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What would it most likely be? The current conservative party is at record highs, and the Liberals will hold a leadership race in December. It will be quite close. I hope the Bloc will benefit. Gilles Duceppe would make a great prime Minister.
 

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I could only wish the Greens got 50 plus seats :cheers:
Not gona happen with this system.....
There is no way the Bloc could get a minority....
 

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there is a chance about the bloc , Harpers Ball of Power is gaining momentum in Quebec now .
 

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maybe people are starting to figure out that he is the most HONEST Canadian politician . Now that should draw some fire from others .
Anyways , He more or less does what he says, good or bad. name another government in recent time that has done what it said it would do?

By the way how much did the Gun registry end up really costing canadians ? oh right , Nearly $2 billion has either been spent on or committed to the federal program since it was introduced in the mid-1990s, according to documents obtained by Zone Libre of CBC's French news service.
hmmm ...

mind you others say that In the end, the cost of the registry stood at $946 million at the end of 2005, slightly below the $1 billion estimate, says the auditor general.

so who knows , but we'd never know if YOU NOW WHO was in charge.
 
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OK, could someone explain to me how the hell Harper could get a majority? In the Tory thread, over 50% of people are against Harper. I need an explanation.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=343602
pretty simple how harper gets a majority with 50 percent of the people here being agianst him. This is a place inwhich you have people contributing to a forum with an interest in architecture, urban issues and citys. With that type of interest you are looking at left leaning people in general who would be agaisnt harper or any conservative. Even in the real world of canadian politics the math is very simple with four parties. 41 percent of popular opinion running in the Tories favor makes a majority as the other parties divide the rest between them with uneven amounts. You have many three way races that the tories claim seats running up the middle between liberals and Ndp who tend to have similair type bases to a smaller right wing base of the tories that is seen by many outside the party to be just right of centre. That is the view in western canada, parts of rural ontario and the atlantic provinces. The three major cities didnt elect harper. The cities like calgary, edmonton were part of the rural vote that spread out evenly is huge in canada. The tories Breakthru in Quebec was for two reasons . rural eastern townships turning to what they feel is the only really federalist party. The colapse in confidence by quebec in the Liberals as a federalist representive for quebec.
A new minority government will always become a majority government unless you have a major confidence problem with the first period of the new government . Joe Clarke fits the bill. Harper is not turning out to be the scary tory monster for the public at large and is actually gaining popularity. The liberals are being painted in a bad light with new reports coming out by the hands of the tories. The auditor generals report on the gun registry comes to mind. The scraping of long gun registry but not restricted weapons and hand guns plays very well to a rural base of support for the tories. The keeping of the handgun registry reaches out to URBAN voters who may see more law and order with a conservative government.
steve harper is very politically smart and with a booming economy that has nothing to do with Harpers direction, atleast yet, There is no compelling reason to change things back to scandal and dubin inquiries which dogged Paul Martin. The Tories have not been in long enough to create a scandal that will stick.
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I'm a bit torn. I really like my MP (a Liberal) but can't stand any of the candidates for Liberal party leadership. There is no way that I would ever vote NDP and for some reason I'm still a bit squeamish about the Conservatives (although I think Harper has performed better than I had originally thought he would).

If there was a Bloc candidate for Kitchener Centre, then he or she would get my vote simply for the novelty value. :)

I think a Conservative majority.
 

