzai sta sygkritika pleonektimata tis kathe mias enanti tis allis. Touto to modelo theoro en arketa petyximeno sti kypro me tin pafo tzai eleutheri ammoosto na epikentronontai ston tourismo (diaforetiko eidos i kathe mia), ti lemeso sta nautiliaka, offshore kai en meri tourismo kai ti leukosia stes ypiresies kai en meri stin paideia/ygeia/texnologia (tzai dame idiotikos tomeas).

H kypros en polla mitsis topos gia na sinagonizete i mia poli tin alli giati poli apla sto telos fkennoun oulles oi poleis zimiomenes. Prosopika theoro oti i anptyksi kai i diaforopoiisi tis anaptyksis tha eprepe na ginontai me basi ena kentriko plano alla touto en mia megali sizitisi!
 

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ok en ken na sizitoume ep apiro,apla epidi iparxoun merikes alithies na min tin xsexname,opws to oti itan proteuousa i nic ton kero pou itan central planed economy...
ke oti i pio poles kipriakes eteries exun ta hq tous eki den ine tixeo to oti edimiourgithikan eki ke oxi se mi proteuousa...

opws an den itan kratika ta limania den thatan i arxi limenon leukwsia...aplo,ke na min leme den exi kamia sxesi to oti en prwteuousa i nic :lol:

exi ke afto ine arketo....

"Pou pleuras anaptyksi theoro oti oi poleis tis kyprou tha prepei na epikentrothei i kathe mia sto proion tis pou antanakla"
ma pos? aman i kivernisi sirni stin larkaka apo mia pleura dilistiria ke apo tin ali aerodromio????
afto den ixe kamia chance na gini today(diilistiria stin thalasa mes tin poli)
ala palia no-problem afu moni poli itan i nic,ke apla zousan se kapies ales perioxes kapioi na litoutgoun limania ke xsenodoxia.fisika today is different.
(ala min xsexanate...)
 

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auto leo kai ego toso kairo, i kathe poli me ton rolo tis. ekama apires fores ti sizitisi auti sto forum i alithia.

tha dw to prwi ti sizitisi sas kopelia, an teliosete os tote :lol: kalinikta :sleepy:
 

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ok en ken na sizitoume ep apiro,apla epidi iparxoun merikes alithies na min tin xsexname,opws to oti itan proteuousa i nic ton kero pou itan central planed economy...
ke oti i pio poles kipriakes eteries exun ta hq tous eki den ine tixeo to oti edimiourgithikan eki ke oxi se mi proteuousa...

opws an den itan kratika ta limania den thatan i arxi limenon leukwsia...aplo,ke na min leme den exi kamia sxesi to oti en prwteuousa i nic :lol:

exi ke afto ine arketo....
e file min 3exnas oti polles apo autes tis eteries pou les egennithikan lefkosia dioti i lefkosia den eixe pote tourismo i na e3artate apo e3oterikous paragontes kai eprepe na evri alles lisis eisodimaton, ton kairo pou i lefkosia ekane epixirimatikes ypodomes oi alles poleis itan epikentromenes 90% ston tourismo. ti enna ekamnan ta HQ tis laikis p.x kapou allou dld? itan logiko.

auto dikaiologi giati ola vriskonte edw. den ta eklepse kanenas i ta evale me to zori. kapious elise to petsi tous na ta kamoun. as min gireukoun etima oi alles poleis, as dimiourgisoun kati monadiko oste na exoume enalaxtikes lisis se auto ton topo kai pikilomorfia.

oi parapano eteries en vathia rizomenes mes touti tin poli, ennen toso aplo oso to les. exoun istoria i kathe mia.

dld na rotiso kati, an eixame simera tin ammoxwsto i lemesos dld ti tha ekamne xoris limani? i i larnaka xoris aerodromio? sigoura o plithismos autos ton poleon tha itan o misos apo oti simera.
 

