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Phase 6
Land adjacent to Beresford Street and Woolwich High Street


Application

Planning Application: 13/0117/O [Greenwich]

Date of submission: 18 January 2013

Date of decision: 25 April 2013

Status: Approved yesterday (3-2 decision)



Phase details

Residential units: 2,032

Non residential floorspace: 2,442 m²









 

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Phase 5
No. 1 Street, Warren Lane Gate, Woolwich, SE18


Application

Planning Application: 12/1168/F [Greenwich]

Date of submission: 3 May 2012

Date of decision: 5 February 2013

Status: Under Construction



Phase details

Residential units: 92



 

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News about yesterday's Phase 6 decision, as reported in the local paper:


Woolwich 21 storey high tower block Royal Arsenal will have "detrimental" effect on residents
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26 April 2013​
WOOLWICH’S skyline is set to be “detrimentally” changed after a tower block of up to 21 storeys high was given the go ahead at a planning meeting last night.

A Greenwich Council planning committee backed the Royal Arsenal development which will see giant blocks of between 14 and 21 storeys tower behind historic sites such as the Royal Artillery building.

Woolwich Riverside ward councillor Cllr John Fahy fears the development is not in the interest of residents and is concerned about the impact on views from the town as well as the loss of the waterfront park.

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Following the approval of Phase 6 in April, the over-station phase has been approved this week:

Green light for Royal Arsenal homes
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3 June 2013

Council approves latest phase of over-station development in south-east London

PRP Architects has received planning consent for the latest phase of its over-station development at Royal Arsenal Riverside in Woolwich, east London.

The two blocks, reaching 10 and 20 storeys in height, will provide 219 homes and are part of a wider project planned for the site, which will sit above the new Crossrail station.

Richard Harvey, director at PRP, said: “This phase of the Royal Arsenal Riverside will both physically and visibly contribute to the overall regeneration of the wider area, becoming a landmark for the new Crossrail development and raising aspiration with the provision of high quality mixed tenure homes in south-east London.”
 

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The Mayor lends his support to phase 6:


Mayor of London Gives Woolwich Thumbs Up
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19 June 2013

The Mayor of London, Boris Johnson, has decided to back the approval by the Royal Borough of Greenwich for a huge new development at Warren Waterfront.

Developed by Berkeley Homes and designed by Allies and Morrison, the revised scheme is an outline planning application for a massive 2,032 new residential units (approximately 31% will be affordable) plus 2,442 square metres of mixed use space ranging from offices and retail to leisure.

The site is a total of 6.3 hectares on the western end of the old Royal Arsenal, effectively the area that is outside the conservation area and which contains no listed buildings making redevelopment substantially easier.

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It amazes me how much has been built (and is proposed) at Woolwich. CLearly Crossrail will provide a step change in transport if the station is built but the transport is so poor around there at the moment, and the area not great, it puzzles me who is actually buying and living in these new properties. If stuff can get built here it should be able to get built anywhere in London and is a bit of a daming indictment on those development areas that have stalled.
 

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It amazes me how much has been built (and is proposed) at Woolwich. CLearly Crossrail will provide a step change in transport if the station is built but the transport is so poor around there at the moment, and the area not great, it puzzles me who is actually buying and living in these new properties. If stuff can get built here it should be able to get built anywhere in London and is a bit of a daming indictment on those development areas that have stalled.
judging from those hoardings they really are banking on crossrail! But yes it all looks like an exciting transformation for Woolwich compared to say the 10 year delay at Greenwich Peninsular. It would even make me want to visit once Crossrail is open.
 

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Crossrail does make a huge difference. Currently the train ride alone to Oxford St. is around 40mins with 2-3 changes. According to the crossrail website that goes down to 19mins, and is obviously direct. Currently it takes 25mins on the central line from much closer Ealing Broadway. Even using the heathrow express, someone from Woolwich needs to spend 70min on 4 different trains and a long transfer at paddington to get to that airport.

It also opens up areas that would have taken too long/too annoying to get to, such as parts of west London. The general sense of isolation you feel around there declines.
 

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There's only 1 change required for Oxford Street:

- Route 1: Woolwich Arsenal → change at Charing Cross → Oxford Circus or TCR

- Route 2: Woolwich Arsenal → change at London Bridge → Bond Street

- Route 3: Woolwich Arsenal → change at Bank → TCR, Oxford Circus, Bond Street or Marble Arch
 

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Very true, although changing for the Jubilee Line at Canning Town or Central Line at Stratford is an unnecessarily long method.
 

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Crossrail does make a huge difference. Currently the train ride alone to Oxford St. is around 40mins with 2-3 changes. According to the crossrail website that goes down to 19mins, and is obviously direct. Currently it takes 25mins on the central line from much closer Ealing Broadway. Even using the heathrow express, someone from Woolwich needs to spend 70min on 4 different trains and a long transfer at paddington to get to that airport.

It also opens up areas that would have taken too long/too annoying to get to, such as parts of west London. The general sense of isolation you feel around there declines.
You can pretty much pick any 2 places in London and say point A is badly connected because it's so far from point B.

However, Woolwich to City Airport is great. And Woolwich to Gatwick and Stansted isn't too bad either. Likewise Woolwich to Canary Wharf - which I wouldn't be surprised if that's where most of the people moving into the area are based.

There's always been a bit of an idea that South East London has crap public transport links because it's not on the underground. Trains in the area run almost as good a service as the tube and have good connections to the tube at London Bridge, Waterloo East/Southwark and Charing Cross.

I would suspect there's also a lot of property speculators buying up places at Woolwich Arsenal as well. Once Crossrail is opened then there will be a spike in house prices in this area.

And anyway, I think it looks like a nice, interesting, place to live. I'd probably move there if I could afford it.
 

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Yes but it's not the point of picking 'any 2 places', it's specifically highlighting areas that hold the city's greatest concentration of employment and, for want of a better word, 'commerce'. Having direct, quick and reliable links to - and crucial through - central London is vastly more important than the equivalent to any local centre. Heathrow is also more of an attraction than City Airport. Crossrail helps in that regard.

SE doesn't have poor transport purely because it's not on the tube (that's a factor), it's largely because coverage and capacity are inadequate and the road network dire. Most locals complain.
 

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SE London doesn't have good transport because:

  • links across the Thames are dire

  • it has a much 'smaller' road network

  • Southeastern trains have nowhere near the capacity or frequency of underground lines

  • you can't travel across town by train

  • Southeastern trains are more susceptible to changing weather conditions (3rd rail technology)

  • No cycle hire here, as opposed to inner east, west and north London
 

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Great thread SE9. I explored the Woolwich site yesterday, saw the models in the Berkeley showroom, and understand how it fits together. Phases 4 and 6 are considerably denser than previous phases. It's impressive that phase 6 alone contains more flats than the entire Barbican complex. This is precisely the kind of volume housebuilding we need to see more of in London.
 
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