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Jonestowncultinpicto said:
pretty simple how harper gets a majority with 50 percent of the people here being agianst him. This is a place inwhich you have people contributing to a forum with an interest in architecture, urban issues and citys. With that type of interest you are looking at left leaning people in general who would be agaisnt harper or any conservative. Even in the real world of canadian politics the math is very simple with four parties. 41 percent of popular opinion running in the Tories favor makes a majority as the other parties divide the rest between them with uneven amounts. You have many three way races that the tories claim seats running up the middle between liberals and Ndp who tend to have similair type bases to a smaller right wing base of the tories that is seen by many outside the party to be just right of centre. That is the view in western canada, parts of rural ontario and the atlantic provinces. The three major cities didnt elect harper. The cities like calgary, edmonton were part of the rural vote that spread out evenly is huge in canada. The tories Breakthru in Quebec was for two reasons . rural eastern townships turning to what they feel is the only really federalist party. The colapse in confidence by quebec in the Liberals as a federalist representive for quebec.
A new minority government will always become a majority government unless you have a major confidence problem with the first period of the new government . Joe Clarke fits the bill. Harper is not turning out to be the scary tory monster for the public at large and is actually gaining popularity. The liberals are being painted in a bad light with new reports coming out by the hands of the tories. The auditor generals report on the gun registry comes to mind. The scraping of long gun registry but not restricted weapons and hand guns plays very well to a rural base of support for the tories. The keeping of the handgun registry reaches out to URBAN voters who may see more law and order with a conservative government.
steve harper is very politically smart and with a booming economy that has nothing to do with Harpers direction, atleast yet, There is no compelling reason to change things back to scandal and dubin inquiries which dogged Paul Martin. The Tories have not been in long enough to create a scandal that will stick.
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Yes, but I'm afraid that in order to snap a majority, you need to have some MPs from major cities like Toronto, Vancouver, and Montreal. Plus, Harper is merely a puppet controlled by the hands of George W. Bush himself, so whenever Harper is PM, George Bush is running the country. No different from Tony Blair and John Howard. Canada does not need that.

The polls are favoring the Conservatives because the Liberals are leaderless.

PS. The two forumers who voted for Bloc, I know you're being sarcastic.
 
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Yes, but I'm afraid that in order to snap a majority, you need to have some MPs from major cities like Toronto, Vancouver, and Montreal. Plus, Harper is merely a puppet controlled by the hands of George W. Bush himself, so whenever Harper is PM, George Bush is running the country. No different from Tony Blair and John Howard. Canada does not need that.

The polls are favoring the Conservatives because the Liberals are leaderless.

PS. The two forumers who voted for Bloc, I know you're being sarcastic.
And what can canada aspire to with the NDP for example to be just like Sweden?
That was always the talk from the NDP for example and the questions I always raised was why would we want to work until october 31 to have tax freedom every year and why would be aspire to be a country outside the G7 economic block? Swedens multi-nationals are mostly owned and controlled by Americans and Finnish multi-nationals. Saab owned is by GM, Volvo owned by Ford and Stora owned by ENso of Finland. The problem is heavy taxation like swedens and other western european social democracies general weaken their industries to become take over targets by capitalist nation base multi nationals. No country is an island even if it is called the european union.

If the liberals are the alternative then lets see the broaders closed to softwood lumber exports to our biggest trading partner the United States. Like it or not the united states of america is on our continent ironically called North America not North Acanada.

Sorry to burst your left leaning socialist bubble but the tories will probably be in for atleast 8 years as the history of the 1980's is repeating itself with conservative presidents and prime ministers in the white house , 10 downing street and 22 sussex drive. Tony blair even though a labour party leader is just right of center and the left has no champion in that country. If the population is to punish tony blair for IRAQ then they have no choice but to vote tory and go further to the right.

As far as a majority and citys like toronto and vancouver needed that is totally false. The gun registry will increase his share of rural canada, Steve harpers stand on the seal protestors in atlantic canada will probably double if not have the conservative sweep newfoundland and make in roads in lberal dominated prince edward island,cape breton and the acadian shore of new brunswick. The new found tories seats in quebec will be increased and you will see some suburban ridings on the GTA and Vancouver go tory in light of the increased income tax emeption of 10000 dollars. toronto and vancouver could vote ndp and liberal all they want but the tories will gain their majority speaking to farmers,fishermen and truckers drinking tim hortons coffee/beer drinkers not Art college students and squeegee kids drinking Starbucks/Red Bull drinkers on Young street.


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Some good arguments by all here :cheers:

Jim Jones, I gota ask though, what is wrong with being like Sweden? Might need to check on this but according to UN (One of the humanitarian divisions) Sweden is the best place to live in the world right now......

Being a welfare state does not mean you are anti-business...

As for the softwood lumber, that is a national disgrace, can't only blame Libs or Cons here, we should not be as dependant on the USA as we are, and getting screwed by the softwood lumber is an example, I say screw the whole system, sell lumber to China/India/EU....they need these resources a lot, especially China, Im thinking they would give us a better deal, who knows tho....

As for your Tony Blair point, couldn't have said it better my self :cheers:

As for cities, I still think these will be Liberal strongholds for a while....
 
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Some good arguments by all here :cheers:

Jim Jones, I got a ask though, what is wrong with being like Sweden? Might need to check on this but according to UN (One of the humanitarian divisions) Sweden is the best place to live in the world right now......