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e file min 3exnas oti polles apo autes tis eteries pou les egennithikan lefkosia dioti i lefkosia den eixe pote tourismo i na e3artate apo e3oterikous paragontes kai eprepe na evri alles lisis eisodimaton, ton kairo pou i lefkosia ekane epixirimatikes ypodomes oi alles poleis itan epikentromenes 90% ston tourismo. ti enna ekamnan ta HQ tis laikis p.x kapou allou dld? itan logiko.

auto dikaiologi giati ola vriskonte edw. den ta eklepse kanenas i ta evale me to zori.
ok vre file an itan i pafos proteuousa apo palia(oi na gini twra) pou tha itan i laiki?o plithismos thatan diaforetikos katarxas giati pio poloi tha pigenan na work pafo(proteuousa) ke na megalosi...(den isxii afto?)
to whole point en an i nic theli ke ala erga(tepak aspoume) gia na zisi i en arketo pos en proteuousa,kegw nmz en arketo...
 

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ok vre file an itan i pafos proteuousa apo palia(oi na gini twra) pou tha itan i laiki?o plithismos thatan diaforetikos katarxas giati pio poloi tha pigenan na work pafo(proteuousa) ke na megalosi...(den isxii afto?)
to whole point en an i nic theli ke ala erga(tepak aspoume) gia na zisi i en arketo pos en proteuousa,kegw nmz en arketo...
oxi re file en thelei to tepak gia na zisi. afou tora den to sizitame auto.

apla eipame exei 1 panepistimio tha to kratisi fisika, me nixia kai me dogkia, kai oxi opiso thmithi oti thelei sxoli na girizi pas to UCY.... aaaaaaxa exete polles sxoles ferte mian kai sto telos na men mini kamia. a exete polla kivernitika, kai sto telos pale na men mini kanena.

filae ta rouxa sou na exeis ta misa, etsi opos ekatantisame mes touto ton topo. epidi i kathe poli den 3eri kan ti rolo pezi mes touti tin xwra, theloun oulles ta idia kai ta idia, oulles panepistimia kratika, oulles kivernitika ktiria, oulles ta idia pramata. alla en oulles oi alles paraliakes to thema kai i mia en mes tis mesi xoris tpt pou ta fisika plouti tis xwras, oute limania, oute aerodromia, oute tourismo, oute tpt allo. na efarpa3oume tin lefkosia kai kanei.

na pw itan kai i lefkosia mia paraliaki poli as eginetoun to mirasi. alla den einai.

nai epofelite san prwteuousa, opos epofeliste esis apo tourismo, limania, aerodromia, ktlp. plironi kai i lefkosia forous ston KOT gia tis alles poleis kai forous gia touristika erga ktlp.
 

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oxi re file en thelei to tepak gia na zisi. afou tora den to sizitame auto.

apla eipame exei 1 panepistimio tha to kratisi fisika, me nixia kai me dogkia, kai oxi opiso thmithi oti thelei sxoli na girizi pas to UCY.... aaaaaaxa exete polles sxoles ferte mian kai sto telos na men mini kamia.
:) file kimithou an prepi ke mlm ales fores...
to discusion arxise pu ipa oti exi to u.c. ara kala ekame ke epie to tepak alou,ke na pai ke to axik lar afu ine proteuousa ke exi afta ta thetika(ke to trafic logo dimosion ipalilon)
 

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:) file kimithou an prepi ke mlm ales fores...
to discusion arxise pu ipa oti exi to u.c. ara kala ekame ke epie to tepak alou,ke na pai ke to axik lar afu ine proteuousa ke exi afta ta thetika(ke to trafic logo dimosion ipalilon)
as piasi kai to AXIK kai to OPEN. Next! :)

I Pafos ti tha paragkili simera? a nai, thelei tin sxoli arxaiologias epidi en i pio arxaia poli :cheers:

oti miniski ektethimeno kanena mina, prepei na prosexei pou kanenan pou to evale sto mmati. Mitsopoulos as poume :)

anw just kidding.

ti gnomi mas leme, alloi ti metaferoume parakato alloi ti kratoume gia emas.

goodnight
 

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stelioco theoro oti se mia sizitisi prepei na paroume to dedomeno oti i leukosia en proteuousa tzai na to theorisoume os to sygkritiko tis pleonektima pou tes alles poleis.
To epixeirima gia central managed economy to 1980 en stekei idiaitera giati apla tin tote epoxi i oikonomia ekame stofi pou protobathmia oikonomia (georgoktinotrofiki) se defterobathmia (elafra biomixania) - lanthasmena gia mena exasame mia dekaetia prin pame stin tritobathmia (ypiresies) ti dekaetia tou 1990. Sto stadio pou i Kypros ekame strofi sti defterovathmia oikonomia i lemesos eixe ti merida tou leontos logo tou oti eixe to limani konta opote ta pleista ergostasia itan lemeso.

