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In most developed countries (which should include Romania), the planning process is something like this;

* political agreement to build and fund a motorway (there could be years or even decades of political talk before this).
* design a preliminary alignment, with several alternatives
* public hearing
* publishing a preferred alternative + environmental impact statement
* public comment
* publishing a final EIS
* public can appeal
* court decide about the appeals
* tender
* court handles possible tender appeals from constructors.

Building a court-proof EIS takes around 1 - 1.5 years. A typical EIS is around 1,000 pages. Public hearings and commenting periods are usually at least 6 weeks, but are often longer in the initial stage. Then most projects will go to court. It usually takes at least half a year to get a project through court, but in most countries it takes longer, 1 - 2 years is not unheard of. That assumes that the project will not fail before the judge. Then you have to go through land acquisition and possible appeals during the tender process.

Most countries do not achieve this in less than 5 years.
Well, Romania is not a developed country so some of those steps do not apply:
- there is no political agreement about motorway construction, each party that gets into power has its own plans which are in general different from the ones of other parties
- I haven't heard of the possibility of the public to make comments or to appeal the EIS
 

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^^ So far the general public had nothing to say regarding the motorway construction in Romania. The public wasn't asked anything and they didn't say anything...
 

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To change the topic from motorways to rural roads. I will quote here one of my posts from the Romanian section regarding the quality of rural roads (Drumuri Judetene = County Roads). As you will see in my post below, the quality of this roads varies a lot, from modern and paved road, to rural dirt road, although if you look on a map, all this roads look the same.

Vreau sa va prezint o problema, din punctul meu de vedere, a Drumurilor Judetene din Romania. Conform wikipedia, lungimea totala a Drumurilor Judetene din Romania este de 35.048 km, din care 24.100 sunt cu imbracaminte rutiera moderna (asfalt sau beton rutier), iar 10.948 km sunt neasfaltati. Pentru cei care nu stiu, intretinerea si modernizarea Drumurilor Judetene din Romania intra in sarcina Consiliului Judetean pe raza caruia sa afla respectivul Drum Judetean.

Problema mea este legata de calitatea acestor drumuri care, chiar daca pe harta arata toate la fel (ca Drum Judetean), in realitate sunt extrem de diferite. Si am sa exemplific:

Drum Judetean de calitate foarte buna, cu 4 benzi. Sunt putine ce-i drept, dar ele exista. Exemplu: DJ682



Drum Judetean de calitate foarte buna cu 2 benzi (1 pe sens). Exemplu: DJ709B



Drum Judetean intr-o zona mai greu accesibila (deal/munte) de calitate buna, cu 2 benzi. Exemplu: DJ708



Drum Judetean in zona mai greu accesibila (deal) de calitate buna, dar doar cu 1 banda. Exemplu:



Drum Judetean la care vechimea structurii rutiere, lipsa intretinerii si traficul greu isi spun cuvantul. Exemplu: DJ709



Drum Judetean cu 2 benzi, dar cu platforma drumului mai mica (drum mai ingust), plus intretinere necorespunzatoare. Exemplu: DJ793



Drum Judetean, teoretic cu 2 benzi si tot teoretic asfaltat, dar care se afla intr-o stare deplorabila. Exemplu: DJ708



Drum judetean recent reabilitate si asfaltat, dar la care asfaltul se termina brusc si fara avertisment, continuand cu acelasi Drum Judetean, dar pietruit. Exemplu: DJ708



Drum Judetean cu pavaj din piatra cubica. Exemplu: DJ708



Drum Judetean neasfaltat (pietruit). Exemplu: DJ708



Drum Judetean din zona montana. Exemplu: DJ750



Observati varietatea foarte mare a Drumurilor Judetene din Romania. Nu intamplator am dat exemplu de multe ori Drumul Judetean 708, a carui calitate variaza de la "proaspat asfaltat" la "drum pietruit", trecand prin "pavaj din piatra cubica" sau "drum 'teoretic' asfaltat".

2 intrebari de final:
1. Daca eu doresc sa imi planific o calatorie cu masina si am ca variante si Drumuri Judetene, de unde stiu eu care este calitatea acelui Drum Judetean?
2. Nu s-ar putea face o re-catalogare a drumurilor din Romania (DN/DJ/DC) astfel incat sa tina cont si de starea lor?
 

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Ehh, this would make Romania a dictatorship if you can't appeal to projects that may impact you. :nuts:
Of course, romanian can. Otherwise it would be a breach of EU law. I guess our dear forumers are just not familiar with where to look for those meetings.

However, I think it is a separate topic how much the expressed concerns on this meetings are taken into consideration if there is "strong political will"...
 

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A1 motorway between Orastie and Sibiu is almost ready. 60 km (out of total 82 km) will open next week. Here are a few photos a Romanian forum member shot today:









You can check all the photos on the Romanian thread (on this page, and on the next page).
 

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No, the general speed limit on motorways in Romania is 130 km/h. I think that sign is there to remind you this.
 