Being a welfare state does not mean you are anti-business...

As for the softwood lumber, that is a national disgrace, can't only blame Libs or Cons here, we should not be as dependant on the USA as we are, and getting screwed by the softwood lumber is an example, I say screw the whole system, sell lumber to China/India/EU....they need these resources a lot, especially China, Im thinking they would give us a better deal, who knows tho....

As for your Tony Blair point, couldn't have said it better my self :cheers:

As for cities, I still think these will be Liberal strongholds for a while....

Well if driving your iconic swedish companies into the arms of foriegn multi-nationals is good then sweden must be the best place in the world. We have a good amount of that in canada of course.It is not that a givernment is anti business it is that you dont have the incentive to grow a business there with the high taxation. That can tend to bite you in the ass hard. The Best form of socialism is a JOB.The best creator of JOBS is Free market economies with little government intervention. Sorry The America is the model for that and it is now becoming what China is copying. Having the conditions inwhich every possible able body person works is the objective. If you are keep care of cradle to grave then you will end up like sweden having to supply the NAZI in world war two with iron ore for the NAZI war machine. There may be a high moral standards behind a socialist sweden but considering that past you really have to ask Moral on one hand and total wrong on the other.
With the Cities of Toronto and Vancouver you really have a split between the NDp and the Liberals in seats. I am sure there will be GTA and vancouver seats going to the the conservatives in the next election but they are really more concerned with TIM hortons drinking crowd. There is still room to grow in seat numbers in Atlantic Canada , Quebec , rural Ontario and western canada. The Urban crowd cost money in large ammounts to vote for you. The Rural areas you are looking at simple thing like Gun Control, The seal hunt and animals rights activist interferance. Taking away the gun registry for rural canada costs nothing but rolls back government intervention that both the NDP and Liberals are known for. That will probably alone add 10 seats thru out the country. The sealing issue and harpers support didn t cost a dime but will pay hugely politically in atlantic canada. I would say you are looking at 10 more seats between Nova Scotia, PEI, Newfoundland, New Brunswick and the Gaspe region of quebec where conservative canidates ran close seconds to bloc candidates with the liberal trailing in third. The magdeline islands which is part of the Gaspe election district would probably make harper the king at the polls for that one gesture . Saying no meeting to pam anderson or paul mac cartney was a huge gesture for atlantic canadians in rural communities and it Cost absolutely nothing. Even urban voters may have a change of heart and vote tory as the gun registry being kept for hand guns and restricted weapons goes to the vore of a hot button issue of crime and violence with guns in metro areas like toronto and vancouver. It shows that Mr. Harper has a grasp on the issues that concern ordinary canadians which support Tim Hortons to the point of having 65 percent of the coffee and donut market in the entire country. As for softwood lumber we are selling to all those places but america will always be very important to us as it is the universal currency everyone desires. The american dollar. The other great advantage for lumber sales to the united states is the employment of trucks and trains from our side of the broader compared to foriegn owned fleets for the great part that transport shipments of lumber overseas. Like I said before the best form of socialism is a JOB and the greatest instrument is selling to our neighboors south of the broader who will use our lumber more then the asians and europeans will buy lumber from Scandinavia, Russia and Siberia.

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^^Hmm, you prove some good points, especially the idea that jobs are socialism, which is prety much right on, although I have to ask, do you have any sources for foreign owned companies in Sweden? Il try to ask some of the Swedish forumers as well...

lol I like the tim hortons references, and its true appeasing more rural communities is a good strategy, and it does make more sense to go after thesse votes instead of GTA, Vancouver and Montréal votes....

Your right as well about your point on lumber, I just think its not a good idea to be too dependant on the US economy
 

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Jonestowncultinpicto said:
The Best form of socialism is a JOB.The best creator of JOBS is Free market economies with little government intervention. Sorry The America is the model for that and it is now becoming what China is copying.
Market failures are an inevitable part of a free market economy, and when they happen, jobs disappear and poverty results. Lack of regulation brings all kinds of other safety, environmental, and lifestyle quality issues, as well. The people of the Dickens era would likely not agree with your simple assesment.


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Having the conditions inwhich every possible able body person works is the objective.
The objective of the free market is not to employ every able bodied person. In fact, that could not be further from the truth.

I'll ignore the rest of your run-on for now. Please format your posts in an intelligable style.
 
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