Otan to mondello touto edeikse na men pollotraba i lemesos egyrise to ston tourismo kai ta nautiliaka kai den egyrise na dei ton tomea ton ypiresion para mono meta to 2000 otan o tourismos eftase ston koresmo tou. H leukosia ypoxreothike apo ti dekaetia tou 90na kamei strofi pou tin elafria biomixania ston tomea ton ypiresion. Eixe nai kapoio pleonektima alla as mi ksexname oti se touto to tomea empike mia dekaetia toulaxiston pio noris pou tin lemeso.

Oso gia ti larnaca prosopika theoro tin tin pio adikimeni poli afou peran pou to aerodromio itan diaxronika i poli me ta ligotera anaptyksiaka erga...an kai touto arxise siga siga na allazei..
 

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den ipa gia axik egw,ime stelios egw oi kinos pu isigithike.ipa ti akoustike.........

to thema merikes fores en ke giati den ginan apo tin arxi alou episis...

axik se mia pio touristiki poli isos?
 

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stelioco theoro oti se mia sizitisi prepei na paroume to dedomeno oti i leukosia en proteuousa tzai na to theorisoume os to sygkritiko tis pleonektima pou tes alles poleis.
To epixeirima gia central managed economy to 1980 en stekei idiaitera giati apla tin tote epoxi i oikonomia ekame stofi pou protobathmia oikonomia (georgoktinotrofiki) se defterobathmia (elafra biomixania) - lanthasmena gia mena exasame mia dekaetia prin pame stin tritobathmia (ypiresies) ti dekaetia tou 1990. Sto stadio pou i Kypros ekame strofi sti defterovathmia oikonomia i lemesos eixe ti merida tou leontos logo tou oti eixe to limani konta opote ta pleista ergostasia itan lemeso.

Otan to mondello touto edeikse na men pollotraba i lemesos egyrise to ston tourismo kai ta nautiliaka kai den egyrise na dei ton tomea ton ypiresion para mono meta to 2000 otan o tourismos eftase ston koresmo tou. H leukosia ypoxreothike apo ti dekaetia tou 90na kamei strofi pou tin elafria biomixania ston tomea ton ypiresion. Eixe nai kapoio pleonektima alla as mi ksexname oti se touto to tomea empike mia dekaetia toulaxiston pio noris pou tin lemeso.

Oso gia ti larnaca prosopika theoro tin tin pio adikimeni poli afou peran pou to aerodromio itan diaxronika i poli me ta ligotera anaptyksiaka erga...an kai touto arxise siga siga na allazei..
its ok gnight...
xerome omws pu simfonas oti sta 90s den eginan osa eprepe
(oi erga enoo changes stin oikonomia)
ke i lar en i pio adikimeni poli
 

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Prosopika ti 10etia tou 1980 theoro tin xameni dekaetia an ekseresoume kapoia erga ston tomea tou tourismou kai ta erga ydatikis anaptyksis (fragmata, notios agogos klp)

Oso gia tes sxoles tou TEPAK prosopika imoun pou tzinous pou esimfonousan na ginei to TEPAK sti Lemeso, parapano giati oi lemesianoi logo tou oti en exoun allo panepistimio itan na to agkaliasoun. Imoun sfodra enantion omos gia ti Nosileutiki sxoli pou i ypodomi itan etoimi idi sti leukosia (kainourgio ktirio sto Neo Nosokomeio Leukosias) alla tzai epeidi i Iatriki Sxoli enna ginei sto UCY. Dame etheorisa to kathara yfarpagi mias sxolis pou den ekolla me tipote sto TEPAK.
 