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CONSTRUIM-ROMANIA initiative

On December 19 , Romanian motorway network will pass another milestone of 600 km. I thought yesterday that it will take decades until we have modern motorways in Romania , and today we are talking about a network . And only a few years separate us from the first complete east-west motorway from Nădlac in Constanta .

With motorway network our community grew also. Our volunteer reporters became more and by their great effort we got to know every day , as the sites evolve , what are the issues and what are the solutions . In a few years I managed to lift the veil of lack of information about major infrastructure works .

Our voice has become stronger, our information more valuable and our opinions more valued.

Inauguration of Sibiu - Orastie A1 sections on Thursday, December 19, 2013 , is also our celebration . We invite you to meet as many in this event and traverse along the new sections !

We all know that in Romania motorway construction should continue at the same pace , realistic projects funded plans , with no gaps and virtual motorways . Romania needs completion of A1 , as she planned for two decades , the route Sibiu - Pitesti. Let's say all this.



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According to the masterplan, Iasi-Tg Neamt will be built by 2020. Tg Mures-Tg Neamt will be built later on.
Mane, eu iti zic pe romaneste, poate pe englezeste nu intelegi: NU AVEM MASTERPLAN. Nu mai induce lumea in eroare sau oroare, wtf is wrong with you?!

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@English speaking dudes. Please understand this: Romania has no transport/infrastructure masterplan (yet). Period.
 

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@English speaking dudes. Please understand this: Romania has no transport/infrastructure masterplan (yet). Period.
How can I trust this, when your own masterplan:
On Sep 12, 2011, I took the decision to STOP posting infrastructure updates & pictures, comments or any other type of post on SSC. The decision is final and is long overdue.
is a blatant lie, as by posting you break it? and you weren't just posting, but posting on something that you specifically say you wouldn't.

Now I can understand the hostility to treating the politicians' map as unchangeable - especially since the last 'masterplan' got unceremoniously binned and replaced with this. But no one is. The people who treated a promise and a 'masterplan' like holy writ were those who had their heads in the sand about the change of plan - they were in denial that the previous plan wasn't going ahead.

Most of the recent argument, after publication of the 'masterplan', was a semantic battle after Le Clerk used the word as shorthand. As a native English speaker, it clearly is a masterplan as it is a long-term strategy and lays out (albeit at a high-level) what will be built, when, and with what money. We have the press release version for general consumption, so it won't have detailed stuff: that will come as tenders are opened, contracts signed, etc.

I've read UK white papers, such as Roads for Prosperity, and it they are short (Roads for Prosperity is a list of schemes, a map of schemes and a load of unimportant information). I've also skimmed 100-page reports like the SELNEC report. Both were masterplans, but the latter showed their working as well as giving the answer.

While we'd love the working to be shown, the absence of it in publication of the answer doesn't stop it being a 'masterplan'.
 

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UK firm AECOM won the contract for the development of the Romanian transportation masterplan last year, and I am sure the high-level document published by the Gov, and posted here earlier, is based on the bits in the AECOM report, which has not yet been made public - we do not know whether it is yet in its final form either, or if it will become entirely public. The strategy change making Brasov a transportation hub may have been suggested by this consultant.

Aecom wins to £1.8M contract to develop transport masterplan for Romania
7 May, 2012 | By NCE Editorial


Aecom’s UK transport team has been appointed by the Romanian Ministry of Transport and Infrastructure to develop a masterplan and development strategy for its national transportation system.

The masterplan will have a short, medium and long term outlook, and will contain infrastructure and policy instruments for all transport modes, including road, rail, air, Constanta Port and navigation of the Danube River, with an emphasis on sustainability. The value of the contract is 9.5 million Romanian Lei, around £1.8M.

It is a high priority project for Romania as the outputs are the key step in unlocking funding from the European Union, amounting to hundreds of millions of euros for Romania’s infrastructure over the next programming period of 2014 to 2020.

The National Transport Model, which will be developed as part of the project, will provide the analytical support for funding applications to the EU Cohesion Fund for the 2014-2020 programming period.

The Aecom project team will be led from the company’s Bucharest office and supported by experts from the UK.
 

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Mane, eu iti zic pe romaneste, poate pe englezeste nu intelegi: NU AVEM MASTERPLAN. Nu mai induce lumea in eroare sau oroare, wtf is wrong with you?!

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@English speaking dudes. Please understand this: Romania has no transport/infrastructure masterplan (yet). Period.
Yes I live in Italy and understand this, still Le Clerk does help keep this thread alive and makes it quite entertaining...
yet how people who live in Romania and should be more knowledgable, believe all this stuff is beyond me.
 

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Just to make it clear for everyone: AECOM's deadline for the delivery of the study is July 2014. However, bits of the study, which is officially the transport masterplan, have emerged previously in the media. That is why I have referred to that Gov plan as a masterplan, because it contains the overall results of the AECOM work.
 

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^^ Please call it plan instead of masterplan to restore peace!
 
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