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sxoli kalon texnon?
tou tepak?
(last4tonight) :lol:
eipamenta kai gia auto ti ginete. i sxoli kalwn texnwn itan mia sxoli pou den ypagete pouthena, 2 panepistimia tin diekdikoun, kaneis den eipe oti aniki se kapia poli. apla efkike o ypourgos paideias kai kotsianiasentin stin lemeso xoris na akolouthisi tin swsti odo kai idou to fagoma pou egine. oi men nomizoun en diki tous kai alloi pale nomizoun en diki tous. to pio gelio autos o ypourgos pou itan antipritanis tin topothetouse lefkosia, otan egine ypourgos tin topothetouse lemeso. e kati pezete me touton ton anthrwpo, kati den paei kala. to idio ekamne kai gia tin politistiki prwteuousa, fkenei kai leei oti thelei.

tora san diakanonismos lexthike na dimiourgithoun 2 sxoles me diaforetikous kladous spoudon i kathe mia analogos tou panepistimiou pou vriskonte kai me tis paremferi sxoles tou.

emena i gnomi mou oti i palia poli tis lefkosias xriazete mia sxolh tetias embeleias me polla parakladia kai tmhmata. mono 1 tmhma opos en i arxitektoniki p.x den mbori na kami tpt, apo tin alli i lemesos exei idi sto kentro tis polles sxoles, apla auti tha einai kati plus sto olo ergo. sigoura se kamia alli poli den tha leitourgouse i sxoli apo moni tis dioti xriazete kai ena panepistimio dipla tis, epidi auti i sxolh sinleitourga me alles sxoles ton panepistimion. so gia larnaka, pafo ktlp to apokliw.

anw both are happy now. so den exei tpt na sizitoume pleon gia auti ti sxolh.

simfono me to thema tis nosileutikis, kat emena nosileutiki + iatriki pan mazi kai xoria den mboroune me liga logia, gia auto panta oi nosileutikes mas itan dipla apo nosokomeia i mesa se nosokomeia. idios to pio gelio oti to ktirio tha mini keno gia 3-4 xronia mexri to kratos na apofasisi na proxorisi me tin iatriki kai apo tin alli na 3odeyei alla tosa ekatomiria gia nees ypodomes xoris logo.

esas to thema pia en i gnomi sas pano se auto to thema, vrisketeto logiko?
 

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to tepak ofelise mono tin poli, alla se kamia periptosi den anaferete o oros fititis. prepei na valoun mia taxi, an to tepak eginen gia na e3ipiretisi tin poli i tous fitites, exei kapio balance auto? i vari p.x 70% gia tin poli kai 30% gia tous fitites oso afora swstes ypodomes kai katamerismo xrhmatwn.
Twra les oti i palia Lefkosia xreiazetai mia sxoli kalwn texnwn sto kentro. Pws tha eksipiretisei afto tous foitites (opws grafeis pio panw) na talaiporountai sto kentro tis polis pou kata geniki paradoxi einai egklovismeni sto kykloforiako xaos?? Gia tous foitites to kaneis H gia tin poli? Kai giati se peirazei to TEPAK sto kentro tis polis alla theleis na ginei to idio stin Lefkosia?

Nomizw kathe fora allazeis gnwmi analoga me tin poli kai sy. Den einai mono o ypourgos paideias.
 

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Twra les oti i palia Lefkosia xreiazetai mia sxoli kalwn texnwn sto kentro. Pws tha eksipiretisei afto tous foitites (opws grafeis pio panw) na talaiporountai sto kentro tis polis pou kata geniki paradoxi einai egklovismeni sto kykloforiako xaos?? Gia tous foitites to kaneis H gia tin poli? Kai giati se peirazei to TEPAK sto kentro tis polis alla theleis na ginei to idio stin Lefkosia?

Nomizw kathe fora allazeis gnwmi analoga me tin poli kai sy. Den einai mono o ypourgos paideias.
kala re ego eipa oti epidi en sto palio kentro tis lemesou den e3ipireta tous fitities? auto pou sizitousame xthes einai oti agorastikan akatallila ktiria kai oti oi sxoles en para polles gia to palio kentro kai den mboroun na kalipsoun tis anagkes pollon fititon, metafrazoumenta opos theloume? eipa ego pirazime to tepak sto kentro tis polis? kyrie leison, ekatalave kanenas tpt etsi? esizitousame tin epistoli tou antwni loizou pou anaferotan oti to tepak den mbori me liga logia na vali oles tis sxoles sto palio kentro kai prepei na bgei kai ektos.

mia sxolh e3ipireta kai ta palia kentra kai tous fitites an yparxoun oi katalliles ypodomes kai na ginete kai to sosto balancing.

o dhmos eidi troxodroma tin dimiourgia mikron leoforion (nicosia shuttles) pou tha enonoun to panepistimio kai tis esties me tin palia poli, kai genika olo to kentro. to palio kentro episis exei polla spitia, diamerismata kai o fititis oute kan tha fefkei apo ekei. oso gia tous allous sigoura tha pernoun apo traffic, opos pernoun se oles tis polis gia na pan kapou.

tora mia sxolh ton 500 atomon max, pos tha pni3i tin palia poli en a3io aporias. idi i palia poli exei to 1/5 ton katikon pou mbori na filo3enisi dioti ta parapano en ofkera. sigoura 2000+ fitites den mbori na tous e3ipiretisi opos en simera i katastasi, tote tha gini panikos. sto mellon an pezodromopihthi i poli kai ginoun perimetrika parking kai kales sigkinonies tote einai eukolo.

ma an thorite 1-2 posts kai oxi ola, kai petaseste kai lete vasi enos post tote na men simmetexete, dete oles tis sizitisis kai meta na grafete katigories.

opios thelei allos as to eipe mazi me ton ypourgo paideias. yparxoun diadikasies kai meletes pou prepei na lifthoun ypopsi, tis opies etimase to kathe panepistimio, an leei o kathenas ti gnomi tou kai to simferon tou tote den tha fkoume pouthena.

anw afou tha ginoun 2 analogos ton sxolon.
 

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to tepak ofelise mono tin poli, alla se kamia periptosi den anaferete o oros fititis. prepei na valoun mia taxi, an to tepak eginen gia na e3ipiretisi tin poli i tous fitites, exei kapio balance auto? i vari p.x 70% gia tin poli kai 30% gia tous fitites
koita, mporei na min grafw syxna sta forums alla diavazw ola osa grafontai. An eixa ton xrono tha sou evaza dika sou arthra ek diametrou antitheta, arthra pou tin mia lene to ena kai tin alli lene to antitheto (analoga gia pia poli milas). Episis me dyskoleveis dioti kathe ligo kaneis edit ta arthra sou (opws fenetai pio panw sta teleftaia 2 pou egrapses) me apotelesma na min mporw na vrw ta arxika sou logia.

Kapote tha efkairisw kai tha sou ta parathesw (yposxesi einai afto).
 

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koita, mporei na min grafw syxna sta forums alla diavazw ola osa grafontai. An eixa ton xrono tha sou evaza dika sou arthra ek diametrou antitheta, arthra pou tin mia lene to ena kai tin alli lene to antitheto (analoga gia pia poli milas).

Kapote tha efkairisw kai tha sou ta parathesw (yposxesi einai afto).
varta kato opote thes. den eimai kanenas politikos kai kamno proeklogiki ekstrateia kai tha 3ithapsis to parelthon mou. na omologo oti palia eimoun antithetos na paei to tepak lemeso gia tous logous pou anafera palia kai en exo ore3i na analio ston kathe neo user pou mbenei edw, kai osoi en palioi dame to 3eroun.

tora i katastasi en alios, ti na sou pw to xonepsa? nai.

tora to oti thelo mia sxolh mes tin palia poli se enoxlise? apanta mou se ekeina pou grafo kai arketa me katigories. en ginete oti grapsoume na petasete kapios kai na leei oti katigoroume tin lemeso ktlp.
 
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